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[sybarite]

That's not what she said! She said, "TT probably had one of the best opening nights of any freshmen we've ever had." There are two important words/phrases that differs from your "interpretation" of what Sherri said. First, probably implies a likelihood, but not necessarily certainty. Second, "one of the best" means that TT is among other company with regard to freshmen debuts.

In short, if you're going to rip someone and use Sherri's words as support, at least be accurate. Thanks.

And, such a dramatic disparity.
Yes, Spock, knowing that Hook would be the starter this year, and knowing the probability that Ortiz would start next year, I made the claim that Edwards would be the best point guard ever at OU based on one game. Certainly. You can go back now and claim that you did, indeed, attack a liberal today.
Euphguy, stay out of it. This is a person who has usually come on the board for one thing.

 

[euphguy]

Just admit it, you were incorrect. I wouldn't have felt compelled to comment had your tone not been so abrasive towards the other person.

 

[sybarite]

Just admit it, you were incorrect. I wouldn't have felt compelled to comment had your tone not been so abrasive towards the other person.

Really? Did you not make this remark?

+1
I don't understand how someone who comes across as somewhat intelligent at times can be so misguided.

Of course, when AustinTxSooner pointed out that I had not made the statement that you accused me of making (or supported the accusation, thereof), where was the admission that you had been incorrect? It appears that you are hardly an unbiased source.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Since I reported her claim and made no claim of any kind, your point?

Let's make certain I understand you correctly. You say you made no claim of any kind. Sir following is a copy of your post of the first half of the first exhibition game on the thread titled "exhibition thoughts". Personally I think your claim which is highlighted below is very specific. I as are you talking out of both sides of your mouth or are denying the claim you made.

Personally I find it confusing when you claim you did not say what you obvious said in your own post. Either you did or you did not. Which is it.

Furthermore you choose to statistically compare Edwards and Robinson TOs to validate your position using Edwards TOs for one game compared to DRob's TOs her senior year. Might it not have been a much more valid comparison to have used DRob's freshmen numbers or were they avoided because she averaged 3.45 TOs not 3.8 while scoring 12.2 points per game. Oh, I forgot. Points don't count when evaluating the best player you get to set the rules for comparison.

Fortunately I again got to watch the Guys play in person and Edwards had a very good game for a freshmen 2 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assist and 4 TOs. Has excellent court vision and can make the no look pass. But she can also force the ball inside to a teammate that double covered and turn the ball over. She shot 1 for 3 from the field with one air ball and another near air ball.

As freshman DRob averaged 12.2 points, 2.9 rebounds, 4.2 assist and 3.45 TOs for 31 games. Much better in my opinion than Edwards 4.0 points, 7 rebounds, 8.0 assist and and 4 TOs in two exhibition games. Let Edwards play 31 regular season games and have a similar stat line and they may be more validity to your argument but those stats against UCO and Cameron mean nothing yet.[/B ] Let her continue to progress and she may be our future at the point but with Ortiz coming in next year that may not be the case either.

Not predicting but Edwards could well be a career backup at the point. Who knows she may become an all time great but all of that is yet to come. For certain it is too early to project now.

A very satisfactory game for a freshman point guard against air for competition but far from the level of the best point we have had as a freshman.

Your post as referenced above:

I'm watching now on soonersports.com.

Did anyone notice that Maddie is sitting between Sherri and Morgan?
Edward gets moving.
As long as we have upperclassmen on the floor, we're pretty solid.
Carter gets around, not completing much yet.
Derica with a nice three on her first shot. Also got a nice reb, then shot.
Good feeds inside on cuts.
So, we didn't offer Edwards until late? She is the best point that we have had as a freshman. She isn't making freshman mistakes. Even DRob made freshman mistakes. Edwards isn't. Stunning performance.
Aaryn has grown up. Lots of confidence.
I'm impressed by the movement and feeds.
Guards seem to have hands everywhere.
Carter with a nice fast break.
Good zone and steal.
Gibbs is a bit of a presence.
The freshmen are impressive. They aren't like freshmen. Halftime

 

[sybarite]

Let's make certain I understand you correctly. You say you made no claim of any kind. Sir following is a copy of your post of the first half of the first exhibition game on the thread titled "exhibition thoughts". Personally I think your claim which is highlighted below is very specific. I as are you talking out of both sides of your mouth or are denying the claim you made.

