Do you think moving to the SEC is better for OU?

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

that tweet is LOL funny ... . this was announced a long time ago ...

edit announced in May 2020 https://soonersports.com/news/2020/5/6/mens-basketball-ou-and-arkansas-announce-series-in-tulsa.aspx

So it looks like the neutral-and-neutral series in Tulsa with Arkansas will be extended into SEC play.

I expect Bedlam to remain in some form, but I don't expect them to play twice per year, home-and-home. But it'd still be a good idea, as it's a short trip and good for strength of schedule.

Currently, our three biggest home games are KU, OSU, and Texas. KU's most likely going away, OSU may go away (or they'll come to Norman every other year), and Texas will remain.

Those will be replaced by Arkansas (every other year) and Kentucky (every other year). Hopefully, for season ticket holders' sake, the Arkansas and Kentucky away games won't occur in the same year.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Baylor.

Baylor went from a losing program to having a Heisman winner because.... they kept accumulating 4-0 starts with powder puff teams. Hes not wrong here. We should play nobody's now. Until the playoff expands. Then, we will need schedule. Well have sec bs behind us. So we dont need to boost the schedule any at all actually

 

[BoulderSooner]

LSU non-con the year they want the national title:
Georgia Southern (Sun Belt)
Utah State (WAC)
Northwestern State (Not even D1)
Texas

2019 Georgia non-conference schedule
Murray State (not even D1)
Arkansas State (sun belt)
Notre Dame

2019 Alabama Non-Con
new Mexico state (historically one of the worst teams ever)
Southern miss (C-USA)
Western Carolina (not even D1)
Duke

Florida
Towson (not even D1)
UT Martin (not even D1)
Miami

It looks like their strategy is to play teams worse than I suggested, but with one premier non-con matchup. I went with playing 4 solid mid-major teams, and no premier non-con matchup.

Lets not act like what I suggested isn't standard practice for SEC teams.

georgia also played georgia tech .... so 2 power schools ..

lsu played texas ..

florida also played florida st ... so 2 power schools ...

and that is about the wost bama ooc schedule year
2016 USC
2017 FSU
2018 Louisville
2019 Duke
2020 was USC again before covid ..


so 2 of your 4 example play 2 power 5 teams

this year

georgia plays clemson and georgia tech ..

 

[thebigabd]

Baylor went from a losing program to having a Heisman winner because.... they kept accumulating 4-0 starts with powder puff teams. Hes not wrong here. We should play nobody's now. Until the playoff expands. Then, we will need schedule. Well have sec bs behind us. So we dont need to boost the schedule any at all actually

Nope... Just go 4-0. That's all that matters. Just like The Hunger Games.... "stay alive".

georgia also played georgia tech .... so 2 power schools ..

Annual rivalry that they play every year... They didn't go out of their way to schedule it. It's just part of their annual schedule every single year.

lsu played texas ..

Yea, i said that... But they also played 3 super weak teams. They would have won the national title without Texas game. All they did was introduce risk. They could have played the Maine Black Bears and achieved the same thing.

Now, of course, you could argue that is bad for the fans. And that's a legitimate gripe. If you have a loaded SEC schedule, with national title aspirations, but don't want your fans to be bored for the first few weeks with weaker games, sure, schedule a tough opponent. But you certainly don't need to.

You can also schedule "major" teams but pick the worst ones... So you at least have a name. Play Indiana... Illinois... Colorado... Oregon State... etc as your "P5 team"... That way you play a name even though they suck.

What if the schedule was:
UTEP
Southern Miss
Illinois
Troy

That may make people a tad happier. You aren't playing any FCS teams, but you played a P5 team that is a bottom feeder in their league.

 

[skyvue]

Baylor went from a losing program to having a Heisman winner because.... they kept accumulating 4-0 starts with powder puff teams.

I think scheduling played a minimal role in Griffin winning the Heisman; they went 9-3 the year he won -- a decent record but hardly eye-popping. He won because a) he was a Heisman-caliber QB -- he passed the eye test, and b) because of the teams Baylor beat -- #14 TCU, #22 Texas and #5 OU. They played just three non-conference games that season and one of them was against TCU.

 

[thebigabd]

2013 Baylor Football.... 11-2 season.

Wofford
Buffalo
UM-Monroe
TCU

2014 Baylor Football.. 11-2 season.

SMU
Northwestern State
Buffalo
TCU

2015 Baylor Football... 10-3 season.

SMU
Lamar
Rice
TCU

2019 Baylor Football... 11-3 season.

Stephen F. Austin
UTSA
Rice

 

[sheepdogs1]

I think scheduling played a minimal role in Griffin winning the Heisman; they went 9-3 the year he won -- a decent record but hardly eye-popping. He won because a) he was a Heisman-caliber QB -- he passed the eye test, and b) because of the teams Baylor beat -- #14 TCU, #22 Texas and #5 OU. They played just three non-conference games that season and one of them was against TCU.

