Cj noland portal

[red recluse]

good luck, cj. be your own.

 

[rickjames]

Inside info or just speculating?

Reported by a staff at OUInsider. He seemed pretty confident about that.

 

[BCSooners]

Frustrated as a freshmen? Wasn’t he all conf freshmen?

Have to put in the work.

Houston s&c coach is a great twitter follow. Love his before and after, test result pics etc…

Yep & played less than he did this year. Just remember there was serious talk of him leaving because of being frustrated with a short leash, inconsistent minutes, & obviously parental complaints.

I’m just glad he at least gave it 2 years before he transferred.

 

[Boom Soon]

We get it. Not a Porter fan.

Can you refrain from high jacketing all threads? Just pick one or start a new and stay there.

In an effort to not hijack this thread I won't defend myself here. But I will post where I want to unless I get banned. I don't think anything I've said is unreasonable. I'm not a fan of Porter Moser, but all my posts have to do with the topic.

Feel free to PM for further discussion.

 

[Boom Soon]

Man.

My only point on Bijan was...mid major starter/contributor vs being (probably) locked in as a career backup at OU. That's his dilemma IMO. Tough decision.

I agree it's a tough decision. But, I think he would be more prone to staying if OU finished with a winning record and was in the tournament right now, as opposed to sitting at home. It's just easier to be a backup on a winning basketball team. Unfortunately, that was not what OU was this year.

 

[TEvans4Three]

In an effort to not hijack this thread I won't defend myself here. But I will post where I want to unless I get banned. I don't think anything I've said is unreasonable. I'm not a fan of Porter Moser, but all my posts have to do with the topic.

Feel free to PM for further discussion.

I didn't think it was unreasonable and actually see your point.

However, when I was playing...I got to experience 3 different versions.

Backup on a great team (soccer, but still counts - the starter played overseas and in the MLS, so eh)
Backup on a s***y team (benched on a 2-17 team for a crappier PG, was annoying)
Star for a mediocre/meh team (twice) (just JanSporting games as the lead scorer, but a drop in competition in one case)

Out of all of those, I much preferred being the star and carrying the team. Sure, it is nice to see the team winning, but as a competitor and wanting to show your off your chops, it really is nice to be the "go-to" unless you think you can out in the work and really EARN it. Everyone is different though.

 

[Boom Soon]

I didn't think it was unreasonable and actually see your point.

However, when I was playing...I got to experience 3 different versions.

Backup on a great team (soccer, but still counts - the starter played overseas and in the MLS, so eh)
Backup on a s***y team (benched on a 2-17 team for a crappier PG, was annoying)
Star for a mediocre/meh team (twice) (just JanSporting games as the lead scorer, but a drop in competition in one case)

Out of all of those, I much preferred being the star and carrying the team. Sure, it is nice to see the team winning, but as a competitor and wanting to show your off your chops, it really is nice to be the "go-to" unless you think you can out in the work and really EARN it. Everyone is different though.

Thank you for sharing your experiences! If Cortes wanted to drop down in competition to play more and maybe score more I certainly wouldn't blame him. It would suck as for the fans, but he's gotta do what he thinks is best.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I didn't think it was unreasonable and actually see your point.

However, when I was playing...I got to experience 3 different versions.

Backup on a great team (soccer, but still counts - the starter played overseas and in the MLS, so eh)
Backup on a s***y team (benched on a 2-17 team for a crappier PG, was annoying)
Star for a mediocre/meh team (twice) (just JanSporting games as the lead scorer, but a drop in competition in one case)

Out of all of those, I much preferred being the star and carrying the team. Sure, it is nice to see the team winning, but as a competitor and wanting to show your off your chops, it really is nice to be the "go-to" unless you think you can out in the work and really EARN it. Everyone is different though.

of course the difference is that in basketball you have option 4 which you didn't have play a bunch in the rotation at multi positions and help a team win

 

[TEvans4Three]

of course the difference is that in basketball you have option 4 which you didn't have play a bunch in the rotation at multi positions and help a team win

Lol thanks Boulder

I was "fortunate" enough to be gifted the natural ability of a sub-6 ft frame, so PG or SG and I hated playing SG. So clearly not a good team player lol

I actually trained with Terry Evans and we had some good debates about guard play a lot. Maybe that is why I preferred coaching/training big men, bc I could deal with them better than a SG who was lazy.

But you are right, being multi-tool gets you that playing time as you have to adapt.

