EJ to the portal

[StoopsBros]

Tracking the coaching/staffer follows for EJ since the portal announcement:

Marty Wilson - Cal asst
Michael Lecak - UC Riverside asst
Grant Billmeier - Maryland asst
Ryan Hamm - Cal St Fullerton DBO
Jaycob Ammerman - UCF Video Coordinator
Zach Payne - Montana asst
Orlando Vandross - Virginia asst
Chris Foss - Portland St asst

more:

Joey Wellman - Cal Baptist
Martin Bahar - San Diego asst (for now, not sure new HC, Steve Lavin, is going to keep him)
Danny Lawson - UMBC asst
Tim Shelton - Fresno St asst
Kevin Kaerwer - UTEP director of player development
Johnny McCormick - Texas-Tyler asst
Dan Russell - Montana State asst

 

[Seymore Cox]

This is a massive loss. Harkless was a really good player.

If Gibson doesn't come back... Moser better destroy the portal this year because the team is in serious trouble losing Gibson, Harkless, Chargois, Johnson, Mawien, Goldwire, etc.

In the era of the portal, your fortune can change quickly... but if OU doesn't do a good job in the portal and fills space with scabs, going to be in serious trouble.

OU is hemorrhaging talent in the portal. ACC Player of the Year (Alondes)... All ACC player who played for a national championship (Manek)... Harkless... We will see on Gibson.

They may announce 4-5 total studs.. You do have to be patient in this era, but OU is losing more than it's gaining right now.

I never thought I’d agree with you, but on this I might. However if they can add a legit scoring pg to go along with a big that can rebound, defend and grind out about 10 points a game, they can turn it around. I heard they have promised the pg position to one of the incoming freshman. That wouldn’t be good.

If there is any scenario where the guys who played bad start this upcoming year, that would stink.

I would love to have Kendrick Davis from SMU, but he’s the equivalent to a 5 star recruit.

 

[thebigabd]

A 10 points, 4 rebs per game guy is a “massive loss”? You’re better than that, ABD!

Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.

 

[Swans]

Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.

Thanks for taking us down memory lane. All those guys were better than numbers. Would love to get a Kevin Bookout clone for next year’s team.

 

[skyvue]

Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.

I approve this message. I'm not going to dwell on EJ's departure, but it's a loss.

It's also worth noting that many fans form bonds with players. For some fans, it's more like a business -- all numbers, all stats -- but many fans don't follow sports that way. EJ's impact can't be measured with a couple of tossed-off stats.

I'm sorry he is not sticking around for one more season as a Sooner.

 

[Sooner04]

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Those numbers were put up on very good teams. Elijah's 10 and 4 were on a mediocre team. Lots of guys can average 10 and 4 on mediocre teams.

We need talent. Let the infusion continue!

 

[hoopsaustin]

Those numbers were put up on very good teams. Elijah's 10 and 4 were on a mediocre team. Lots of guys can average 10 and 4 on mediocre teams.

We need talent. Let the infusion continue!

+1

 

[WichitaSooner]

Those numbers were put up on very good teams. Elijah's 10 and 4 were on a mediocre team. Lots of guys can average 10 and 4 on mediocre teams.

We need talent. Let the infusion continue!

Exactly. Does anyone doubt whether Quannas would have been able to score significantly more if he had played on this year's team? He would have probably been a 15 ppg guy on that roster as a primary opion.

EJ also turned the ball over in one week about as often as Q did in a season, despite the fact Q was the primary ball handler on his teams. Plus, Q is the perfect example of a player who played his role perfectly. Never tried to do too much, was content taking very few shots when the offense was rolling, but also was more than willing to take and make big shots when the situation called for it. Harkless, on the other hand, seemed to have no understanding of what his limitations were, or simply didn't care.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Those stats don't tell the whole story... Some guys are 10/4 guys, and have a huge impact on the team. Tons of variables there. Players around them, quality of competition, role on the team, etc.

Nolan Johnson averaged 10/4... I consider him a very good player.

Quannas White averaged 9/4... I consider him a very good player.

Kevin Bookout averaged 10/5 on his career... I consider him a very good player.

Harkless was a really good defender... High energy... hit big shots.. Good size... Very tough, hard nosed player. He's way more than 10/4. In addition to all that, he had 2 years of experience against the Big 12. Just from an experience perspective alone, it's a big loss.

nolan Johnson career 49% from the field

q white 44 from the field over 40 from 3 4 ast 1.8 turns and was the PG

bookout 57% from the field ..

harkless 42 from the field 33 from 3 .. 2 turns

 

[TarheelstateSooner]

nolan Johnson career 49% from the field

q white 44 from the field over 40 from 3 4 ast 1.8 turns and was the PG

bookout 57% from the field ..

harkless 42 from the field 33 from 3 .. 2 turns

Jalen Hill shot 20.5% from 3 and had 1.7 turnovers per game and you think he's efficient, TBF.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Jalen Hill shot 20.5% from 3 and had 1.7 turnovers per game and you think he's efficient, TBF.

