Do you think moving to the SEC is better for OU?

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

I don't know why I didn't think of this until today, but the schedule, particularly the home schedule, will change drastically for OU.

I don't expect any of the former Big 12 teams to play OU in basketball. For instance:

I'd be shocked if Kansas came back to Lloyd Noble. Bill Self already doesn't have much use for OU, and probably won't play us at all. If OU were to play KU again, they'd ask for a one-shot deal in Lawrence or Kansas City. OU would say no to that.

I have no idea what Bedlam will look like, or if it will even exist...there are many at OSU that don't want to continue, at least for now. I don't know if OU and OSU would use two non-conference dates for a home-and-home. I would expect a neutral site game in either OKC or Tulsa.

The SEC currently plays as a single league with no divisions. Each team has three permanent opponents whom they play home-and-home. Each team then rotates through the rest of the league. If this continues, there would be 18 conference games (2 games against the three permanent opponents, 1 against the other 12 teams). I would expect to see Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri as permanent opponents. Those would be big games, and the Hog fans would be likely to drive to Norman to try to take over the building. Kentucky would come to Norman every other year in this scenario.

Basketball in the SEC will be different, for sure.

 

[WTSooner]

I don't know why I didn't think of this until today, but the schedule, particularly the home schedule, will change drastically for OU.

I don't expect any of the former Big 12 teams to play OU in basketball. For instance:

I'd be shocked if Kansas came back to Lloyd Noble. Bill Self already doesn't have much use for OU, and probably won't play us at all. If OU were to play KU again, they'd ask for a one-shot deal in Lawrence or Kansas City. OU would say no to that.

I have no idea what Bedlam will look like, or if it will even exist...there are many at OSU that don't want to continue, at least for now. I don't know if OU and OSU would use two non-conference dates for a home-and-home. I would expect a neutral site game in either OKC or Tulsa.

The SEC currently plays as a single league with no divisions. Each team has three permanent opponents whom they play home-and-home. Each team then rotates through the rest of the league. If this continues, there would be 18 conference games (2 games against the three permanent opponents, 1 against the other 12 teams). I would expect to see Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri as permanent opponents. Those would be big games, and the Hog fans would be likely to drive to Norman to try to take over the building. Kentucky would come to Norman every other year in this scenario.

Basketball in the SEC will be different, for sure.

I think you might be surprised how many of our former conference foes we might play. I don't know about KU, but I'd expect Bedlam to continue in some fashion. MAY take a couple of years for OSU to get out of their feelings, but I'm pretty sure they'll play regularly at some point. But the other teams will be good opponents due to proximity. There is a reason we don't play a bunch of games out on the coasts during OOC scheduling. With most of the ex-Big 12 opponents being centrally located, I'd expect to see us play some of them from time to time. ISU. KSU. Baylor. TCU. All make a lot of sense to me, though likely not on a regular basis.

 

[thebigabd]

I think you might be surprised how many of our former conference foes we might play. I don't know about KU, but I'd expect Bedlam to continue in some fashion. MAY take a couple of years for OSU to get out of their feelings, but I'm pretty sure they'll play regularly at some point. But the other teams will be good opponents due to proximity. There is a reason we don't play a bunch of games out on the coasts during OOC scheduling. With most of the ex-Big 12 opponents being centrally located, I'd expect to see us play some of them from time to time. ISU. KSU. Baylor. TCU. All make a lot of sense to me, though likely not on a regular basis.

People thought the same thing about Nebraska, and they never play. I am pretty sure last year was the first since leaving that Nebraska played Colorado, one of their primary foes.

