Dominique Elliott out?

[WTSooner]

All you need to know about Pledger and the season he is having is this:

He leads the team in minutes played.

He is only three shots behind Osby for the team lead in FG attempts on the season.

He is also one of only two players I believe that have started every game this season.

 

[garyeb2]

All you need to know about Pledger and the season he is having is this:

He leads the team in minutes played.

He is only three shots behind Osby for the team lead in FG attempts on the season.

He is also one of only two players I believe that have started every game this season.

You don't have to start hyper ventilating WT. I think Pledger is having his best season as a Sooner. He has a niche and a way of contributing on what appears to be a top 40 team. Good for him. He deserves credit for that. I for one didn't think he had it in him.

 

[CompOUnder]

Pledger would play on every Big 12 team and start on over half.

 

[Soonerlover12]

Youngblood?

 

[DenverSooner]

Doesn't just about every team have a guard that averages 10/11 points a game. And that is what Pledger is in the context of a competent relativly complete team. What makes our guard the special one?

Nothing makes him special compared to the other guys starting and averaging 10/11 points per game in the Big XII. For the most part all of those guys starting and averaging 10/11 points per game play at any school in the conference.

When you say he can't play at other schools you are suggesting he can't be guys you have hardly heard of at other schools like Kirby Gardner at OSU (he played in all 24 games at OSU averaging 10 minutes a game) or Omari Lawrence at KSU (played 9 minutes in 24 of 26 games). It is ignorant to suggest a guy that got All Big XII recognitioin last year couldn't even be a role player at virtually every school in the conference.

 

[garyeb2]

Nothing makes him special compared to the other guys starting and averaging 10/11 points per game in the Big XII. For the most part all of those guys starting and averaging 10/11 points per game play at any school in the conference.

When you say he can't play at other schools you are suggesting he can't be guys you have hardly heard of at other schools like Kirby Gardner at OSU (he played in all 24 games at OSU averaging 10 minutes a game) or Omari Lawrence at KSU (played 9 minutes in 24 of 26 games). It is ignorant to suggest a guy that got All Big XII recognitioin last year couldn't even be a role player at virtually every school in the conference.

Did you read this thread? I didn't say any of those things. It is ignorant for you to suggest otherwise. What I was suggesting is that he is no better than any other player with simular production. And in many cases he would be worse.

 

[campbest]

Somewhere Bgrch is jacked.

 

[stoopified]

Yeah, I'd settle for a Keiton Page-type that can give us 15-20 minutes a game of just spotting up on the perimeter.[/QUOT
Bite your tomgue,I would rather have an Erdman or Neal,evn an Allison But I don't want a ball hog,arrogant,no D punk like Page.

 

[61sooner]

If you want lightening quick shooter, not a plodder like K. Page, who's faster and a better shot than Drew Lavender, dig up Kiwi Gardner out of the SF area and see if is academically cleared to play D-1 ball. I keep throwing his name out there. He's on par as a shooter with Isiah Thomas the G who plays for the Kings.

 

[snydrosooner]

If Pledger played on certain other teams, I think he would average more. If you have to Double team the bigs, and the bigs are willing to pass the ball out then you have an open pledger for 3. For the most part teams do not double off of Pledger, if he played for Kansas they would double off of him.

 

[WTSooner]

If Pledger played on certain other teams, I think he would average more. If you have to Double team the bigs, and the bigs are willing to pass the ball out then you have an open pledger for 3. For the most part teams do not double off of Pledger, if he played for Kansas they would double off of him.

Or if he played for a coach like Sampson that wanted his best players taking all the shots. Can you imagine the sets Kelvin would have ran for Pledger?

I'm not complaining, we've been pretty darn efficient on offense this year spreading it around, just making a statement.

 

[OKUman]

Yeah, I'd really like to find somebody who can just shoot 40% from 3. Don't care if he can do much else. I'd settle for a Keiton Page-type that can give us 15-20 minutes a game of just spotting up on the perimeter.

duh! Every team in America is looking for that guy.

 

[CMSOONER]

With Elliott out any chance Treshawn Bolden gets back in the mix?

 

[BoulderSooner]

With Elliott out any chance Treshawn Bolden gets back in the mix?

i hope not ... we should be looking at 2's and 3's ...

