GAME 24 - OKLAHOMA (11-12) @ #15 VANDERBILT (19-3) 2:30pm CST on SEC NETWORK

This is it.

Could we get to 17-18 wins? Yeah, it's possible because the talent is there, and this team has the ability to win 17-18-even 19 games.

But that is the problem. They have the ability but don't perform to that ability. And it's not a one year thing. The games, progression, and outcomes are a pattern for now 5 years. And , IMO, from going to games and seeing Moser pace the sidelines (or even seeing what you can on TV), it's his nervous energy and total control/interaction at every moment of the game that causes the mental and physical late game issues. The team has no confidence in what to do or what they do because of PM's reactions.

I'm sure Denny didn't want to come in and fire a coach, but no doubt he can see the pattern, too. And if he can't, $$ or season ticket sales and BMDs will remind him.
At the end of the day, it's the money. 9,000 season tickets to 4,000 season tickets sold tells the story. That's not all on the Thunder getting good again. That's about the poor and inconsistent product at LNC. The market (fan base, donors) has spoken.
 
Just my opinions:

The team has under performed relative to their talent this year. Period.

Disagree that has been true in previous years. In my opinion, the issues have been more about talent and lack of retention.

Previous lack of retention has been mostly due to a lack of NIL funds (my guess). But, I don't have enough information to really know and I doubt many of you do either.

Old coaches tend to do things the way they learned and the way they have always done it. Worked perhaps and is a lot easier and less effort than self evaluation, learning and applying new theories. Moser is stuck on how he plays the last 5 minutes of a game and it is wrong and he is going to keep banging his head against the wall until his skull fractures. The definition of stupid is "doing the things the same way and expecting a different result". At this level with the type of talent he is facing, this is NBA lite and he has to understand that. You can not quit playing offense with 5 minutes to go, or 4 minutes to go, or 3 minutes to go, and probably even 2 minutes to go. He does. The preseason practice I got to watch last year I told you guys about, was actually an internal team scrimmage. The scrimmage was actually 8 four minute scrimmages. Each scrimmage was played as the last 4 minutes of a game. Kept score and had SEC officials calling the game. Assistants acted as coaches, each scrimmage was played out like a real game. With each scrimmage, players were given different amounts of fouls, etc. He was clearly trying to recreate every possible situation that could exist and play it out. He worked both teams in the scrimmage. During time outs and after each scrimmage he coached the kids on the mental aspect of how they played. It mostly revolved around how much time they used before a shot. Behind, play quicker on offense. Ahead, play slower on offense. When the shot clock, fully used, would result in a win regardless of how successful the other team was on offense would result in a win, he just played the clock. Meaning limit offense to layups and/or free throws. Not knowing much about coaching, it seemed to make perfect sense to me. But, watching it play out the last couple years, I think this is a flawed theory and has resulted, particularly, this year in a lot of these late comebacks/collapses. These crazy late comebacks can only occur when we go without scoring at all and they score a bunch. I think Moser may have had success using his approach with lesser competition, but at this level, the talent is so great, he just ends up fighting the last 5 minutes or so with the hands of his team tied behind their backs. In short, it seems to me he needs to evolve or coach at a lower level. In the NBA, they never quit playing offense until just a few seconds left.

I like porter generally, and don't think he has done a bad job considering what he has been given to work with and other circumstances that have been present, but if I am Joe or the new AD, I am either going to go in a different direction, after the season, or at a minimum, get some trusted basketball minds, look at some tape of our worst losses, get a handle on changes that he needs to make, and then have a sit down with him and see if he is fixed on doing it his way or willing to make some changes.

I would consider keeping Moser for the reasons that he has never had a team quit on him. Important to me in this evaluation. He is working on the cheap. And, I think that with a decent big, and perhaps a player or two, there is reason to think he would have a vastly different record this year and overall.
 
Just my opinions:

The team has under performed relative to their talent this year. Period.

Disagree that has been true in previous years. In my opinion, the issues have been more about talent and lack of retention.

Previous lack of retention has been mostly due to a lack of NIL funds (my guess). But, I don't have enough information to really know and I doubt many of you do either.