Personally I find it confusing when you claim you did not say what you obvious said in your own post. Either you did or you did not. Which is it.

Furthermore you choose to statistically compare Edwards and Robinson TOs to validate your position using Edwards TOs for one game compared to DRob's TOs her senior year. Might it not have been a much more valid comparison to have used DRob's freshmen numbers or were they avoided because she averaged 3.45 TOs not 3.8 while scoring 12.2 points per game. Oh, I forgot. Points don't count when evaluating the best player you get to set the rules for comparison.

Fortunately I again got to watch the Guys play in person and Edwards had a very good game for a freshmen 2 points, 7 rebounds, 4 assist and 4 TOs. Has excellent court vision and can make the no look pass. But she can also force the ball inside to a teammate that double covered and turn the ball over. She shot 1 for 3 from the field with one air ball and another near air ball.

As freshman DRob averaged 12.2 points, 2.9 rebounds, 4.2 assist and 3.45 TOs for 31 games. Much better in my opinion than Edwards 4.0 points, 7 rebounds, 8.0 assist and and 4 TOs in two exhibition games. Let Edwards play 31 regular season games and have a similar stat line and they may be more validity to your argument but those stats against UCO and Cameron mean nothing yet.[/B ] Let her continue to progress and she may be our future at the point but with Ortiz coming in next year that may not be the case either.

Not predicting but Edwards could well be a career backup at the point. Who knows she may become an all time great but all of that is yet to come. For certain it is too early to project now.

A very satisfactory game for a freshman point guard against air for competition but far from the level of the best point we have had as a freshman.

Your post as referenced above:

I'm watching now on soonersports.com.

Did anyone notice that Maddie is sitting between Sherri and Morgan?
Edward gets moving.
As long as we have upperclassmen on the floor, we're pretty solid.
Carter gets around, not completing much yet.
Derica with a nice three on her first shot. Also got a nice reb, then shot.
Good feeds inside on cuts.
So, we didn't offer Edwards until late? She is the best point that we have had as a freshman. She isn't making freshman mistakes. Even DRob made freshman mistakes. Edwards isn't. Stunning performance.
Aaryn has grown up. Lots of confidence.
I'm impressed by the movement and feeds.
Guards seem to have hands everywhere.
Carter with a nice fast break.
Good zone and steal.
Gibbs is a bit of a presence.
The freshmen are impressive. They aren't like freshmen. Halftime

I am citing something that was said specifically in post-game comments. We've been through that. I have not made any such claims. The statement pertains to a game, as a freshman in her first game.

It is absurd to claim that I was making a statement that Edwards was the best we had had since she may never start, given her situation between Hook and Ortiz. You just found something out of context and tried to make your usual point with it. I didn't say she would start. Sherri didn't say she would start. The comment was about a specific first game performance.

 

[SoonerSpock]

I am citing something that was said specifically in post-game comments. We've been through that. I have not made any such claims. The statement pertains to a game, as a freshman in her first game.

It is absurd to claim that I was making a statement that Edwards was the best we had hd since she may never start, given her situation between Hook and Ortiz. You just found something out of context and tried to make your usual point with it. I didn't say she would start. Sherri didn't say she would start. The comment was about a specific first game performance.

I cannot speak as to what your intent was I can only read what you said about Edwards "being the best point we have had as a freshman". That is all I took issue with and I merely said such a statement was premature. You instead wanted to deny making the statement until I provided a copy of your post stating same.

Now you say it is absurd for me to claim you made the statement when you actually did make the statement. But if you claim a heart is a spade I am going to call your hand.

It is simple you frequently make false statements misquote other posters comment, frequently mine as well as others. Sometimes I wonder if you comprehend the English language. To me when you state in a post that Edwards is the best point we have had as a freshmen you are saying she is the best point we have had as a freshman. Nothing more, nothing less.

My claim is not absurd as I am not making a claim I am providing evidence of your statement and apparently you are denying it. Be wise and reread your posting on the "exhibition thoughts" thread and tell me that is not what you said.

The absurdity is your making the statement in the first place. Say what you mean, mean what you say as difficult as that may be.

