ESPN article about the one and done rule + Josh Selby

[MNsooner]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6407176

It uses Josh Selby as an example of why the rule is so bad for college ball. Still, I also think this is exactly why the rule exists. Some team would have over-drafted Selby because they never got to scout him at the college level. In my mind, Selby also proves why the rule is good for the NBA.

 

[sperry]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6407176

It uses Josh Selby as an example of why the rule is so bad for college ball. Still, I also think this is exactly why the rule exists. Some team would have over-drafted Selby because they never got to scout him at the college level. In my mind, Selby also proves why the rule is good for the NBA.

Exactly. Someone would be paying this clown a ton of money right now if he could have jumped straight out of high school. Instead he went to school and got exposed as having the not so great combination of not as talented as everyone thought + a poor attitude and work ethic. If he gets his act together he may end up playing for a long time, but he's got a ways to go, and NBA GMs saved themselves a lot of money because of the rule, which is the point of it in the first place.

 

[thebigabd]

Hmmmmm.

 

[Crocker's Long Sleeves]

One and done is good for the NBA, but it is killing college basketball. I think that you should be able to go pro after high school, but if you sign with a school it is a two year commitment. The NBA is using college as a testing ground so they dont have as big of a risk drafting high school kids.

 

[seniorsooner]

Bad rule for college basketball, good rule for the NBA. The thing about it is the NBA has a right to make whatever rule they want, and why should they give a crap about what's good for college basketball?

 

[sdcloud9]

The NBA has what it wants with the one and done rule.

It uses college basketball as a developmental league they don't spend one dollar to support (whereas they would spend tons if kids could come out right after high school into either the NBA or a developmental (minor) league).

At least the NFL requires players to be in school three years before turning professional.

I'm just glad that Selvey got all his course work done two months early, lol.

 

[sperry]

One and done is good for the NBA, but it is killing college basketball. I think that you should be able to go pro after high school, but if you sign with a school it is a two year commitment. The NBA is using college as a testing ground so they dont have as big of a risk drafting high school kids.

This isn't remotely true. Over the past 3 drafts there have been very few high profile one and dones, and basically all of them have been Calipari's crew. This year will be no different.

2010 Lottery:

1. John Wall- Calipari guy
2. Evan Turner- Not a freshman
3. Derrick Favors- One and done
4. Wesley Johnson- Not a freshman
5. DeMarcus cousins- Calipari guy
6. Ekpe Udoh- Not a freshman
7. Greg Monroe- Not a freshman
8. Al Faroug- Al-Aminu- Not a freshman.
9. Gordon Heyward- Not a freshman
10. Paul George- Not a freshman.
11. Cole Aldrich- Not a freshman
12. Xavier- one and done
13. Ed Davis- Not a freshman
14. Pattrick Patterson- Not a freshman

2009 Lottery
1. Blake Griffin- Not a freshman
2. Hasheem Thabeet- Not a freshman
3. James Harden- Not a freshman
4. Tyreke Evans- Calipari guy
5. Ricky Rubio- International
6. Johnny Flynn- not a freshman
7. Steph Curry- not a freshman
8. Jordan Hill- not a freshman
9. Demar Derozan- one and done
10. Brandon Jennings- Didn't play college ball
11. Terrence Williams- Not a freshman
12. Gerald Henderson- not a freshman
13. Tyler Hansborough- Not a freshman
14. Earl Clark- Not a freshman


2008 Lottery
1. Derrick Rose- Calipari guy
2. Michael Beasley- one and done
3. O.J. Mayo- one and done
4. Russell Westbrook- not a freshman
5. Kevin Love- one and done
6. Gallinari- International
7. Eric Gordon- one and done
8. Joe Alexander (lol)- not a freshman
9. D.J. Augustin- not a freshman
10. Brook Lopez- not a freshman
11. Jerryd Bayless- one and done
12. Jason Thompson (who?)- not a freshman
13. Brandon Rush- not a freshman
14. Anthony Randolph- one and done




This is not that bad. Basically everyone Calipari signs, plus a few other top guys across the country will leave early, and then several guys who shouldn't leave. However, there were never more then 6 or 7 HS guys, and usually less than that, that declared for the draft when they could, so it's not like there is much of a change there.

Guys like Coach K, Roy Williams, and Bill Self have been able to consistently land top talent that isn't going to bolt after just one year. It's basically just Calipari and some random schools that take the one and dones.

