College Athletes are Employees

These kids aren't out for money first. Nothing about unionization implies giving these guys more money. It's about representation first, and something "student athletes" need.

Even if they are deemed as employees, scholarships wouldn't necessarily be considered as income or taxable. Income has nothing to do with whether it is received as an employee or not. They are unrelated concepts.
 
allday92 said:
These kids aren't out for money first. Nothing about unionization implies giving these guys more money. It's about representation first, and something "student athletes" need.



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Oh please. It's about money.

So can the non athletes at a private university form their own union too. You know, for representation.


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SoonerBounce13 said:
Oh please. It's about money.

So can the non athletes at a private university form their own union too. You know, for representation.


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I thought OU already had a student union. :D
 
SoonerBounce13 said:
Oh please. It's about money.

So can the non athletes at a private university form their own union too. You know, for representation.


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I never said its not about the money, its about representation first. If you read a lot about what student athletes and individuals who are defending kids are asking for, they are asking for health insurance benefits beyond college, sharing in merchandise sales and grad school stipends. The only reason money is being brought up is cause the NCAA makes so much money at the expense of these kids without their knowing. Until a couple of months ago you could go to the NCAA website and search "Johnny Manziel" and his gear would show up. If Manziel is really an amateur, the search result should have brought up nothing.

Non-athletes already do get representation at campus. Their a clubs, committees, councils, student governments etc. that give students a voice. But a club doesn't do much for "student athletes" against a billion dollar organization like the NCAA.
 
allday92 said:
I never said its not about the money, its about representation first. If you read a lot about what student athletes and individuals who are defending kids are asking for, they are asking for health insurance benefits beyond college, sharing in merchandise sales and grad school stipends. The only reason money is being brought up is cause the NCAA makes so much money at the expense of these kids without their knowing. Until a couple of months ago you could go to the NCAA website and search "Johnny Manziel" and his gear would show up. If Manziel is really an amateur, the search result should have brought up nothing.



Non-athletes already do get representation at campus. Their a clubs, committees, councils, student governments etc. that give students a voice. But a club doesn't do much for "student athletes" against a billion dollar organization like the NCAA.
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Lol so it's about money. Got it


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allday92 said:
Actually, no you didn't. You may want to do some more research before you argue without warrants.
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Look at your post. The reasons you posted all boil down to monetary reasons.

In just sick and tired of these student athletes acting like how they are victims. For christs sake. Give me a break. It's not like they are forced to play. They know what they are getting into. It's a freaking choice.

Just think about how idiotic this really is. A kid makes a choice to go play football for an institution AnD gets a free education and they want to say this is work and they are employees? Spoiled ass idiots


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allday92 said:
Actually, no you didn't. You may want to do some more research before you argue without warrants.
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Lol can't stop laughing at this. You didn't mention one reason that wasn't about money


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SoonerBounce13 said:
Lol can't stop laughing at this. You didn't mention one reason that wasn't about money


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While I agree with you that it is mostly about money. I do think getting guaranteed health care for sports related injuries is a reasonable request. Schools shouldn't need unions to force them to do that though.
 
MNsooner said:
While I agree with you that it is mostly about money. I do think getting guaranteed health care for sports related injuries is a reasonable request. Schools shouldn't need unions to force them to do that though.
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Well will take care if them right....


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SoonerBounce13 said:
Look at your post. The reasons you posted all boil down to monetary reasons.

In just sick and tired of these student athletes acting like how they are victims. For christs sake. Give me a break. It's not like they are forced to play. They know what they are getting into. It's a freaking choice.

Just think about how idiotic this really is. A kid makes a choice to go play football for an institution AnD gets a free education and they want to say this is work and they are employees? Spoiled ass idiots


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Free Education? The education that certain student athletes get is a joke. They are pushed into taking easy classes so schools meet their APR requirements. The APR is a big joke, all it is a is a graduation rate not if the student actually learned anything. At OU, football players are advised to major in Multi-disciplinary studies which is a major that means nothing in the real world.

The kids at Northwestern said during the season they spend 40-50 hours doing football related work. That's a job. Im sure its much more at a school like OU, Bama, Florida etc.

You're right, it is a choice. But these students don't even get to make choices over their own name and likeness. The NCAA gets to use that to their own benefit. And for a lot of kids it's not like they have a choice. Especially if they have NFL aspirations - you have to play college football.

The real "spoiled ass idiots" are AD's and Commissioners who have bonuses in their contracts based on how a certain "student athlete" performs in a tournament. Like the Ohio St. AD who made 18k, cause a wrestler won an NCAA championship. You can't push for rules of amateurism and then receive a bonus based on performance.

I'm not saying these kids need a stipend or just straight cash, but they need a seat at the table. Right now, the system is broken and if you think its fine, you're sorrily mistaken.
 
Don't fall for the line that says the institutions - either the conference or the NCAA - can be trusted to watch out for the needs of the players.