Old coaches tend to do things the way they learned and the way they have always done it. Worked perhaps and is a lot easier and less effort than self evaluation, learning and applying new theories. Moser is stuck on how he plays the last 5 minutes of a game and it is wrong and he is going to keep banging his head against the wall until his skull fractures. The definition of stupid is "doing the things the same way and expecting a different result". At this level with the type of talent he is facing, this is NBA lite and he has to understand that. You can not quit playing offense with 5 minutes to go, or 4 minutes to go, or 3 minutes to go, and probably even 2 minutes to go. He does. The preseason practice I got to watch last year I told you guys about, was actually an internal team scrimmage. The scrimmage was actually 8 four minute scrimmages. Each scrimmage was played as the last 4 minutes of a game. Kept score and had SEC officials calling the game. Assistants acted as coaches, each scrimmage was played out like a real game. With each scrimmage, players were given different amounts of fouls, etc. He was clearly trying to recreate every possible situation that could exist and play it out. He worked both teams in the scrimmage. During time outs and after each scrimmage he coached the kids on the mental aspect of how they played. It mostly revolved around how much time they used before a shot. Behind, play quicker on offense. Ahead, play slower on offense. When the shot clock, fully used, would result in a win regardless of how successful the other team was on offense would result in a win, he just played the clock. Meaning limit offense to layups and/or free throws. Not knowing much about coaching, it seemed to make perfect sense to me. But, watching it play out the last couple years, I think this is a flawed theory and has resulted, particularly, this year in a lot of these late comebacks/collapses. These crazy late comebacks can only occur when we go without scoring at all and they score a bunch. I think Moser may have had success using his approach with lesser competition, but at this level, the talent is so great, he just ends up fighting the last 5 minutes or so with the hands of his team tied behind their backs. In short, it seems to me he needs to evolve or coach at a lower level. In the NBA, they never quit playing offense until just a few seconds left.

I like porter generally, and don't think he has done a bad job considering what he has been given to work with and other circumstances that have been present, but if I am Joe or the new AD, I am either going to go in a different direction, after the season, or at a minimum, get some trusted basketball minds, look at some tape of our worst losses, get a handle on changes that he needs to make, and then have a sit down with him and see if he is fixed on doing it his way or willing to make some changes.

I would consider keeping Moser for the reasons that he has never had a team quit on him. Important to me in this evaluation. He is working on the cheap. And, I think that with a decent big, and perhaps a player or two, there is reason to think he would have a vastly different record this year and overall.
Crazy.

Moser is the same coach he's been his entire career, which is a coach that finishes below .500 in conference play FAR more often then not.

Nothing has changed in his time at OU if you consider his entire career before getting to OU and not just his last couple of seasons at Loyola.
 
Just my opinions:

The team has under performed relative to their talent this year. Period.

...

I would consider keeping Moser for the reasons that he has never had a team quit on him. Important to me in this evaluation. He is working on the cheap. And, I think that with a decent big, and perhaps a player or two, there is reason to think he would have a vastly different record this year and overall.
Agreed, the team has under-perfomred relative to their talent this year, but I'm not sure if it's by THAT much. While at OU, Porter hasn't had a defense below 60th in KenPom, this year we are 141st. Porter is responsible for the roster, and he got bad defensive players from the portal. Additionally, they are just bad passing team.

If he is given the opportunity to stay (which I don't think he should), at the bare minimum they need to hire a GM. Now that everyone is getting 5,6,7 years in college basketball and pro-experience is allowed -- you don't have as much time to develop guys. You need to find proven players with defined skills. Either the guy can do "x" or he can't. I'd much prefer a GM making this decision of who to get rather than the head coach.
 
Agreed, the team has under-perfomred relative to their talent this year, but I'm not sure if it's by THAT much. While at OU, Porter hasn't had a defense below 60th in KenPom, this year we are 141st. Porter is responsible for the roster, and he got bad defensive players from the portal. Additionally, they are just bad passing team.

If he is given the opportunity to stay (which I don't think he should), at the bare minimum they need to hire a GM. Now that everyone is getting 5,6,7 years in college basketball and pro-experience is allowed -- you don't have as much time to develop guys. You need to find proven players with defined skills. Either the guy can do "x" or he can't. I'd much prefer a GM making this decision of who to get rather than the head coach.
How many SEC teams have basketball only GM's? Honest question.
 
Crazy.

Moser is the same coach he's been his entire career, which is a coach that finishes below .500 in conference play FAR more often then not.

Nothing has changed in his time at OU if you consider his entire career before getting to OU and not just his last couple of seasons at Loyola.
15/22 season as HC hes had a losing conference record...
 
15/22 season as HC hes had a losing conference record...
But just think of how much NIL programs like Missouri State, Drake, and SIU had while he was at Illinois State. "It's not fair!"" Also, I'm sure the committee screwed him one of the years he was under .500 in the Valley of Death.
 
How many SEC teams have basketball only GM's? Honest question.
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Went down a rabbit hole and it looks like 50% of the league has a staff member with a title of 'General Manager'/'Director of Scouting'/'Director of Recruitment'

Then I started to look at all of the assistant coaching and support staff, and noticed the majority of the league has gone to 5 full time assistant coaches. I looked at support staff as well, and majority of the teams are 10+. I put an asterisk on Florida's number, because they only listed 5 people, but their site doesn't have the full list (ex: no mention of video coordinators).