.579 from the field ..

 

[TINY]

Sucks to lose Harkless but I don’t think he is a great fit for Moser’s offense ultimately. He is a plus defender with tremendous experience. I’m confident
We can find good use of his scholarship.

 

[TarheelstateSooner]

.579 from the field ..

And still shot 20.5% from 3. Which is deplorable. Harkless at least could hit the 3 at a decent college clip. Harkless averaged more points per game than Hill too. But yet, Hill is basically "off limits" to criticism.

 

[BoulderSooner]

And still shot 20.5% from 3. Which is deplorable. Harkless at least could hit the 3 at a decent college clip. Harkless averaged more points per game than Hill too. But yet, Hill is basically "off limits" to criticism.

your lack of understanding (or trolling) of basic stats is kind of amazing ..

 

[WichitaSooner]

And still shot 20.5% from 3. Which is deplorable. Harkless at least could hit the 3 at a decent college clip. Harkless averaged more points per game than Hill too. But yet, Hill is basically "off limits" to criticism.

32 percent is a decent clip for a shooting guard? LOL. At least Hill was smart enough to not attempt 4 per game even though he didn't make them And on what team does a 4-man shoot the three as well/better than the 2-man? Harkless averaged one more point game on three more shot attempts per game. Ever hear of effective FG percentage?

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

I don't know why this has turned into such a back and forth argument. Harkless was a GOOD but not GREAT basketball player....I appreciated his effort and his grit. He had some solid games....he also had some games where his deficiencies were glaring. He was an average shooter and an average ball handler....he was turnover prone at times. He was a gritty solid defender who got after people.

He was NOT irreplaceable......not even close. Bamisile more than makes up for what we lose with Harkless (offensively for sure). IF he is eligible....which I would think there is a chance.

It is pretty much that clear cut.

We have some solid rotational players.....we don't have any superstars.....we were competitive with the top end of the conference.....with minor upgrades here and there and guys who fit Moser's system a little better we should continue to improve and be even more competitive.

All the impatience and the "Moser can't recruit" stuff is just white noise from, MAINLY, people who know very little about basketball. 9sorry if that makes some of you feel guilty). We have some holes to fill yes......hoping we get another athletic big or two.......we definitely need better shooters....we got one with Bamisile......now lets see how the rest plays out.

 

[thebigabd]

21 and 7 against Kansas State
21 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists against Arkansas
13 points, 4 rebounds, 4 steals against Iowa State
19 points, 5 rebounds, 4 steals against Texas
12 points, 4 rebounds against KU
13 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals against Texas Tech
15 points, 6 rebounds, 5 steals against Oklahoma State
16 points, 10 rebounds against Missouri
14 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists against Kansas
12 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, and 5 steals against ISU
12 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists against WVU
19 points, 6 rebounds against ISU
14 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals against Alabama
8 points, 13 rebounds, 6 assists against KSU
7 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals against Gonzaga

It's a loss. A big one.

 

[WTSooner]

It's a loss. A big one.

Nope.

http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44435&page=3

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

21 and 7 against Kansas State
21 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists against Arkansas
13 points, 4 rebounds, 4 steals against Iowa State
19 points, 5 rebounds, 4 steals against Texas
12 points, 4 rebounds against KU
13 points, 3 rebounds, 2 steals against Texas Tech
15 points, 6 rebounds, 5 steals against Oklahoma State
16 points, 10 rebounds against Missouri
14 points, 7 rebounds, 3 assists against Kansas
12 points, 9 rebounds, 6 assists, and 5 steals against ISU
12 points, 9 rebounds, 3 assists against WVU
19 points, 6 rebounds against ISU
14 points, 5 rebounds, 3 steals against Alabama
8 points, 13 rebounds, 6 assists against KSU
7 points, 9 rebounds, 2 steals against Gonzaga

It's a loss. A big one.

So you used 13 games over two years...but left out

7 points, 1 reb, 2 asts against UF
6 points, 5 reb, 0 asts against UT (14 pt loss)
12 pts, 3 reb, 0 asts (0-4 from 3) vs Baylor another double digit loss
11 pts and 4 reb and 7 TOs vs TCU
1 pt and 2 reb with 2 TOs vs Auburn
15 pts and 6 rebs vs OSU but 8 TOs
2 pts and 6 rebs vs INDIANA STATE in 25 minutes
8 pts and 4 rebs vs Alcorn St ( 0 fer three point range)


Those were just this year....and I just randomly picked a few games

sure he is a loss.....a BIG loss? meh...not irreplaceable.

 

[skyvue]

sure he is a loss.....a BIG loss? meh...not irreplaceable.

Exceedingly few players are irreplaceable. There isn't one on OU's current roster. Are we then to treat every outgoing transfer as if it's no big deal and rush to discount, if not outright dismiss, the departing player's contributions?