Fire Porter Moser

[WichitaSooner]

No, Wichita tagged onto the hire after the unexpected Final 4 run. Tang has been clearly worse over the past 3 years. Pretty bad when considering he could handpick anybody after seeing how their coaching career started.

Boulder, is there a way to file a message board restraining order? I am concerned for my safety -- dude probably has alerts on his phone to make sure he remembers to mention me at least 10 times a day.

Also, in your attempt to make fun of me, you got your facts wrong in the first sentence of your post. Well done.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Hindsight is 20/20, but there is just not much defensive talent on this team outside of Tae Davis. This team is 128th in defense on KenPom. Porter hasn't had a defense worse than 60th while he's been here.

I don't think he forgot how to coach defense. At the same time, he's responsible for the roster, and shouldn't be left off the hook for putting together a poor defensive roster. This is Porter's most talented team on offense, but not on both sides of the ball. I also think having a good defense is more than just coaching it. Offensive strategy is becoming similar at all levels. Spread pick n' roll, create advantages, and get shots at the rim or 3. Teams have to guard more space than before, and that requires having the right players/athletes to do it at a high level.

Jones is the best defender on the team and it is really not that close .. and Wague is the second best ..

 

[BoulderSooner]

Boulder, is there a way to file a message board restraining order? I am concerned for my safety -- dude probably has alerts on his phone to make sure he remembers to mention me at least 10 times a day.

Also, in your attempt to make fun of me, you got your facts wrong in the first sentence of your post. Well done.

i mean there is an ignore feature that I fully endorse ..

 

[Eielson]

Boulder, is there a way to file a message board restraining order? I am concerned for my safety -- dude probably has alerts on his phone to make sure he remembers to mention me at least 10 times a day.

Also, in your attempt to make fun of me, you got your facts wrong in the first sentence of your post. Well done.

I wasn't making fun of you. Just recalling your past predictions, which given your track record, I can see how it comes off the same.

As an OU fan, I think very little about KSU, so I was off by one game. But of course, given the rivalry you have with them, KU fans remember more vividly. Thanks for the clarification!

 

[allday92]

Those first two everybody should be capable of learning. That isn't talent for a reasonably athletic college basketball player. The latter two, I'd still argue it's more coaching/effort, but I'll cede those aren't as black and white.

I still think the poor defense is just the tone Moser set for the season. He emphasized offense and shooting, thought we could outscore folks, and for most of the season was wrong. This should have been a pretty good defensive team, but it would have needed to come from Moser emphasizing that.

Do you honestly think Kelvin couldn't have this same roster playing top 25 defense within a few weeks? He'd simply demand it.

Yes, I don't believe Kelvin would have this team as a top 25 defense. For this team to be a top 25 defense, you're benching your top offensive players. They would go from a top 25 offense to a top 100 offense. Nijel Pack is turning 25 in May, Mo Wague is 26, Tae Davis is 23 - these guys are finished products as college basketball players. I will say that Sampson would have a big impact on Derrion Reid's development.

 

[allday92]

I see your point, my counter to that is mostly anecdotal.

I have played with and coached young guys who have little to no offensive talent, that become the best defenders and key pieces of teams bc of effort. Rebounding and defense is all effort. So when you have teams that CONSTANTLY allow high 2P% pentration and little to no give on stopping that, play after play after play...it is coaching and effort.

You give me a Top-25 talented roster, Ill give you a junkyard dawg defense. Being sub-50 is lazy, being sub-100 is abhorrent.

I don't disagree. This team should be a little better and should have better effort. I think true skill development happens year over year when player's stick around. When you basically have a new roster every year, how much skill development can you really do? These are all problems for the next coach to figure out I guess.

 

[WichitaSooner]

The defense was/is bad because of effort, and when a team consistently plays with poor effort, that means the coach isn't demanding better effort. The coach also is 100 percent in control of the defensive system. Moser has used his laughable DCO slogan for either two or three seasons now, while actively coaching a style that, by its very design, does not create turnovers. No team playing us has to be remotely worried that we are going to pressure them (either full court or in the halfcourt). And since we obviously don't play with enough effort or focus to simply be good fundamentally for the entire shot clock, it seems like maybe we should at least try to force turnovers.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Being a smart defender is a talent. Being able to navigate through screens is a talent. Offensive/defensive rebounding is a talent. Rim protection is a talent.

Totally disagree. Its almost all effort/want to, not talent. Porter moron does not demand these things and does not hold them accountable, so therefore we dont do them

 

[hoopsaustin]

No, Wichita tagged onto the hire after the unexpected Final 4 run. Tang has been clearly worse over the past 3 years. Pretty bad when considering he could handpick anybody after seeing how their coaching career started.

