I can't believe coach won't hit the magic button

[Cheno]

BTW, did you notice after Tony fouled out, neither Capel nor any coaching staff greeted and hug/shake hands with Tony on the sideline? What kind of coaching staff are these? I completely lost failth in Capel after this game.

If this is true, there really is no excuse for this. This was T Crock's last game in the LNC and he deserved better.

 

[Big Old Booger]

If this is true, there really is no excuse for this. This was T Crock's last game in the LNC and he deserved better.

From watching it on TV, they didn't go to the sideline until Crocker was well past Capel and was about to sit down. Those at the game obviously saw what really happened and whether the coaches said anything to Crocker.

I'm sure if they didn't say something when he came out, they probably caught him later.

 

[FaithfulSooner]

Boy how some have short term memory. One bad season and the coach is no good and the players are the worst ever. I for one am glad this season is over. I think Coach Capel has a tough job to do in the off season because he has to decide what pieces fit on this team. The good news is that I think there are only a 2-3 bad apples on this team that may be better served somewhere else. Everyone else is serviceable or can help this team next year. Let's go to the tourney and play our hearts out. Then lets come back home and do some housecleaning to get ready for next year. I support this program and our Coach 100%. BOOMER SOONER BABY!!!

 

[SilliSooner]

I've never argued we are a bad program, which is why I say it's embarrassing to get swept by aTm, Baylor and Tech, chief.

We were bad this year but we're not a bad program. But here's the kicker: there are no bad programs in the Big 12. The best players in the country play in the Big 12 every year. It's a competitive player stocked league. How do we prove this? Consider this: two players from the worst teams in the league were mentioned as pre-season AAs, even as players of the year - Willie Warren and Craig Brackins.

Need more proof? Wesley Johnson, a mediocre player in the Big 12 (he was honorable mention all-B12 as a soph) transfers to the Big East - Syracuse - and now he's first team All-American. Is he that much better or is the competition a little softer? I think it's the latter. Last year we dismantled pretty much the same Syracuse team, except this year's Cuse has Wesley Johnson instead of Jonny Flynn. I think Flynn is better than Johnson and I would rather have him but since Johnson honed his teeth on B12 comp he's making them tougher. A team we clobbered in the tourney is now considered # 1 in the country.

Let me repeat. A mediocre player from the Big 12 transfers to the Big East where he blows up under East coast media exposure and is now considered the best player on the # 1 team in the country. He was with what you like to call a bad team in the Big 12. Let me repeat - there are no bad programs in the Big 12.

If Terrence Jones made his way into our conference he would competing against the best players in the country.

 

[Big Old Booger]

We were bad this year but we're not a bad program. But here's the kicker: there are no bad programs in the Big 12. The best players in the country play in the Big 12 every year. It's a competitive player stocked league. How do we prove this? Consider this: two players from the worst teams in the league were mentioned as pre-season AAs, even as players of the year - Willie Warren and Craig Brackins.

Need more proof? Wesley Johnson, a mediocre player in the Big 12 (he was honorable mention all-B12 as a soph) transfers to the Big East - Syracuse - and now he's first team All-American. Is he that much better or is the competition a little softer? I think it's the latter. Last year we dismantled pretty much the same Syracuse team, except this year's Cuse has Wesley Johnson instead of Jonny Flynn. I think Flynn is better than Johnson and I would rather have him but since Johnson honed his teeth on B12 comp he's making them tougher. A team we clobbered in the tourney is now considered # 1 in the country.

Let me repeat. A mediocre player from the Big 12 transfers to the Big East where he blows up under East coast media exposure and is now considered the best player on the # 1 team in the country. He was with what you like to call a bad team in the Big 12. Let me repeat - there are no bad programs in the Big 12.

If Terrence Jones made his way into our conference he would competing against the best players in the country.

Wesley Johnson was never "mediocre" in the Big 12. He was a stud his frosh year and then transferred to Syracuse. ISU fans will tell you his leaving was the reason their teams are so bad because him and Brackins together is a formidable team. I'd argue he had almost as good of a freshman season as WW did except on a worse team.

This from Wikipedia about his frosh year at ISU:

As a freshman at Iowa State, Johnson was named to the Big 12 all-Rookie team and earned honorable mention freshman All-America honors after averaging 12.3 points and 7.9 rebounds, starting 30 of 31 games. Johnson's highlights from his freshman year included 14 points and 13 rebounds in win again Missouri, including the game-winner on a tip-in with 1.6 seconds left. He also scored 17 points at No. 10 Texas A&M

And, the Big 12 has some bad programs. CU, NU, Tech, aTm, and Baylor. Granted, the last 2 are improving, but they aren't on the same level as KU, Texas, OU, and OSU. These are the 4 best basketball programs in the conference and it's really not close.

 

[HoHum]

Why did they fire Wayne Morgan (right?) again? He wasn't a great coach, but he got some good talent to ISU. Stinson, Blalock, Johnson. He had some decent teams.

 

[MsProudSooner]

So in womens basketball I guess Nebraska's program will be better than OU's next year? Or, are we living in the past?

In football, I guess Texas has a better program than OU now?

Are you talking about a 'team' or a 'program'?

I have no problem saying that Nebraska is a better team than we are this year. For one program to be better than another, there has to be continued excellence.

One good year doesn't make a program good just as one bad year doesn't make a program bad.

