Denny Announces Moser Staying

[SunshinePumper]

Same concept. Half the fan base wanted him gone before this year. They decided to spend more money on players and coaches.

2 7/6 win seasons.
Post season will n football is guaranteed. We could’ve been nit crown cbi in past years

Cheaper to spend money on players than for him.

Cheaper to buy him 3-4mil more in players than 7-8mil in buyouts. (Assts have them as well)

Two 6-6 seasons and people are pleased with that as opposed to basketball? Same difference to me lol

 

[TINY]

Uh... you know what else is there? The expectations. In what world would it be acceptable for OU to go 4 out of 5 years without making the playoff in football (which is much more difficult than qualifying for March Madness)? The football job places the weight of the world on the shoulders of those at the top. And while I don't disagree on making a postseason bowl in football being easier than making the tourney in basketball, making the tourney also isn't difficult. I mean, 20% of the entire sport gets into the NCAA tournament.

The level we keep reaching here to defend Moser's inability to meet basic requirements is becoming a bit frightening. No one that is defending him is able to point to any hard evidence from his time here or elsewhere to support that things will get better other than "we need more support". Do you think places like Utah State, Santa Clara, Saint Louis, VCU, South Florida, or New Mexico have more resources than we do? There are definitely teams and coaches out there doing more with less. The argument isn't that we SHOULDN'T put more money into the program, it's that Moser shouldn't be the one at the top to oversee things.

BV has not come close to meeting the expectations of OU football. In the traditional 4 team playoff format, BV would be O for, also. The expectation at OU for football is to make the 12-team playoff every year and win it all every 10-15 years. Two 6-7 (pause) seasons at OU in football is multiples worse than being the last team out of the ncaa tournament in hoops. Last season was the only season so far that BV has met expectations. My position is that both men’s coaches in the revenue sports have much left to prove.

 

[WTSooner]

BV has not come close to meeting the expectations of OU football. In the traditional 4 team playoff format, BV would be O for, also. The expectation at OU for football is to make the 12-team playoff every year and win it all every 10-15 years. Two 6-7 (pause) seasons at OU in football is multiples worse than being the last team out of the ncaa tournament in hoops. Last season was the only season so far that BV has met expectations.

Big rebuild/retool after Riley left.
Move to the SEC.
Loss of funds/money from move to the SEC.
OU being cautious on NIL until it settled some, which coincided with BV coming to OU.
An unusual amount of injuries, especially to QB's.
One historically bad season on offense (BV takes some blame there, but sometimes sh*t happens).
And let's not forget, for the better part of two seasons he was supporting his wife as she battled cancer.

I'm willing to look thru the actual results, see there was a little bad luck, some easy fixes, and some horrendous outside factors, and give the man some grace.

But that's just me.

BV - He has to keep doing it, but we saw what he can do last year.
Moser - We haven't seen anything yet.

My guess? BV is here a while and does great things, even if that doesn't result in a NC. And Moser has another 1-2 bad years and is finally removed from OU like should have already been done.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Big rebuild/retool after Riley left.
Move to the SEC.
Loss of funds/money from move to the SEC.
OU being cautious on NIL until it settled some, which coincided with BV coming to OU.
An unusual amount of injuries, especially to QB's.
One historically bad season on offense (BV takes some blame there, but sometimes sh*t happens).
And let's not forget, for the better part of two seasons he was supporting his wife as she battled cancer.

I'm willing to look thru the actual results, see there was a little bad luck, some easy fixes, and some horrendous outside factors, and give the man some grace.

But that's just me.

BV - He has to keep doing it, but we saw what he can do last year.
Moser - We haven't seen anything yet.

My guess? BV is here a while and does great things, even if that doesn't result in a NC. And Moser has another 1-2 bad years and is finally removed from OU like should have already been done.

and BV also has a long track record of being a GREAT coach on at least 1 side of the ball .