Sure. But overall Tang's regime out performed Moron's regime

 

[hoopsaustin]

I see your point, my counter to that is mostly anecdotal.

I have played with and coached young guys who have little to no offensive talent, that become the best defenders and key pieces of teams bc of effort. Rebounding and defense is all effort. So when you have teams that CONSTANTLY allow high 2P% pentration and little to no give on stopping that, play after play after play...it is coaching and effort.

You give me a Top-25 talented roster, Ill give you a junkyard dawg defense. Being sub-50 is lazy, being sub-100 is abhorrent.

This guy knows ball. Anything else is just excuses for porter moron..

oh PM doesnt have size? Who picked the short players? Oh theyve just never been good at defense? Who picked the non-defensive/lazy players?

 

[hoopsaustin]

Yes, I don't believe Kelvin would have this team as a top 25 defense. For this team to be a top 25 defense, you're benching your top offensive players. They would go from a top 25 offense to a top 100 offense. Nijel Pack is turning 25 in May, Mo Wague is 26, Tae Davis is 23 - these guys are finished products as college basketball players. I will say that Sampson would have a big impact on Derrion Reid's development.

You undersell a great coach.. nijel pack would have learned defense or he would have sat all year... something tells me he would bought in considering its his last year and its his audition for which level of euro-ball he'll land in...

but then again, there's jayden ott too. That poon gave up his football career bc hes charmin soft.

 

[Eielson]

Sure. But overall Tang's regime out performed Moron's regime

Yes, he had a great first season with a guy he inherited and a cardiac arrest guy nobody else was willing to touch. After that, it was a complete failure.

 

[allday92]

You undersell a great coach.. nijel pack would have learned defense or he would have sat all year... something tells me he would bought in considering its his last year and its his audition for which level of euro-ball he'll land in...

but then again, there's jayden ott too. That poon gave up his football career bc hes charmin soft.

That point is acknowledged in my post? You can bench Pack, do you have a replacement level offensive player coming off the bench to keep the offense afloat? No..the offense would then crater from top 25 to top 100. And having a poor offense will negatively impact your defense stats as well.

I don't care how bought in Pack is, he isn't guarding a NBA level guard. And there's quite a few in this league.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Yes, he had a great first season with a guy he inherited and a cardiac arrest guy nobody else was willing to touch. After that, it was a complete failure.

A lot of words for "yes".

 

[hoopsaustin]

That point is acknowledged in my post? You can bench Pack, do you have a replacement level offensive player coming off the bench to keep the offense afloat? No..the offense would then crater from top 25 to top 100. And having a poor offense will negatively impact your defense stats as well.

I don't care how bought in Pack is, he isn't guarding a NBA level guard. And there's quite a few in this league.

He guards nba guards night in & night out? Pack has been dogging it bc he wants pts, that's it

 

[TINY]

Jones is the best defender on the team and it is really not that close ..

And he wasn’t playing for a good portion of the 9 game losing streak. That and not fouling up 3 against midzou will cost Moser his job.

 

[TINY]

He guards nba guards night in & night out? Pack has been dogging it bc he wants pts, that's it

He just doesn’t have the size or lateral quickness to be a good defender. Athleticism and size are the 2 biggest attributes to your defensive ceiling.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Tim Heskett. Kelly Newton. Both guys who played major roles on very good defensive teams under Kelvin. Neither could jump over a phone book and probably would have taken a minute to complete a three-cone drill. But they competed like hell and were able to defend in the Big 12 because . . . well, we know why.

 

[hoopsaustin]

He just doesn’t have the size or lateral quickness to be a good defender. Athleticism and size are the 2 biggest attributes to your defensive ceiling.

I know everyone has limitations but idk if I buy the "he just simply cannot play defense" angle. How can he score then? Only spot up and no shot creation whatsoever with quickness? Bc we know he can do that..

 

[WTSooner]

Yes, I don't believe Kelvin would have this team as a top 25 defense. For this team to be a top 25 defense, you're benching your top offensive players. They would go from a top 25 offense to a top 100 offense. Nijel Pack is turning 25 in May, Mo Wague is 26, Tae Davis is 23 - these guys are finished products as college basketball players. I will say that Sampson would have a big impact on Derrion Reid's development.

We'll just have to disagree. Nobody is a finished product if they haven't been given the right coaching.

I don't have access to the information, but I'd love to see how some of these guys graded out defensively (individually) at their previous stops.

And even if you think Moser got what he could out of them, it's still his roster. One of my biggest complaints has been that he can't build a roster. One year we're too slow, so he gets faster guys the next year. Then those guys aren't tall enough, so he gets more height. Then those guys can't shoot, so he gets more shooting. Then those guys can't play defense. It's one excuse after another.