 

[bgrch1350]

One and done is good for the NBA, but it is killing college basketball. I think that you should be able to go pro after high school, but if you sign with a school it is a two year commitment. The NBA is using college as a testing ground so they dont have as big of a risk drafting high school kids.

I don't see how its hurting the college game. Selby came and he left. The only thing that it hurts, whether there is a rule in place or not is how college basketball makes a mockery out of what college truly is..and thats a place to get an education. The rules they have for baseball and football is how it should be across the board. Either one of those works fine.

I just don't see how having a Kevin Durant, Michael Beasley, John Wall, Tyreke Evans, etc... for 1 year in college bringing the game down...b/c I think it makes it more exciting to see these players in college. This new rule is better than the previous one. I personally think that it do everybody good to have it like football...3 years min.

 

[MsProudSooner]

This isn't remotely true. Over the past 3 drafts there have been very few high profile one and dones, and basically all of them have been Calipari's crew. This year will be no different.

2010 Lottery:

1. John Wall- Calipari guy
2. Evan Turner- Not a freshman
3. Derrick Favors- One and done
4. Wesley Johnson- Not a freshman
5. DeMarcus cousins- Calipari guy
6. Ekpe Udoh- Not a freshman
7. Greg Monroe- Not a freshman
8. Al Faroug- Al-Aminu- Not a freshman.
9. Gordon Heyward- Not a freshman
10. Paul George- Not a freshman.
11. Cole Aldrich- Not a freshman
12. Xavier- one and done
13. Ed Davis- Not a freshman
14. Pattrick Patterson- Not a freshman

2009 Lottery
1. Blake Griffin- Not a freshman
2. Hasheem Thabeet- Not a freshman
3. James Harden- Not a freshman
4. Tyreke Evans- Calipari guy
5. Ricky Rubio- International
6. Johnny Flynn- not a freshman
7. Steph Curry- not a freshman
8. Jordan Hill- not a freshman
9. Demar Derozan- one and done
10. Brandon Jennings- Didn't play college ball
11. Terrence Williams- Not a freshman
12. Gerald Henderson- not a freshman
13. Tyler Hansborough- Not a freshman
14. Earl Clark- Not a freshman


2008 Lottery
1. Derrick Rose- Calipari guy
2. Michael Beasley- one and done
3. O.J. Mayo- one and done
4. Russell Westbrook- not a freshman
5. Kevin Love- one and done
6. Gallinari- International
7. Eric Gordon- one and done
8. Joe Alexander (lol)- not a freshman
9. D.J. Augustin- not a freshman
10. Brook Lopez- not a freshman
11. Jerryd Bayless- one and done
12. Jason Thompson (who?)- not a freshman
13. Brandon Rush- not a freshman
14. Anthony Randolph- one and done




This is not that bad. Basically everyone Calipari signs, plus a few other top guys across the country will leave early, and then several guys who shouldn't leave. However, there were never more then 6 or 7 HS guys, and usually less than that, that declared for the draft when they could, so it's not like there is much of a change there.

Guys like Coach K, Roy Williams, and Bill Self have been able to consistently land top talent that isn't going to bolt after just one year. It's basically just Calipari and some random schools that take the one and dones.

The one and done rule is devastating to any school who ends up with knuckleheads who think they are ready for the NBA when they aren't even remotely ready - players like Gallon and TMG.

 

[MNsooner]

The one and done rule is devastating to any school who ends up with knuckleheads who think they are ready for the NBA when they aren't even remotely ready - players like Gallon and TMG.

It is true that there is some value in having those type of guys get told by NBA scouts that they aren't ready. It makes them more likely to see college as a developmental experience rather than red tape. However, I am not sure either way makes them more likely to take their education seriously.

 

[sperry]

The one and done rule is devastating to any school who ends up with knuckleheads who think they are ready for the NBA when they aren't even remotely ready - players like Gallon and TMG.

Tiny Gallon wanted to come back, but couldn't due to the NCAA stuff. I don't think there is any indidcation that TMG would have been academically eligible for a 2nd year. I liked Coach Capel and wish he had gotten more time, but the deciding factor in him not being back is recruiting those two idiots. Even if you were required to stay two years in school, it's doubtful either of them would be back for a second.