 

[hoopsaustin]

BV has not come close to meeting the expectations of OU football. In the traditional 4 team playoff format, BV would be O for, also. The expectation at OU for football is to make the 12-team playoff every year and win it all every 10-15 years. Two 6-7 (pause) seasons at OU in football is multiples worse than being the last team out of the ncaa tournament in hoops. Last season was the only season so far that BV has met expectations. My position is that both men’s coaches in the revenue sports have much left to prove.

This is absolutely true and the correct take. BV is still on the hot seat too, or he should be. Hes still another disaster OC hire/retaining or Mateer bust away from a flaming seat himself

 

[BoulderSooner]

This is absolutely true and the correct take. BV is still on the hot seat too, or he should be. Hes still another disaster OC hire/retaining or Mateer bust away from a flaming seat himself

i don't think he is on the "hot seat" per say coming off a playoff ..

.. but he is one year away from it being hot again ..

 

[TINY]

Big rebuild/retool after Riley left.
Move to the SEC.
Loss of funds/money from move to the SEC.
OU being cautious on NIL until it settled some, which coincided with BV coming to OU.
An unusual amount of injuries, especially to QB's.
One historically bad season on offense (BV takes some blame there, but sometimes sh*t happens).
And let's not forget, for the better part of two seasons he was supporting his wife as she battled cancer.

I'm willing to look thru the actual results, see there was a little bad luck, some easy fixes, and some horrendous outside factors, and give the man some grace.

But that's just me.

BV - He has to keep doing it, but we saw what he can do last year.
Moser - We haven't seen anything yet.

My guess? BV is here a while and does great things, even if that doesn't result in a NC. And Moser has another 1-2 bad years and is finally removed from OU like should have already been done.

I think BV has the program trending up (mostly due to the addition of Jim Nagy), but we need to hold him accountable just like Moser needs to be held accountable. Excuse season is over for both.

 

[cbertus6]

Two 6-6 seasons and people are pleased with that as opposed to basketball? Same difference to me lol

Season 1: Recovery season post-Riley where he inherited one of the worst P5 defenses in the country and quite literally no QBs (6-6)
Season 2: Built some momentum, defense shows improvement, get some stability on the offensive side, show progress (10-2)
Season 3: Much improved defense but disaster OC hire and 5 star QB bust (6-6)
Season 4: Correct for season 3 offensive errors and make the playoff playing one of the toughest schedules in the country with wins at Tennessee and at Alabama (10-2)

VS

Season 1: Take over a program in a solid, if-not stale/stagnant state coming off qualifying for 7 of the last 8 NCAA tourneys, miss tourney (19-16, 7-11)
Season 2: Dumpster fire (15-17, 5-13)
Season 3: Last year in the big 12, arguably Moser's most talented team. Tough break missing the tourney as last team out behind Virginia (20-12, 8-10)
Season 4: First season in the SEC, start hot thanks to freshman phenom, fall apart in SEC play. Finally make the tourney and lose first round (20-14, 6-12)
Season 5: Get NIL boost and bring in some solid veteran guards, lay an egg in noncon, 9 game losing streak followed by hot streak at end of season to pull back into consideration. Ultimately fall short in what was seen as the worst bubble in over a decade (per EvanMiya). (19-15, 7-11)

That's the same to you? This goes back to my last post that the expectations of OU football are so intrinsically higher than they are of OU basketball that we almost cannot even compare them. Moser has FAILED. Say what you will about the state of the program, but he walked into a team that had qualified for SEVEN of the last EIGHT tournaments (87.5%) and has proceeded to go 1 for 5 since (20%).

 

[WichitaSooner]

I think BV has the program trending up (mostly due to the addition of Jim Nagy), but we need to hold him accountable just like Moser needs to be held accountable. Excuse season is over for both.

Unless/until he can string multiple good seasons together, he absolutely hasn't proven that he is up to OU standards as a head coach. Half of his seasons have been miles below the standard. Vegas is obviously not perfect (they were off on our win total last season), but they only have us at 7.5 wins right now. And despite how fired up the OU "journalists" are about our offseason, I have not seen any national writers or journalists list us as a portal winner. I suspect we will have some of the same issues on the O-line -- we are an injury or two away from being in trouble there. We didn't recruit over two RBS who should be backups, not starters. Our QB is in the bottom half of our league. And I think our defense may take at least a small step back because we don't seem to have as much quality depth on the line, and LB is also a question in terms of experience.

