FT discrepancy and 3 calls I don't understand

[jaymOU]

And here we go! Although it doesn't get us any closer to an answer it certainly helps us understand why this is such a difficult and divisive call.

"Perry,

This is a difficult play to officiate because a lot depends on the nature of the last touch/dribble by B-2.

I’ll take you through the play as best I can.

When the shot is taken by A-1, there is no longer any team control.(Rule 4-9.4.c) When B-1 catches the ball and “throws” it off the leg of A-2, the throw entails control by B-1 and Team B. This Team B control continues during the pass from B-1 which goes off the leg of A-2. When B-2, who is in his front court with two feet on the floor, touches and dribbles the ball which has never crossed over the division line, the key to the play arises. If B-2 begins an immediate dribble, then 9-12.3.c applies and there is no backcourt violation. On the other hand, if B-2 touches the ball and then starts a dribble, it would seem to me that 9-12.3.a applies and the result is a backcourt violation since both the player and the ball had been in the front court.

Tough play, but I hope this helps."

Wow. Interesting response, and I would seriously doubt every official would have this understanding of the rule. Pretty cool, he did take a look at the play and write you back. I guess, I can live with it being a violation, but this is just nearly as complicated as what a catch is in the NFL. Sure would be hard to be an official - in any sport at a high level

 

[DenverSooner]

I also find it interesting that he and others so easily conclude directing the ball to the player's leg or in bounds is control. The rules clearly say control is established by holding the ball or dribbling the ball. Is reaching out with one or both hands and sweeping the ball in another direction holding or dribbling?

Ultimately the answer seems to be it is a judgment call and whether you agree or disagree with the official, he did seem to be versed in the rule and possessed discretion to call it either way.

 

[BoulderSooner]

thanks for asking the question perry .. that is interesting stuff ..

 

[perryj74]

I also find it interesting that he and others so easily conclude directing the ball to the player's leg or in bounds is control. The rules clearly say control is established by holding the ball or dribbling the ball. Is reaching out with one or both hands and sweeping the ball in another direction holding or dribbling?

Ultimately the answer seems to be it is a judgment call and whether you agree or disagree with the official, he did seem to be versed in the rule and possessed discretion to call it either way.

As was explained to my be one of the officials I spoke to yesterday there's a difference between a tap and a controlled tap. Multiple players going for a rebound just trying to get a hand on the ball is a tap while a controlled tap was the purposeful redirection of the basketball. The same official said if Cousins just lets the ball go out of bounds it's OU basketball and all of this could have been avoided lol.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

So cousins could have called a timeout while throwing the ball backwards and been granted it?

 

[opsooner]

And here we go! Although it doesn't get us any closer to an answer it certainly helps us understand why this is such a difficult and divisive call.

.......

Tough play, but I hope this helps."

No kidding. The part about whether B-2 dribbles immediately or not doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It was making sense to me until that part.

 

[hoopsaustin]

No kidding. The part about whether B-2 dribbles immediately or not doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It was making sense to me until that part.

exactly.. this is retarded. whether he immediately dribbles vs getting control then dribbling? what kind of rules are these where players would have to make such precise decisions to benefit in mid-game?

Rules shouldnt be so murky and convoluted that players wont know them.. Rule should be the ball has to at one point cross the line. the end

 

[campbest]

I also find it interesting that he and others so easily conclude directing the ball to the player's leg or in bounds is control. The rules clearly say control is established by holding the ball or dribbling the ball. Is reaching out with one or both hands and sweeping the ball in another direction holding or dribbling?

As was explained to my be one of the officials I spoke to yesterday there's a difference between a tap and a controlled tap. Multiple players going for a rebound just trying to get a hand on the ball is a tap while a controlled tap was the purposeful redirection of the basketball.

Precisely, take this scenario.

OU takes a jumpshot, misses and Spangler makes a controlled tip on the rebound in an attempt to score, but is fouled. OU is in the one-and-one. So do you shoot the one-and-one or two shots?

You shoot two, because even though there is no team control after the initial shot is released, a controlled tip re-establishes the control and Spangler would shoot two. If a controlled tip did not constitute team control, it would be a one-and-one.