When joining the SEC, the following is a perfect non-con schedule:

Season 1
First Game: UTEP
Second Game: UT San Antonio
Third Game: UAB
Fourth Game: Southern Miss
Rest: SEC

Season 2
First Game: Tulsa
Second Game: South Florida
Third Game: Louisiana
Fourth Game: Arkansas State
Rest: SEC

Season 3
First Game: Middle Tennessee
Second Game: Troy
Third Game: Georgia Southern
Fourth Game: SMU
Rest: SEC

Season 4
First Game: Western Kentucky
Second Game: Tulsa
Third Game: UL Monroe
Fourth Game: Georgia State
Rest: SEC

Trend.... a few games in Oklahoma/Texas/Arkansas. The rest against mid-major teams in the south. C-USA, AAC, Sun Belt, etc. Play the new recruiting area.

 

[sheepdogs1]

People thought the same thing about Nebraska, and they never play. I am pretty sure last year was the first since leaving that Nebraska played Colorado, one of their primary foes.

When joining the SEC, the following is a perfect non-con schedule:

Season 1
First Game: UTEP
Second Game: UT San Antonio
Third Game: UAB
Fourth Game: Southern Miss
Rest: SEC

Season 2
First Game: Tulsa
Second Game: South Florida
Third Game: Louisiana
Fourth Game: Arkansas State
Rest: SEC

Season 3
First Game: Middle Tennessee
Second Game: Troy
Third Game: Georgia Southern
Fourth Game: SMU
Rest: SEC

Season 4
First Game: Western Kentucky
Second Game: Tulsa
Third Game: UL Monroe
Fourth Game: Georgia State
Rest: SEC

Trend.... a few games in Oklahoma/Texas/Arkansas. The rest against mid-major teams in the south. C-USA, AAC, Sun Belt, etc. Play the new recruiting area.

I hope you didn't lose any sleep last night coming up with this.

 

[thebigabd]

I hope you didn't lose any sleep last night coming up with this.

None. Zilch.

 

[WTSooner]

People thought the same thing about Nebraska, and they never play. I am pretty sure last year was the first since leaving that Nebraska played Colorado, one of their primary foes.

When joining the SEC, the following is a perfect non-con schedule:

Season 1
First Game: UTEP
Second Game: UT San Antonio
Third Game: UAB
Fourth Game: Southern Miss
Rest: SEC

Season 2
First Game: Tulsa
Second Game: South Florida
Third Game: Louisiana
Fourth Game: Arkansas State
Rest: SEC

Season 3
First Game: Middle Tennessee
Second Game: Troy
Third Game: Georgia Southern
Fourth Game: SMU
Rest: SEC

Season 4
First Game: Western Kentucky
Second Game: Tulsa
Third Game: UL Monroe
Fourth Game: Georgia State
Rest: SEC

Trend.... a few games in Oklahoma/Texas/Arkansas. The rest against mid-major teams in the south. C-USA, AAC, Sun Belt, etc. Play the new recruiting area.

Are you talking about football or basketball? I was talking about basketball. I realize it'll be tough to play our old Big 12 mates in football with any kind of regularity (except maybe OSU), but basketball is a different story.

And if your schedule was football, I hope like crazy our OOC scheduling doesn't get that poor. If it was basketball, we're going to play more than 4 OOC games each season.

 

[BoulderSooner]

The SEC currently plays as a single league with no divisions. Each team has three permanent opponents whom they play home-and-home. Each team then rotates through the rest of the league. If this continues, there would be 18 conference games (2 games against the three permanent opponents, 1 against the other 12 teams). I would expect to see Texas, Arkansas, and Missouri as permanent opponents. Those would be big games, and the Hog fans would be likely to drive to Norman to try to take over the building. Kentucky would come to Norman every other year in this scenario.

Basketball in the SEC will be different, for sure.

i have heard that OU and Arkansas want to keep the game in Tulsa long term

so it would be every year in Tulsa and home every other year for both ..

ie year one @ Ark in Tulsa and home vs Arkansas in Norman
year two home vs Ark in Tulsa and @ Ark in Fayetteville

 

[WichitaSooner]

People thought the same thing about Nebraska, and they never play. I am pretty sure last year was the first since leaving that Nebraska played Colorado, one of their primary foes.

