Does Lon start Carl against OSU

Anyone who has followed hoops at all can come up with countless examples of guys who most thought should start, come off the bench, etc..... LK and any other decent coach has a feel for the game, and they realize situations when certain players will excel more than others.

I believe too much is put into who starts, as opposed to who plays in what situation, and who ultimately gets the most minutes. We will probably continue to see games where either guy might log more minutres based on the opponent, and how they each perform during the game.

Fans care alot more about who starts than coaches do........
 
I believe too much is put into who starts, as opposed to who plays in what situation, and who ultimately gets the most minutes. We will probably continue to see games where either guy might log more minutres based on the opponent, and how they each perform during the game.

Fans care alot more about who starts than coaches do........

Agreed, people who "study the game" should know this.
 
WT, I have a couple of college basketball coaches that I routinly access for opinions and information. One of which that has won over 500 games as a head coach, and within the last 60 day, I ask him what he looked for in a point guard. I was quoting his exact reply in my post.

Coach speak.

When they get those things they are looking for, they aren't often settling for a guy that is going to air ball multiple open jump shots per game either.
 
Coach speak.

When they get those things they are looking for, they aren't often settling for a guy that is going to air ball multiple open jump shots per game either.

Right, I forgot. It is all simple for you. It hard for me. So help me with this one. It is Groom's fault that Pledger is shooting 33% from the field in conference play. Right? It is Groom's fault that Pledger is standing around with his finger in his butt, while Osby,Fitz, and Blair are scratching clawing, and grinding try to get open. Right? It is Groom's fault that both of the last two games when Blair was in at the two, he could easily beat the defender off the bounce and get immediately open or get to the rim. Right?

Or is it that Pledger is responsible for his performance and production. I don't like the kid as a player. I don't think he has any heart and falls apart like a Walmart shirt under pressure. I've been clear on that. But, for you to constantly blame other players for his shortcomings is just plain pathetic.
 
Right, I forgot. It is all simple for you. It hard for me. So help me with this one. It is Groom's fault that Pledger is shooting 33% from the field in conference play. Right? It is Groom's fault that Pledger is standing around with his finger in his butt, while Osby,Fitz, and Blair are scratching clawing, and grinding try to get open. Right? It is Groom's fault that both of the last two games when Blair was in at the two, he could easily beat the defender off the bounce and get immediately open or get to the rim. Right?

Or is it that Pledger is responsible for his performance and production. I don't like the kid as a player. I don't think he has any heart and falls apart like a Walmart shirt under pressure. I've been clear on that. But, for you to constantly blame other players for his shortcomings is just plain pathetic.

So much faulty logic in that post, I can't even attack it.

Pledger gets doubled teamed. He doesn't get helped off of. He gets special attention paid to him, b/c the other coaches know he is the only guard we have that can score it in bunches. Those are facts. You want to give props to Grooms and Osby, and whomever else for GETTING open, but what you don't realize is, is that that is what the other coach is WANTING to have happen. Grooms isn't busting his tail to get open looks, the other team is GIVING him open looks. Osby isn't getting all these great looks inside, when he is open, it's from 18 feet away. And while he is a decent shooter, I'm guessing opposing coaches would let him shoot 18 footers all night. He isn't earning those shots, he's being GIVEN then. Cam? Being left open.

So you need to realize there is a difference between busting your butt to get open, or using some great skill set (speed or whatever) to get open, and simply being left open. Why would an opposing coach NOT leave Grooms and Cam wide open on the perimeter? Why would an opposing coach NOT want Osby shooting 18 footer after 18 footer, open or not? It's not quite as simple as I'm making it sound, but it pretty much is.

Pledger isn't blameless in this, but we know what he is. He is a fine offensive player when he only has to beat his man. He is not, however, the skilled athlete that can still get his 18 points when teams are giving it everything they have to take him out of the game. Only the true stars can do that, and nobody is calling Pledger that. But for you to continue to blame that kid when those around him are playing EVEN WORSE on the season, is ridiculous. Sam Grooms is 8 for 27 from the field in our last 4 losses. 29.6% from the field. But he "gets" open, right? Cam Clark is 6 for 25 from the field in our last 4 losses. 24% from the field. But he "gets" open, right? Pledger isn't shooting it much better in those games, but he isn't getting left WIDE OPEN either. I don't see how you don't get this. It's a pretty easy concept to pick up on simply by watching the games. Of course, you are still dogging Pledger's D based on last year, and not this year, so it shouldn't surprise me.

It isn't Pledger that will lose minutes next year if the incoming talent is as good as advertised. It's Cam. And Neal (as a guard). And Blair (as a SG). it won't be Pledger though, b/c LK isn't blind to his situation, and our struggles, like you are.
 
Let me put it another way.....

If Pledger was traded for a player that was equally talented, but that could get his own shot a little easier than Steven can, that might improve the numbers coming from that spot, but it wouldn't improve what Grooms and Cam are doing, b/c they still be getting the exact same open shots that they can get now.

But if you put an actual scoring threat at PG, like any of the pg's we've had pretty much going back to Mookie, that would not only improve the production at the pg spot, but it's also improve Pledger's production, b/c the defense would have to respect the new pg too. Same thing with Cam. Replace him with Crocker. Ere. Detrick. Deangelo Alexander. Kelly Newton. SOMEBODY that can hit a wide open shot, and not only do we improve at the 3 position, but it also frees up Pledger like we saw earlier in the season.

Can you really debate any of that?
 
If the objective is to win basketball games when things are tough, Pledger has no more value to this team than Nick Thompson. Grooms and Cam both have their shortcoming to deal with. None of them are Pledger's fault. They are responsible for their contributions.

Pledger is like a cheap racehorse. When left unchallenged on an easy lead, they can win some races. When something else rolls up along side to apply alittle pressure, they fall apart and finish up the track.

Don't kid youself. Kruger knows exactly what he has with Pledger. He has seen too many good ones. And he know the difference.
 
If the objective is to win basketball games when things are tough, Pledger has no more value to this team than Nick Thompson.

Just wow!

Take Pledger off this team and we get 0 points from out guards right now.
 
If the objective is to win basketball games when things are tough, Pledger has no more value to this team than Nick Thompson. Grooms and Cam both have their shortcoming to deal with. None of them are Pledger's fault. They are responsible for their contributions.

Pledger is like a cheap racehorse. When left unchallenged on an easy lead, they can win some races. When something else rolls up along side to apply alittle pressure, they fall apart and finish up the track.

Don't kid youself. Kruger knows exactly what he has with Pledger. He has seen too many good ones. And he know the difference.

I will say pledger is our best scorer in the backcourt, but hes average at best on defense and I dont want to see him taking any more last second shots(0-3 this season)
 
I will say pledger is our best scorer in the backcourt, but hes average at best on defense and I dont want to see him taking any more last second shots(0-3 this season)

who would you rather see taking last second shots?
 
I will say pledger is our best scorer in the backcourt, but hes average at best on defense and I dont want to see him taking any more last second shots(0-3 this season)
I'm with you. Enough of this buzzer-beater crap. Let's just win by 5
 
We had the right player taking that shot. But he had to hurry it a bit, which likely caused the miss. Pledger will probably make more than one game-winning buzzer-beater before he's done at OU.
 
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