Capel over signing?

[htownSOONER]

IMHO, if Capel is going to survive this crap of a season then he will need to over sign some a plus recruits and get rid of not so good current players. With 1 or 2 ships for next year the same crap will be on the floor next year.

Does he have the fire in his belly to over sign and send some players packing?

 

[CMSOONER]

IMHO, if Capel is going to survive this crap of a season then he will need to over sign some a plus recruits and get rid of not so good current players. With 1 or 2 ships for next year the same crap will be on the floor next year.

Does he have the fire in his belly to over sign and send some players packing?

If he makes a name foe himself as a coach that will cut kids schollys, no kids are going to want to sign with OU. Even the highest rated kids are self conscious of their game. Cutting kids would not be a good idea.

 

[Max Power]

If he makes a name foe himself as a coach that will cut kids schollys, no kids are going to want to sign with OU. Even the highest rated kids are self conscious of their game. Cutting kids would not be a good idea.

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[Oscar Uniform]

Oversigning has worked wonders for Travis Ford at OSU. If he only signed within his limits, OSU would still suck. He signs many many young men. The busts must leave. The contributors may stay. He takes a lot of shots and scores on a few of them. Ethical? No. Effective? Yes.

 

[Sooner_In_MI]

If he makes a name foe himself as a coach that will cut kids schollys, no kids are going to want to sign with OU. Even the highest rated kids are self conscious of their game. Cutting kids would not be a good idea.

Sincerely, John Calipari...oh wait

 

[StatGeek]

If he makes a name foe himself as a coach that will cut kids schollys, no kids are going to want to sign with OU. Even the highest rated kids are self conscious of their game. Cutting kids would not be a good idea.

Can anyone cite a coach who was tagged with this label, and subsequently suffered the consequences? Just curious.

 

[Riseandfire10]

The only way to get some quality players in the program is to get rid of some guys who didn't deserve scholarships. I don't know if it's the right thing to do but for OU to be competitive it needs to be done.

 

[jerry]

The only way to get some quality players in the program is to get rid of some guys who didn't deserve scholarships. I don't know if it's the right thing to do but for OU to be competitive it needs to be done.

You are right. In our situation there is no way around it.

 

[ByronHoustonsSweatyPalms]

Oversigning has worked wonders for Travis Ford at OSU. If he only signed within his limits, OSU would still suck. He signs many many young men. The busts must leave. The contributors may stay. He takes a lot of shots and scores on a few of them. Ethical? No. Effective? Yes.

Technically it's not oversigning and it can;t be unethical if that the way the rules read. Is it unethical to drive the speed limit?

Scholarships are one year commitments by both the players and the coaches.

 

[Seymore Cox]

IMHO, if Capel is going to survive this crap of a season then he will need to over sign some a plus recruits and get rid of not so good current players. With 1 or 2 ships for next year the same crap will be on the floor next year.

Does he have the fire in his belly to over sign and send some players packing?

Well, he sent guys packing last year and oversigned. The issue is if the talent is out there. I don't see a player on the recruiting landscape that you can say will turn this thing around. ABD list of a tons of juco players every year that are suppose to be so great, and they go on to whatever school and you don't hear from them again, ala Jarrid Famous, Kendall Durant, Khalil McDonald, etc. We can't use that philosophy of signing someone just because he scored some points in juco or prep school.

I'm of the belief that we need to get people capable. EdmondSooner touched on it when he brought up the dunk thread. We have to have people capable of dunking in traffic, rebounding over the rim, contesting shots at rim level, knocking down contested 3pt shots, etc. We don't have that on this team. I don't see those guys in the recruiting landscape either. Not saying they aren't there, I just haven't seen them. The last two recruiting updates are guys I would like to sign. A guy that can breakdown the defense and handle a press and a guy who's an above the rim rebounder and shot contester. Don't know are chances on either one of those guys, but I they have what we need. Those two to go along with some guys instate like maybe a Brandon Lucas, Raney, or Richardson would be ideal for me.

So I'm looking at three guys. That means that two guys would have to go packing and those guys would be Blair and Hardrick in my opinion.

 

[Edmond_Sooner]

I hope he oversigns, but i really only see 1 guy that is just so bad he doesnt deserve to come back...Hardrick

Therefore it will be a tough decision for him to push someone else out the door because from all accounts the rest of the guys seem to be pretty solid as far as attitude and at least bring a little to the table playing wise...

To survive in this landscape of college basketball you have to be willing to oversign, there is a reason scholarships are only 1 yr contracts...plus, every program is going to have some attrition...good and bad (we've had our fare share and some though)

 

[campbest]

I hope he oversigns, but i really only see 1 guy that is just so bad he doesnt deserve to come back...Hardrick

My opinion as well.

Also agree with DM, there just not that many game changers available in the market right now.

 

[bgrch1350]

Hardrick is the only player on the roster that will never play any meaningful minutes. He's gone after this year. I place a guarantee stamp on it. Even if we don't oversign...He's still gone b/c his scholarship can just go to Honore who actually gets some minutes.

 

[Oscar Uniform]

Technically it's not oversigning and it can;t be unethical if that the way the rules read.

You digress. What did you call it when Ford received more signed LOIs than he had open scholarships? Whatever the term for that is would be the subject of this thread, but you already knew that. My post isn't an attack on Ford as most posters including myself are advocating doing exactly what he is doing. You can call it whatever you want.

 

[cowboysooner]

There is no pat answer on over-signing or taking a kids scholarship. Schollie are one year deals. I know for a fact that coaches often, at least when confronted by the recruit, verbally address and in some instances make promises regarding whether they reserve the right to pull the schollie.

For example, I know a particular kid that addressed the issue with two different coaches recruiting him. One coach said he would agree ((handshake) to never pulling his scholarship and the other coach made it clear that an evaluation would be conducted after each season and he wouldn't make any such promise.

In other words, I think whether revoking or not renewing scholarships is proper depends on what has been said and promised. If it hasn't been addressed, then maybe it is a grey area subject to differing opinions regarding right or wrong.

Usually, it isn't a problem, because if a kid can't play at a school, the coach and kid will reach an agreement on that and they agree it is in everyone's best interest for the kid to move on (usually to lesser competition). This very thing happened to my nephew. New coach told him he wasn't going to play and that he would be wasting his career away at the school and they agreed the school would release him and he would move on. It doesn't have to advaserial.

 

[campbest]

As long as it is discussed and the kid is made aware he will never play for the school, then I am ok with it. Furthermore, would like the coach to help the kid land on his feet somewhere more appropriate...which isn't too hard because coaching is one big fraternity.

One thing that always gets lost in this conversation regarding schollies, especially in programs who are in jeopardy of losing their coach, what guarantee is there that the new coach will want to retain a player? Maybe the system won't fit, etc. Personally, I would rather have a discussion with my current coach about PT and have the decision left in my hands, as opposed to a new coach coming along and telling me I won't play...at least I save a year of eligibility.

 

[StatGeek]

Can anyone cite a coach who was tagged with this label, and subsequently suffered the consequences? Just curious.

I guess not, why am I not surprised? I think it's funny that so many people regurgitate the same old arguments against "over signing" but nobody can recall this tactic becoming the basis of a player boycott of a coach/program.