When joining the SEC, the following is a perfect non-con schedule:

Season 1
First Game: UTEP
Second Game: UT San Antonio
Third Game: UAB
Fourth Game: Southern Miss
Rest: SEC

Season 2
First Game: Tulsa
Second Game: South Florida
Third Game: Louisiana
Fourth Game: Arkansas State
Rest: SEC

Season 3
First Game: Middle Tennessee
Second Game: Troy
Third Game: Georgia Southern
Fourth Game: SMU
Rest: SEC

Season 4
First Game: Western Kentucky
Second Game: Tulsa
Third Game: UL Monroe
Fourth Game: Georgia State
Rest: SEC

Trend.... a few games in Oklahoma/Texas/Arkansas. The rest against mid-major teams in the south. C-USA, AAC, Sun Belt, etc. Play the new recruiting area.

That’s a great schedule if we want to put ourselves behind the eight ball every year when it comes to making the tournament or getting a decent seed. And as another poster noted, basketball teams play far more noncon games than this.

 

[sheepdogs1]

That’s a great schedule if we want to put ourselves behind the eight ball every year when it comes to making the tournament or getting a decent seed. And as another poster noted, basketball teams play far more noncon games than this.

His topic is football related (Nebraska played Colorado a couple of seasons back on the gridiron).

 

[WichitaSooner]

His topic is football related (Nebraska played Colorado a couple of seasons back on the gridiron).

I should have picked that up although I’m not sure why he went that route in response to a post about how our basketball schedule will be impacted.

I have no clue how we will schedule going forward in basketball, but as for football, I can’t imagine us not including a P5 opponent more years than not.

 

[thebigabd]

Are you talking about football or basketball? I was talking about basketball. I realize it'll be tough to play our old Big 12 mates in football with any kind of regularity (except maybe OSU), but basketball is a different story.

And if your schedule was football, I hope like crazy our OOC scheduling doesn't get that poor. If it was basketball, we're going to play more than 4 OOC games each season.

Oh I was talking football....

If you are talking basketball, just keep doing what you're doing in terms of scheduling. I doubt OSU and some of the others will want to play OU for awhile.

In football... if you are going to play a brutal SEC schedule I would prefer to start 4-0 before heading into it. Nothing wrong with playing UAB, Southern Miss, etc kinda teams before SEC play starts.

 

[WTSooner]

Oh I was talking football....

If you are talking basketball, just keep doing what you're doing in terms of scheduling. I doubt OSU and some of the others will want to play OU for awhile.

In football... if you are going to play a brutal SEC schedule I would prefer to start 4-0 before heading into it. Nothing wrong with playing UAB, Southern Miss, etc kinda teams before SEC play starts.

There is a problem with ONLY scheduling teams like that. Even Bama and UGA are scheduling tougher teams OOC. And if the CFP expands? No reason to go soft with our schedule.

The SEC schedule isn't going to be brutally hard every year. I'm guessing they go to a nine game schedule though, leaving only 3 OOC games to schedule.

 

[skyvue]

In football... if you are going to play a brutal SEC schedule

You mean Vandy, South Carolina, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee kind of brutal?

 

[WichitaSooner]

I see we just formally agreed to a multi-year neutral site basketball series with Arkansas. First game is this December in Tulsa.

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

i have heard that OU and Arkansas want to keep the game in Tulsa long term

so it would be every year in Tulsa and home every other year for both ..

ie year one @ Ark in Tulsa and home vs Arkansas in Norman
year two home vs Ark in Tulsa and @ Ark in Fayetteville

I just saw this morning where the BOK Center has announced a long-term agreement between themselves, OU, and Arkansas.

https://twitter.com/BOKCenter/status/1424749293672570885

I don't understand why either school, especially Arkansas, would want to give up a home conference game every other year. Arkansas can fill up a 19,000 seat arena when OU comes to town. Their people will drive to games in Norman, as well, especially when their team is good.