Think about all the concussion issues. I believe the Big-12 is setting itself up for a massive problem. I do not believe they are very serious about protecting players. At times this year players were injured enough to have to sit out for weeks - in sports from football to women's basketball - with no punishment to the instigator. Time and again it was overruled in the booth - with no complaint from the league office in the days that followed. Baylor was one of the main programs dealing out the dangerous hits. Think about that hit on our receiver. They claimed he was hit in the body when the hit was AT LEAST partially above the shoulders. You don't have a several week concussion when you are hit in the chest area. It is going to take a loss of huge financial amounts for them to ever clean that stuff up correctly.

Or consider a few years back when Johanna McFarland had her jaw broken so she had to miss several games then wear a head mask the rest of the year. The official (how bad do you have to be to get tossed as an official) claimed there was no contact - not even a foul. Obviously absurd.

I do not favor unionizing players. But something must be done to bring pressure on the institutions to protect the players. There are plenty of ways to do that. The question is why does it not happen?
 
allday92 said:
Free Education? The education that certain student athletes get is a joke. They are pushed into taking easy classes so schools meet their APR requirements. The APR is a big joke, all it is a is a graduation rate not if the student actually learned anything. At OU, football players are advised to major in Multi-disciplinary studies which is a major that means nothing in the real world.



The kids at Northwestern said during the season they spend 40-50 hours doing football related work. That's a job. Im sure its much more at a school like OU, Bama, Florida etc.



You're right, it is a choice. But these students don't even get to make choices over their own name and likeness. The NCAA gets to use that to their own benefit. And for a lot of kids it's not like they have a choice. Especially if they have NFL aspirations - you have to play college football.



The real "spoiled ass idiots" are AD's and Commissioners who have bonuses in their contracts based on how a certain "student athlete" performs in a tournament. Like the Ohio St. AD who made 18k, cause a wrestler won an NCAA championship. You can't push for rules of amateurism and then receive a bonus based on performance.



I'm not saying these kids need a stipend or just straight cash, but they need a seat at the table. Right now, the system is broken and if you think its fine, you're sorrily mistaken.
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Oh wow. Where to begin. One, they are pushed into easy majors if they don't care what they take. Ikard is a perfect example. He actually cared about an education. If a player comes in and tells an advisor that they don't care they just want to play football, of course they are going to put them in an easy major.

And btw, multi disciplinary studies is only useless if you make it useless.

You know what else is funny? That player that was on the real sports report seemed to be doing ok with his mds degree, seeing how he was 25 and was drivin a new 35k dollar car.

Just face it. It's the generation of entitles kids that want wan want and won't take responsibility for their own decisions.


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Sweetest OU Girl said:
Don't fall for the line that says the institutions - either the conference or the NCAA - can be trusted to watch out for the needs of the players.



Think about all the concussion issues. I believe the Big-12 is setting itself up for a massive problem. I do not believe they are very serious about protecting players. At times this year players were injured enough to have to sit out for weeks - in sports from football to women's basketball - with no punishment to the instigator. Time and again it was overruled in the booth - with no complaint from the league office in the days that followed. Baylor was one of the main programs dealing out the dangerous hits. Think about that hit on our receiver. They claimed he was hit in the body when the hit was AT LEAST partially above the shoulders. You don't have a several week concussion when you are hit in the chest area. It is going to take a loss of huge financial amounts for them to ever clean that stuff up correctly.



Or consider a few years back when Johanna McFarland had her jaw broken so she had to miss several games then wear a head mask the rest of the year. The official (how bad do you have to be to get tossed as an official) claimed there was no contact - not even a foul. Obviously absurd.



I do not favor unionizing players. But something must be done to bring pressure on the institutions to protect the players. There are plenty of ways to do that. The question is why does it not happen?
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It's contact sports. Sh!t happens. The players know this going in


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Sometime, just for amusement, go back and trace the development of the NCAA and what its priorities has been. If College A had never stolen that ringer from College B that played for B on Saturday and A on Sunday, there never would have been an NCAA. The development of the NCAA has been about one thing---the protection of its members authority over the game, primarily for profit.

At first, players weren't even required to be students. Then, they required that they be enrolled. Eventually, they required that they actually attend and pass classes. But, even then, there was no requirement for progress toward a degree. Only recently has the NCAA actually required that there be some legitimate attempt to graduate a specific percentage of athletes. During all of this, the expressed purpose of the NCAA was to protect the student-athlete. And, I own several plots of land on the Planet Xenon...

This court, at this time, will probably strike down any attempt by student-athletes to have any control. I am almost certain that we will see this become effective in the semi-near future. This is simply another step in the development of sports: like requiring that football players attend class, granting free agency, etc.---all of which were destined to destroy sports. It will happen. The question is when and under what circumstances. When they do grant some control to the athletes, the colleges will still make a profit and retain most of the control.

I will be amused if the decisions that a recruit makes involve where he gets the best benefits or disability protection.
 
MNsooner said:
While I agree with you that it is mostly about money. I do think getting guaranteed health care for sports related injuries is a reasonable request. Schools shouldn't need unions to force them to do that though.
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These athletes have acces to the best training equipment and medical care and don't pay a dime. Have yet to see a school dump a player because they couldn't pay for a doctor or surgery.

Where does it end? Is every athlete at every level owed money, health insurance, etc...?
 
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