 

[Sooner Quick]

From watching it on TV, they didn't go to the sideline until Crocker was well past Capel and was about to sit down. Those at the game obviously saw what really happened and whether the coaches said anything to Crocker.

I'm sure if they didn't say something when he came out, they probably caught him later.

You are correct. I was behind the bench and I can tell you Capel did grab him and whispered in his ear but the guy had just fouled out, with tons of time in the game, in his last home game as a Sooner and he was extremely upset, not exactly the time to embrace someone because he didn't want any part of it!

 

[coolm]

I think what Sooners fan want is to see a group of guys that gives max effort all the time, plays together as a team, plays unselfishly, has at least SOME chemistry on and off the court, has good body language on the court, acts and represents OU appropriately, etc. To me that is what people what. That is what I want to see. To make light of this season and to act like Sooner fans, by most part, are expecting to much is beyond me. We just expect a bunch of guys to act like a team on and off the court.
Sorry that's too much to expect.

OMG don't even go there!

We had that before and it just wasn't enough for everyone.

 

[SoonerfanTU]

OMG don't even go there!

We had that before and it just wasn't enough for everyone.

It was enough for "most" of the fans that count.

 

[OKUman]

This coach will get another year to try and get a better result. However if OU ever wants to be a basketball program with respect Nationally, they need to hire a big time coach and pay him what he wants. Joe tried to hit another homer with Capel just like he did with Stoops, but missed by a wide margin I think.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Are you talking about a 'team' or a 'program'?

I have no problem saying that Nebraska is a better team than we are this year. For one program to be better than another, there has to be continued excellence.

One good year doesn't make a program good just as one bad year doesn't make a program bad.

You tell me. You said:

When we walk on the court against Baylor or A&M in 2010, we play against the players and coaches they have TODAY, not the players and coaches they had 5, 10 or 15 years ago.

I was talking about the program but you said I was "living in the past".

aTm and Baylor don't have "continued excellence" which is why they are in the bottom tier of basketball programs in the conference.

 

[Big Old Booger]

OMG don't even go there!

We had that before and it just wasn't enough for everyone.

It was enough for me. I was one of the ones that said "be careful what you wish for"...BTW.

 

[scrybe]

Boy how some have short term memory. One bad season and the coach is no good and the players are the worst ever. I for one am glad this season is over. I think Coach Capel has a tough job to do in the off season because he has to decide what pieces fit on this team. The good news is that I think there are only a 2-3 bad apples on this team that may be better served somewhere else. Everyone else is serviceable or can help this team next year. Let's go to the tourney and play our hearts out. Then lets come back home and do some housecleaning to get ready for next year. I support this program and our Coach 100%. BOOMER SOONER BABY!!!

Thanks, Faithful. That post was like a summer rain. Cleared away some of the hot air that has made breathing difficult lately.

 

[MsProudSooner]

You tell me. You said:



I was talking about the program but you said I was "living in the past".

aTm and Baylor don't have "continued excellence" which is why they are in the bottom tier of basketball programs in the conference.

Historically, A&M and Baylor don't have strong programs. But both have strong teams this year. I just think it doesn't make much sense to denigrate them this year because they were bad in the past.

 

[oketex]

Since Capel can no longer coach, let's just fire him right now and hire one of these know it all's on this board. I am sure there are ten people who think they can do a better job than Capel, buy the way these same 10 people are the ones who were saying that Coach Capel was the next coming just a couple of years ago because of the way he was recruiting.:clap:OU-logo::vitale

 

[SilliSooner]

Wesley Johnson was never "mediocre" in the Big 12. He was a stud his frosh year and then transferred to Syracuse. ISU fans will tell you his leaving was the reason their teams are so bad because him and Brackins together is a formidable team. I'd argue he had almost as good of a freshman season as WW did except on a worse team.

This from Wikipedia about his frosh year at ISU:

You didn't print the entire Wiki. Johnson stayed for his soph year at ISU, had a an average season and lot of injuries and then transferred.

Johnson had a good year as a frosh at ISU but it wasn't what we were used to from freshmen in the Big 12 - namely Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant, DJ Augustine, Sherron Collins, TMG, Bill Walker, Xavier Henry, Michael Beasley, LaMarcus Aldridge, Daniel Gibson. I don't think Johnson's freshman year stacks up against these guys. As a soph, Johnson wasn't one of the top 15 players in the league. Now, he's considered the best player in the Big East.

 

[Sooner Quick]

Just curious, I've seen it mentioned that TMG should have been pulled. Who would you have run point in that situation?

 

[Big Old Booger]

Just curious, I've seen it mentioned that TMG should have been pulled. Who would you have run point in that situation?

Whoever. TJ Franklin, Pledger, whoever could dribble the ball and make a pass.

This type of mentality is why Capel had a bad season. He doesn't discipline TMG by pulling him or holding him out because without TMG we don't have a point and our chances of winning are very slim even against bad competition. The problem is TMG knows this, so he knows he's not going to get disciplined so why not force a shot with 30+ seconds left on the shot clock when you need a score and are still in the game? Coach can't do anything anyway.

This is the problem.

You pull him out and put somebody else in there not named TMG. The team was bad anyway, why not sacrifice a few games that we lost anyway to make a point?

Nobody is more important than the program. Not TMG, not WW, not Blake Griffin, nobody.

 

[Sooner Quick]

Franklin would probably be the best bet, or Crocker/Davis. Pledger would not be a good choice.