I can see playing Bedlam in either Tulsa or OKC as a non-conference game. That makes sense, especially during the holidays. With an Arkansas game in Tulsa, Bedlam may end up as a neutral-site game in OKC.

But I'm scratching my head at both OU and Arkansas for giving up a home conference game. Tulsa must be making it worth their while financially.

 

[thebigabd]

There is a problem with ONLY scheduling teams like that. Even Bama and UGA are scheduling tougher teams OOC. And if the CFP expands? No reason to go soft with our schedule.

The SEC schedule isn't going to be brutally hard every year. I'm guessing they go to a nine game schedule though, leaving only 3 OOC games to schedule.

LSU non-con the year they want the national title:
Georgia Southern (Sun Belt)
Utah State (WAC)
Northwestern State (Not even D1)
Texas

2019 Georgia non-conference schedule
Murray State (not even D1)
Arkansas State (sun belt)
Notre Dame

2019 Alabama Non-Con
new Mexico state (historically one of the worst teams ever)
Southern miss (C-USA)
Western Carolina (not even D1)
Duke

Florida
Towson (not even D1)
UT Martin (not even D1)
Miami

It looks like their strategy is to play teams worse than I suggested, but with one premier non-con matchup. I went with playing 4 solid mid-major teams, and no premier non-con matchup.

Lets not act like what I suggested isn't standard practice for SEC teams.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I should have picked that up although I’m not sure why he went that route in response to a post about how our basketball schedule will be impacted.

I have no clue how we will schedule going forward in basketball, but as for football, I can’t imagine us not including a P5 opponent more years than not.

Of course you throw in some national names where some of it is for exposure plus a reward to fans who travel. Pretty much all the names listed are not places fans want to travel to and they all can't be home games either.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Oh I was talking football....

If you are talking basketball, just keep doing what you're doing in terms of scheduling. I doubt OSU and some of the others will want to play OU for awhile.

In football... if you are going to play a brutal SEC schedule I would prefer to start 4-0 before heading into it. Nothing wrong with playing UAB, Southern Miss, etc kinda teams before SEC play starts.

Baylor.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I just saw this morning where the BOK Center has announced a long-term agreement between themselves, OU, and Arkansas.

https://twitter.com/BOKCenter/status/1424749293672570885

I don't understand why either school, especially Arkansas, would want to give up a home conference game every other year. Arkansas can fill up a 19,000 seat arena when OU comes to town. Their people will drive to games in Norman, as well, especially when their team is good.

I can see playing Bedlam in either Tulsa or OKC as a non-conference game. That makes sense, especially during the holidays. With an Arkansas game in Tulsa, Bedlam may end up as a neutral-site game in OKC.

But I'm scratching my head at both OU and Arkansas for giving up a home conference game. Tulsa must be making it worth their while financially.

Tulsa is a 2 hour drive to the campus and it gives Arkansas exposure in the area (not just for basketball purposes only).

 

[BoulderSooner]

I just saw this morning where the BOK Center has announced a long-term agreement between themselves, OU, and Arkansas.

https://twitter.com/BOKCenter/status/1424749293672570885

I don't understand why either school, especially Arkansas, would want to give up a home conference game every other year. Arkansas can fill up a 19,000 seat arena when OU comes to town. Their people will drive to games in Norman, as well, especially when their team is good.

I can see playing Bedlam in either Tulsa or OKC as a non-conference game. That makes sense, especially during the holidays. With an Arkansas game in Tulsa, Bedlam may end up as a neutral-site game in OKC.

But I'm scratching my head at both OU and Arkansas for giving up a home conference game. Tulsa must be making it worth their while financially.

that tweet is LOL funny ... . this was announced a long time ago ...

edit announced in May 2020 https://soonersports.com/news/2020/5/6/mens-basketball-ou-and-arkansas-announce-series-in-tulsa.aspx