(sorry to hijack a CJ thread)

 

[BoulderSooner]

Lol thanks Boulder

I was "fortunate" enough to be gifted the natural ability of a sub-6 ft frame, so PG or SG and I hated playing SG. So clearly not a good team player lol

I actually trained with Terry Evans and we had some good debates about guard play a lot. Maybe that is why I preferred coaching/training big men, bc I could deal with them better than a SG who was lazy.

But you are right, being multi-tool gets you that playing time as you have to adapt.

(sorry to hijack a CJ thread)

did i misunderstand? i thought your examples were all about playing soccer??

if so i apologize. and i am far from a soccer expert but don't backups in soccer not generally play all that much??

 

[TEvans4Three]

did i misunderstand? i thought your examples were all about playing soccer??

if so i apologize. and i am far from a soccer expert but don't backups in soccer not generally play all that much??

Just the first example was about soccer...all others were basketball. I dont know that I was ever on a "great" basketball team.

Soccer, in the club/competitive/HS ranks are very much unlimited subs. So the idea as a striker you can sprint out of your mind, get a breather for a few minutes, then come back in. Professionally they are limited with substitutions.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Just the first example was about soccer...all others were basketball. I dont know that I was ever on a "great" basketball team.

Soccer, in the club/competitive/HS ranks are very much unlimited subs. So the idea as a striker you can sprint out of your mind, get a breather for a few minutes, then come back in. Professionally they are limited with substitutions.

cool i didn't know that about soccer at other levels .. that seems like a better rule ..

 

[Soonerguy06]

With having to reload the roster every single season it seems like PM will win some, lose some and then rinse and repeat, hoping the good ones stay. That will make it incredibly hard to create consistency, BUT a lot of other coaches are succeeding where he's clearly flailing. I hope we can get upgrades, but we thought we did this past season, so no matter who we bring in I'll always have my reservations until I see success. Fingers crossed he earns he pay check this off season!

 

[WTSooner]

With having to reload the roster every single season it seems like PM will win some, lose some and then rinse and repeat, hoping the good ones stay. That will make it incredibly hard to create consistency, BUT a lot of other coaches are succeeding where he's clearly flailing. I hope we can get upgrades, but we thought we did this past season, so no matter who we bring in I'll always have my reservations until I see success. Fingers crossed he earns he pay check this off season!

I'm torn. Moser has been recruiting HS pretty well, but I don't know (think?) what he has done is sustainable, and he hasn't shown he can pull in big men yet.

That said, he also hasn't recruited the Portal overly well, and I get it, it sometimes takes NIL to get the big fish. With Moser's system, it isn't going to make a lot of sense to consistently pull in one year guys. That is why HS recruiting and finding multi-year transfers is key.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Kids in the portal …IMHO, want to move UP and win. We have not shown in two years that that is where OU is heading.

Unless the ncaa shuts it down to you get 1 time, I don’t see OU attract top talent.. even from smaller schools.

We’ll see.

 

[Abe]

For what it is worth they( On3 transfer portal) show Noland as $30,000 nil value on line. Any top person will take $$. J.J. Starling 100,000+.

 

[hoopsaustin]

For what it is worth they( On3 transfer portal) show Noland as $30,000 nil value on line. Any top person will take $$. J.J. Starling 100,000+.

Interesting. Also fwiw, i saw some ridiculous evaluation for some dude that would def be playing for free, so after that, i concluded that this site's numbers are completely made up imo

 

[thebigabd]

Kids in the portal …IMHO, want to move UP and win. We have not shown in two years that that is where OU is heading.

Unless the ncaa shuts it down to you get 1 time, I don’t see OU attract top talent.. even from smaller schools.

We’ll see.

This will be something to observe for sure... Now that the sport has turned into immediate gratification, if you aren't good, how bad does that hurt you vs your peers year over year? Is 1-2 bad years now a lot more damaging than it was previously?

 

[CoachTalk]

For what it is worth they( On3 transfer portal) show Noland as $30,000 nil value on line. Any top person will take $$. J.J. Starling 100,000+.

Lol.

 

[Soonerinkc]

This will be something to observe for sure... Now that the sport has turned into immediate gratification, if you aren't good, how bad does that hurt you vs your peers year over year? Is 1-2 bad years now a lot more damaging than it was previously?

Yup… especially since a lot of portal guys are 1-2 years… my guess is they won’t want to be part of a “building” process… which it seems that is what OU is in right now.

Getting guys that are good … wanting too move “up”… they want to be on established teams so they get more exposure for a future playing career.