If Brent continues to alternate good and very bad years, that shouldn't be enough. We all see how quickly the expectations have fallen under Moser. I sure hope that in a few years, we aren't in a position where making an expanded playoff and losing in the first round once every third or fourth year is seen as acceptable, no matter how much some people like Brent.

 

[cbertus6]

Unless/until he can string multiple good seasons together, he absolutely hasn't proven that he is up to OU standards as a head coach. Half of his seasons have been miles below the standard. Vegas is obviously not perfect (they were off on our win total last season), but they only have us at 7.5 wins right now. And despite how fired up the OU "journalists" are about our offseason, I have not seen any national writers or journalists list us as a portal winner. I suspect we will have some of the same issues on the O-line -- we are an injury or two away from being in trouble there. We didn't recruit over two RBS who should be backups, not starters. Our QB is in the bottom half of our league. And I think our defense may take at least a small step back because we don't seem to have as much quality depth on the line, and LB is also a question in terms of experience.

If Brent continues to alternate good and very bad years, that shouldn't be enough. We all see how quickly the expectations have fallen under Moser. I sure hope that in a few years, we aren't in a position where making an expanded playoff and losing in the first round once every third or fourth year is seen as acceptable, no matter how much some people like Brent.

No disagreement here that if Brent and the football team have a bad year this year that discussions should be had, but at this point I actually am bought into the trajectory of the team. I believe as long as we have Brent here, the defense will be very good. He strung together many back to back to back years of good defenses at Clemson even with them losing guys to the league. He finally got some consistency on offense and things are starting to bear fruit. Getting the defense to where it is from where it was when he took over alone was a monumental feat. If we can get the offense humming more with some continuity heading into this year I like where we are at.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Unless/until he can string multiple good seasons together, he absolutely hasn't proven that he is up to OU standards as a head coach. Half of his seasons have been miles below the standard. Vegas is obviously not perfect (they were off on our win total last season), but they only have us at 7.5 wins right now. And despite how fired up the OU "journalists" are about our offseason, I have not seen any national writers or journalists list us as a portal winner. I suspect we will have some of the same issues on the O-line -- we are an injury or two away from being in trouble there. We didn't recruit over two RBS who should be backups, not starters. Our QB is in the bottom half of our league. And I think our defense may take at least a small step back because we don't seem to have as much quality depth on the line, and LB is also a question in terms of experience.

If Brent continues to alternate good and very bad years, that shouldn't be enough. We all see how quickly the expectations have fallen under Moser. I sure hope that in a few years, we aren't in a position where making an expanded playoff and losing in the first round once every third or fourth year is seen as acceptable, no matter how much some people like Brent.

i think next year will be the best team he has had at OU

 

[WTSooner]

Our QB is in the bottom half of our league.

I would be shocked if that were true this season.

Partly because I believe in Mateer.

Partly because it's a down year for QB's in the SEC.

Mateer will be top half for sure. I'd argue top 1/3 or top 1/4 aren't out of the question.

 

[WichitaSooner]

No disagreement here that if Brent and the football team have a bad year this year that discussions should be had, but at this point I actually am bought into the trajectory of the team. I believe as long as we have Brent here, the defense will be very good. He strung together many back to back to back years of good defenses at Clemson even with them losing guys to the league. He finally got some consistency on offense and things are starting to bear fruit. Getting the defense to where it is from where it was when he took over alone was a monumental feat. If we can get the offense humming more with some continuity heading into this year I like where we are at.

Fair points. And to be clear, I don't expect the defense to be bad, or even average. But if it takes even a small step back, it could make a big difference unless Mateer is a totally different player. We likely would have lost at least two more games last season if the defense was not quite as good as they were, and 8-4 isn't sniffing a playoff spot.