Or better yet admit you made the statement but that was not what you intended. We all frequently do that. But do not deny making the statement in the first place. Yes the Syb is wrong, again.

 

[sybarite]

Let me tell you how absurd this is. I tend to make a running commentary during a game. The commentary is typed a fast as I can type and still be able to watch the action. Sometimes, the commentary is mine. Sometimes, I simply write down something that is said on TV. It is a rapid-fire commentary because not everyone has access to the premium channel or to live TV of the game. I've done this for several years.

You find a comment and with your typical hatred thought you could make your point. I know nothing about basketball. It makes no difference whether I am citing Billy Tubbs, Sherri Coale, or myself, you are ready to attack, just as you always have been.

Frankly, I don't remember exactly what was said and when. I remember Sherri saying in the post-game show that I had already seen prior to watching the game that it was the best performance by a freshman point guard she had had (or, as someone claims, one of the best). Tubbs was also singing her praises as being a brilliant passer far beyond expectations and her years in being able to read the floor and find the open man. Now, I may have been citing what one of them had said, or I might have thought this was the best performance in the first game that I had ever seen by a freshman point, which it definitely was.

I also knew that Sherri had stated that Morgan would be the starter, and that we had Ortiz coming in. But, what I saw was a tremendous performance by a freshman OU guard that was the best that I can remember seeing in the first game, or even the first few games, especially when it came to controlling the floor.

Now, you can take that and spin it any way that you wish. I stand by that. Now, I hope that you have impressed someone with all of this because I can assure you that you will never impress me in any capacity. I find it curious that your vendetta drives you after all these years to visit once in a while just to launch an attack. I hope that you or others are pleased. I just find it curious.

 

[Mutron76]

I am very impressed with her. She is quicker than I had expected and really seems to be in the right place at the right time. Also her passing was very good. I expect to see her in the rotation when we get to Big 12 games.

I am as well. She carries herself well and plays loose. What is your gut telling you on on how deep Sherri goes once conference settles in assuming we have no more injury setbacks.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Let me tell you how absurd this is. I tend to make a running commentary during a game. The commentary is typed a fast as I can type and still be able to watch the action. Sometimes, the commentary is mine. Sometimes, I simply write down something that is said on TV. It is a rapid-fire commentary because not everyone has access to the premium channel or to live TV of the game. I've done this for several years.

You find a comment and with your typical hatred thought you could make your point. I know nothing about basketball. It makes no difference whether I am citing Billy Tubbs, Sherri Coale, or myself, you are ready to attack, just as you always have been.

Frankly, I don't remember exactly what was said and when. I remember Sherri saying in the post-game show that I had already seen prior to watching the game that it was the best performance by a freshman point guard she had had (or, as someone claims, one of the best). Tubbs was also singing her praises as being a brilliant passer far beyond expectations and her years in being able to read the floor and find the open man. Now, I may have been citing what one of them had said, or I might have thought this was the best performance in the first game that I had ever seen by a freshman point, which it definitely was.

I also knew that Sherri had stated that Morgan would be the starter, and that we had Ortiz coming in. But, what I saw was a tremendous performance by a freshman OU guard that was the best that I can remember seeing in the first game, or even the first few games, especially when it came to controlling the floor.

Now, you can take that and spin it any way that you wish. I stand by that. Now, I hope that you have impressed someone with all of this because I can assure you that you will never impress me in any capacity. I find it curious that your vendetta drives you after all these years to visit once in a while just to launch an attack. I hope that you or others are pleased. I just find it curious.

I concur with the statement above except that it was not absurd for me to question you made regardless of circumstances. Your statement above make all the sense in the world and had you made it initially instead of denials and attacks at me none of this would have occurred. Instead you attempted to justify your error instead of explain it. It is that arrogance that I take issue with. I just want candid truthfulness without your spin of: I didn't say what I said it is absurd to think I did.

I fully understand how running commentary can result in something being said that is not meant to be said but unless you clarify your intent when questioned about it I have to accept that you meant what you said.

No hidden agenda just a desire for accuracy in statements. Hey I think highly of Edwards too. Fundamentally strong although I think she does not shoot real well and is still a freshman that forces some passes. Experience will/should address most of that.