Overall point: general manager/scouting specific roles are needed, and staff sizes are increasing. The next coach will ask for the same, because he probably has an agent who is tracking things like this..
 
I think multiple things are all true at once.
1. That was an epically bad collapse and we are very fortunate to have won the game.
2. Moser proved, once again, that he is a horrendous late game coach.
3. We did much better during the crucial end of first/ start of 2nd half period of the game.
4. This team has not quit on themselves or on Coach Moser.

There is an opportunity on Saturday to keep fighting and build some positive momentum. I wouldn't bet too much on that becoming a reality, but the Vandy game was a refreshing reminder that the talent is there for that.

Boomer M*****f****** Sooner!!!
 
15/22 season as HC hes had a losing conference record...
Something I'm learning from following coaching searches:

It's important to check the coach's all-time record in regular season conference games. This indicates how he does against his peers and against schools that have reasonably similar budgets. High majors can buy games, inflating the coach's record (like Porter at OU). Mid and low majors have to play a certain amount of buy games on the road to fund all or part of the program, taking losses in the process. Conference games matter when evaluating a coach or a program.

With that in mind, when considering coaches from one-bid leagues: there are good coaches that can't get lucky for three consecutive days in March in their conference tournament in order to qualify for the NCAA tournament. Some have good teams that don't make it yet later have inferior teams that go on a run in March and make the Big Dance. There is nothing harder than trying to win three games in a row in a one-bid league just to make it to the tournament. If a coach is consistently finishing at or near the top of his league but not breaking through, there's still a good chance he can translate that success to a better league and earn an at-large bid. However, it's also super hard to sell a coach that has few or no NCAA appearances to donors and fans.
 
Just glad we were up 21 and not 13/14/16… as in other games. Would have gotten beat.

Fire moser…
 
Amazing how much better we played on both ends of the floor:

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Just my opinions:

The team has under performed relative to their talent this year. Period.

Disagree that has been true in previous years. In my opinion, the issues have been more about talent and lack of retention.

Previous lack of retention has been mostly due to a lack of NIL funds (my guess). But, I don't have enough information to really know and I doubt many of you do either.

Old coaches tend to do things the way they learned and the way they have always done it. Worked perhaps and is a lot easier and less effort than self evaluation, learning and applying new theories. Moser is stuck on how he plays the last 5 minutes of a game and it is wrong and he is going to keep banging his head against the wall until his skull fractures. The definition of stupid is "doing the things the same way and expecting a different result". At this level with the type of talent he is facing, this is NBA lite and he has to understand that. You can not quit playing offense with 5 minutes to go, or 4 minutes to go, or 3 minutes to go, and probably even 2 minutes to go. He does. The preseason practice I got to watch last year I told you guys about, was actually an internal team scrimmage. The scrimmage was actually 8 four minute scrimmages. Each scrimmage was played as the last 4 minutes of a game. Kept score and had SEC officials calling the game. Assistants acted as coaches, each scrimmage was played out like a real game. With each scrimmage, players were given different amounts of fouls, etc. He was clearly trying to recreate every possible situation that could exist and play it out. He worked both teams in the scrimmage. During time outs and after each scrimmage he coached the kids on the mental aspect of how they played. It mostly revolved around how much time they used before a shot. Behind, play quicker on offense. Ahead, play slower on offense. When the shot clock, fully used, would result in a win regardless of how successful the other team was on offense would result in a win, he just played the clock. Meaning limit offense to layups and/or free throws. Not knowing much about coaching, it seemed to make perfect sense to me. But, watching it play out the last couple years, I think this is a flawed theory and has resulted, particularly, this year in a lot of these late comebacks/collapses. These crazy late comebacks can only occur when we go without scoring at all and they score a bunch. I think Moser may have had success using his approach with lesser competition, but at this level, the talent is so great, he just ends up fighting the last 5 minutes or so with the hands of his team tied behind their backs. In short, it seems to me he needs to evolve or coach at a lower level. In the NBA, they never quit playing offense until just a few seconds left.

I like porter generally, and don't think he has done a bad job considering what he has been given to work with and other circumstances that have been present, but if I am Joe or the new AD, I am either going to go in a different direction, after the season, or at a minimum, get some trusted basketball minds, look at some tape of our worst losses, get a handle on changes that he needs to make, and then have a sit down with him and see if he is fixed on doing it his way or willing to make some changes.

I would consider keeping Moser for the reasons that he has never had a team quit on him. Important to me in this evaluation. He is working on the cheap. And, I think that with a decent big, and perhaps a player or two, there is reason to think he would have a vastly different record this year and overall.
Nope, he’s a terrible coach and they should have already fired him
 
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