 

[The_Banker]

i think next year will be the best team he has had at OU

The staff also believes this.

 

[WichitaSooner]

I would be shocked if that were true this season.

Partly because I believe in Mateer.

Partly because it's a down year for QB's in the SEC.

Mateer will be top half for sure. I'd argue top 1/3 or top 1/4 aren't out of the question.

Well, I know going into last season, many OU people viewed him as one of the best in not only our league, but the nation. And some of the QBs who turned out to be far better were relatively unknown going into the season. I won't belabor how down I am on Mateer, I will just say that I think he is a guy who will certainly make some big plays, and he plays hard, but I also fully expect him to make a lot of really bad decisions and bad reads, and I think his mechanics are completely broken, from his feet to his arm angle. There is a ton of work to do for him to be a reliably good QB in big moments.

 

[mict085]

Fair points. And to be clear, I don't expect the defense to be bad, or even average. But if it takes even a small step back, it could make a big difference unless Mateer is a totally different player. We likely would have lost at least two more games last season if the defense was not quite as good as they were, and 8-4 isn't sniffing a playoff spot.

Last season, Mateer had to do it all. That will not be the case this coming season. The run game will be much stronger and we should have more help at WR and TE. The TE blocking alone will help the run game tremendously. The point being, Mateer can lean on others without having to always be the hero and the entire offense.

I think we’re going to be very good, better than last season. However, BV is one bad season from the hot seat. We’ve had a few mulligans. No more.

 

[WTSooner]

Well, I know going into last season, many OU people viewed him as one of the best in not only our league, but the nation. And some of the QBs who turned out to be far better were relatively unknown going into the season. I won't belabor how down I am on Mateer, I will just say that I think he is a guy who will certainly make some big plays, and he plays hard, but I also fully expect him to make a lot of really bad decisions and bad reads, and I think his mechanics are completely broken, from his feet to his arm angle. There is a ton of work to do for him to be a reliably good QB in big moments.

I don't think it's fair to judge him on last season because he was injured. But I know we disagree on that.

I also don't worry about the feet and arm angle. He's done those things since HS. They are supposedly working on the arm angle (as seen at the OU Pro Day), but I think the reads and decision making are more important than the mechanics at this point.

If the UGA QB is good enough, Mateer is good enough. He isn't an NFL guy. He isn't Baker/Kyler/Hurts. But I think he can be good enough. Especially if we find a running game.

But SEC QB play will likely be down. Especially if Chambliss isn't allowed to play. A lot of the mid-tier teams brought in guys that aren't really scary/proven.

We'll see. It's all speculation until they go to Ann Arbor next year. With the schedule we have, we'll know a few weeks in what kind of team we have.

 

[The_Banker]

People don't realize his knee bothered him in the middle part of the year just as much as the thumb...

 

[WichitaSooner]

Last season, Mateer had to do it all. That will not be the case this coming season. The run game will be much stronger and we should have more help at WR and TE. The TE blocking alone will help the run game tremendously. The point being, Mateer can lean on others without having to always be the hero and the entire offense.

I think we’re going to be very good, better than last season. However, BV is one bad season from the hot seat. We’ve had a few mulligans. No more.

I guess I just don't see his mistakes as being caused by having to do it all. How does that explain not seeing open WRs or making terrible throws when guys were open? Almost all the OU analysts, even the total homers, agree that the film showed a lot of times when the pocket was clean, the primary read was open, and he simply didn't throw it to him.

 

[TINY]

I guess I just don't see his mistakes as being caused by having to do it all. How does that explain not seeing open WRs or making terrible throws when guys were open? Almost all the OU analysts, even the total homers, agree that the film showed a lot of times when the pocket was clean, the primary read was open, and he simply didn't throw it to him.

Was at the gym the other day and they had the playoff game re-run on. That pick 6 he threw before half was one of the worst throws in OU history. Had a clean pocket and just throws it to a random bama guy standing there.