That's exactly why he won. Padding the schedule was a non-player.

 

[sheepdogs1]

2013 Baylor Football.... 11-2 season.

Wofford
Buffalo
UM-Monroe
TCU

2014 Baylor Football.. 11-2 season.

SMU
Northwestern State
Buffalo
TCU

2015 Baylor Football... 10-3 season.

SMU
Lamar
Rice
TCU

2019 Baylor Football... 11-3 season.

Stephen F. Austin
UTSA
Rice

Did Baylor playing a patsy schedule torpedo them from playing in the BCS one year? In the upcoming years they play home and road games against BYU, Utah, Air Force, Auburn and Oregon. Looks like patsy schedule has been clined!

 

[SoonerBounce13]

That's exactly why he won. Padding the schedule was a non-player.

I don't think you can say that. Record does come into play, whether it should or not. If they lost a couple more games, he wouldn't have won.

 

[thebigabd]

That's exactly why he won. Padding the schedule was a non-player.

I agree with that... Padding the schedule didn't win him a Heisman. Losing more games in the non-con could have cost him the Heisman though.

What's the precedent for winning Heisman on an average team?

 

[skyvue]

I don't think you can say that. Record does come into play, whether it should or not. If they lost a couple more games, he wouldn't have won.

As I pointed out in a preview post, Baylor played just two easy non-conference games that season -- Rice and Stephen F. Austin (who were ranked in FCS). Their opener was against TCU, which was not yet in the Big 12 and was ranked
#14.

I'm not arguing that Baylor hasn't played easy non-conference schedules in recent seasons, but that year, not so much -- certainly not soft enough to impact Griffin's Heisman campaign.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I don't think you can say that. Record does come into play, whether it should or not. If they lost a couple more games, he wouldn't have won.

If you look at the trophy winners you rarely see 3 losses on their resume. Whether these losses were attributed to non-co, conference or both is rather immaterial. Losing 5 games would barre a player from winning regardless of when they occurred during the season be it in conference or out.

 

[skyvue]

If you look at the trophy winners you rarely see 3 losses on their resume. Whether these losses were attributed to non-co, conference or both is rather immaterial. Losing 5 games would barre a player from winning regardless of when they occurred during the season be it in conference or out.

I hope they don't take Steve Owens' trophy away. The Sooners went 6-4 his Heisman season, which would certainly translate to five losses today.

 

[Sooner04]

If you look at the trophy winners you rarely see 3 losses on their resume. Whether these losses were attributed to non-co, conference or both is rather immaterial. Losing 5 games would barre a player from winning regardless of when they occurred during the season be it in conference or out.

Florida went 9-4 the year Tebow won it.

Griffin had a heck of a year, but his win will probably receive the Andre Ware treatment as that season retreats further into memory.

 

[sheepdogs1]

I hope they don't take Steve Owens' trophy away. The Sooners went 6-4 his Heisman season, which would certainly translate to five losses today.

Did I mention anything about taking away trophies? So why log it into the discussion? Did I use the term "rarely" in making a point (since 1935 there have been 3 winners with more than 3 losses) And your example of Steve occurred only more than 50 years ago. When Owens won the award they didn't give him the award because of what it would translate to in the decades to come and the same could be said about yards per carry.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Florida went 9-4 the year Tebow won it.

Griffin had a heck of a year, but his win will probably receive the Andre Ware treatment as that season retreats further into memory.

Hate to throw a correction your way, but to be accurate, Tebow won the Heisman award back in December which was before he and Florida competed in a New Year's day match against Michigan in which they were defeated.

The link below groups together the winners based on number of losses.

https://www.heisman.com/articles/wins-losses-and-the-heisman/

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I hope they don't take Steve Owens' trophy away. The Sooners went 6-4 his Heisman season, which would certainly translate to five losses today.

it is a different animal today.
It is about exposure and value to your team instead of just the best player.
i.e., it is the best player on the best team most of the time.

 

[WichitaSooner]

it is a different animal today.
It is about exposure and value to your team instead of just the best player.
i.e., it is the best player on the best team most of the time.

I’d argue it is basically the best/highest profile quarterback on a high profile team. Sure it helps to be 10-2 rather than 9-3, but don’t think that makes a huge difference.