 

[Section31]

Or if he played for a coach like Sampson that wanted his best players taking all the shots. Can you imagine the sets Kelvin would have ran for Pledger?

I'm not complaining, we've been pretty darn efficient on offense this year spreading it around, just making a statement.

Sampson and offense used in the same post makes me cringe... :ez-roll:

 

[WTSooner]

Sampson and offense used in the same post makes me cringe... :ez-roll:

I would think that after the struggles we had at times under Capel to score, and the struggles we've had at times under Kruger to score, that OU fans would get off Kelvin's back. It seemed bad at the time, but the truth is, his offenses didn't struggle any more than most teams. It just stood out to OU fans b/c a) they are a fickle bunch, and b) he followed up Billy Ball.

 

[Max Power]

I would think that after the struggles we had at times under Capel to score, and the struggles we've had at times under Kruger to score, that OU fans would get off Kelvin's back. It seemed bad at the time, but the truth is, his offenses didn't struggle any more than most teams. It just stood out to OU fans b/c a) they are a fickle bunch, and b) he followed up Billy Ball.

And C. The last 4 or 5 years under sampson were the first 4-5 under stoops with the high octane offense in football

 

[Section31]

I would think that after the struggles we had at times under Capel to score, and the struggles we've had at times under Kruger to score, that OU fans would get off Kelvin's back. It seemed bad at the time, but the truth is, his offenses didn't struggle any more than most teams. It just stood out to OU fans b/c a) they are a fickle bunch, and b) he followed up Billy Ball.

Ah, I'm mostly kidding.

I DO believe those teams struggle more often to score than anything we've seen since. I mean, hell, we'd go 7-10 min without scoring a single bucket on pretty regular basis. That game against MU in the Big XII tourney was the cherry on top.

With that said, I miss those teams and have a ton of respect for KS as an overall Xs and Os coach. I just think offense was his minor weakness.

Has little to do with me being fickle or growing up on Billy Ball. I just call it like I see it.

 

[DenverSooner]

OU fans are just strange about Sampson. 2000-2003 was one of the best four year stretch of OU basketball ever in terms of wins (second best). OU won 27, 26, 31 and 27 games in those years. That is an average of 27.75 wins a season. Sampson also went 9 consecutive seasons winning 20 games or more and averaging 24.44 wins a season. In one of those years OU was plagued with injuries. Another year OU kicked JR Raymond off the team and lost a first round NCAA game. Without those events Sampson probably would have been pretty close to a 25 win average over those 9 seasons. (I think OU with Raymond wins at least 2 NCAA games and I think a healthy Bookout was probably worth 2 or more wins.)

People get onto Sampson for some first round NCAA losses but those teams were projected to be NIT teams so he actually did a good job with them.

If you compare Sampson to Tubbs he actually compares fairly well and Tubbs had a great run at OU. Tubbs best four year stretch was 87-90 when OU won 24, 35, 30 and 27 games for an average of 29 wins which is phenominal . Tubbs also averaged 27.5 wins from 1983 - 1986. (you could use 87 or 83 because both years were 24 wins). From 1982 to 1993 Tubbs won 20 or more games averaging 25.75 wins a year. The worst seasons were actually in the 90s and I have read a lot of rumors or comments that the OU Administration hampered Tubbs with some added academic requirements due to the football team going on probation. Plus Tubbs had an injured Sallier on one of his better teams in the 90s.

The 12 year run of Tubbs and 9 year run of Sampson were much more similar than a lot of OU fans seem to realize with Tubbs winning just 1.31 more games a season. The two coaches did things a lot differently but they were both very good.


http://soonerstats.com/basketball/men/seasons/index.cfm?decade=all

 

[cowboysooner]

Denver, while I don't disagree with anything you stated about Sampson, you didn't mention the single biggest injury related loss -- Bobby Evans was the only legit big time high school big ever signed by Sampson, and essentially, he never played for us due to a bad wheel. He got spot duty as a freshman but that was about it. Pre injury, he was about as good as any freshman big int he country, and if he had been healthy and stayed for 4 years there is simply no telling how many more wins we would have had.

To each his own, but I was a big fan of Sampson. I know many on here were not and that is ok.