 

[seniorsooner]

I don't care what the rule was TMG was not coming back to OU. College just wasn't for him.

 

[Perk's Scowl]

This isn't remotely true. Over the past 3 drafts there have been very few high profile one and dones, and basically all of them have been Calipari's crew. This year will be no different.

2010 Lottery:

1. John Wall- Calipari guy
2. Evan Turner- Not a freshman
3. Derrick Favors- One and done
4. Wesley Johnson- Not a freshman
5. DeMarcus cousins- Calipari guy
6. Ekpe Udoh- Not a freshman
7. Greg Monroe- Not a freshman
8. Al Faroug- Al-Aminu- Not a freshman.
9. Gordon Heyward- Not a freshman
10. Paul George- Not a freshman.
11. Cole Aldrich- Not a freshman
12. Xavier- one and done
13. Ed Davis- Not a freshman
14. Pattrick Patterson- Not a freshman

2009 Lottery
1. Blake Griffin- Not a freshman
2. Hasheem Thabeet- Not a freshman
3. James Harden- Not a freshman
4. Tyreke Evans- Calipari guy
5. Ricky Rubio- International
6. Johnny Flynn- not a freshman
7. Steph Curry- not a freshman
8. Jordan Hill- not a freshman
9. Demar Derozan- one and done
10. Brandon Jennings- Didn't play college ball
11. Terrence Williams- Not a freshman
12. Gerald Henderson- not a freshman
13. Tyler Hansborough- Not a freshman
14. Earl Clark- Not a freshman


2008 Lottery
1. Derrick Rose- Calipari guy
2. Michael Beasley- one and done
3. O.J. Mayo- one and done
4. Russell Westbrook- not a freshman
5. Kevin Love- one and done
6. Gallinari- International
7. Eric Gordon- one and done
8. Joe Alexander (lol)- not a freshman
9. D.J. Augustin- not a freshman
10. Brook Lopez- not a freshman
11. Jerryd Bayless- one and done
12. Jason Thompson (who?)- not a freshman
13. Brandon Rush- not a freshman
14. Anthony Randolph- one and done




This is not that bad. Basically everyone Calipari signs, plus a few other top guys across the country will leave early, and then several guys who shouldn't leave. However, there were never more then 6 or 7 HS guys, and usually less than that, that declared for the draft when they could, so it's not like there is much of a change there.

Guys like Coach K, Roy Williams, and Bill Self have been able to consistently land top talent that isn't going to bolt after just one year. It's basically just Calipari and some random schools that take the one and dones.

Dude is a solid pro for the Kings. I agree with your post, though.

 

[sperry]

Dude is a solid pro for the Kings. I agree with your post, though.

Looked him up, and you're right :clap. Not gonna lie, had never heard of him in college, don't remember him being drafted, and they don't exactly show a lot of Kings games on natioinal TV, so that's my excuse.

 

[jmill1200]

The NBA has what it wants with the one and done rule.

It uses college basketball as a developmental league they don't spend one dollar to support (whereas they would spend tons if kids could come out right after high school into either the NBA or a developmental (minor) league).

At least the NFL requires players to be in school three years before turning professional.

I'm just glad that Selvey got all his course work done two months early, lol.

Kids have to be 3years removed from high school, it doesn't matter how many years of school they've attended.

 

[jmill1200]

Tiny had already planned on being a one and done, he spoke about it before he was ever on campus.

Rick Barnes has to be second to coach Cal, as far as one and done goes. He even said that he wanted his players to make it to the league, worse then them winning a national title.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

i disagree. college basketball is about more than making the game more exciting for espn and the rest of the pimps. to me, at least, theres still some satisfaction and enjoyment out of seeing teams come together, work hard hard, and acheive a common goal. im not seeing this with these guys using college as a weigh station for the nba. i think the attitude of hes only here for a year cant help the team including the players that arent "one and done". wouldnt one think that it creates a sense of entitlement? how can a coach build anything when theres a revolving door on the front of the bus?

and i laugh at the argument that college ball is a developmental league for the nba. what exactly is being developed? the players get drafted, many not knowing the basics. they are poor in ball handling, shooting, defensive skills, overall concepts of playing the game, and maybe the most important, maturity and social skills. players like kobe are a rarity. he wasnt your typical hs tp pro player. he had a father that knew the system and kobe was around older, pro minded players from an early age. i just dont see this being good for either side.

jmo.