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severely BUT,
A few years ago I, at least, wasnt feeling good about the football program. We werent recruiting well. It seemed we got less talented year by year and it showed on the field. I think the same thing is happening with Sherri's teams. However we seem to be as talented as ever but we just seem to me to be slipping a bit. I have no doubt that Sherri is a terrific coach and gets about as much out of her talent as anyone could, but she isnt a great recruiter-just average and it seems to be showing on the court. I want so much to not just do well but to dominate that I get frustrated. Just as with Stoops, new staff is needed.
Thanks for the use of the hall.
 
I like for my favorite teams to win but anyone who feels that it is their right for their favorite teams to be dominant is in for a fair amount of frustration.

Sherri has not had a lot of great recruiting classes. Courtney is about the only one who was highly rated who really performed at that level. Ashley and Abbi O never lived up to the McD all-American ranking. Amanda Thompson came up close. However, there a a lot who were not highly ranked that performed well for OU. DRob, Nye, Caton Hill, and of course Stacey Dales.

It may be that the game has changed. In the late 90's when OU started their run there were a few super teams (UConn, Tennessee and maybe Stanford). Most everyone else was pretty much the same. Now other teams (Notre Dame, Louisville, Baylor) to name a few have joined the elite programs and while UConn is still dominating somewhat it is not as easy as it used to be. Coaching has improved. Some schools have really improved their recruiting white it does not appear that OU has.

This year's incoming group does look a little stronger than last year.
 
Agree too! I have wondered for a while what Jan Ross does?? Sorry she got sick, but we need to move on if she can't contribute??
 
I've been spoiled by Bud, Barry and, to some degree by Bob and now Patty Gasso whose team year before last just killed opponents. I want my university's teams to steamroll opponents. I'm used to it. And I'm greedy, greedy, greedy.
 
severely BUT,
A few years ago I, at least, wasnt feeling good about the football program. We werent recruiting well. It seemed we got less talented year by year and it showed on the field. I think the same thing is happening with Sherri's teams. However we seem to be as talented as ever but we just seem to me to be slipping a bit. I have no doubt that Sherri is a terrific coach and gets about as much out of her talent as anyone could, but she isnt a great recruiter-just average and it seems to be showing on the court. I want so much to not just do well but to dominate that I get frustrated. Just as with Stoops, new staff is needed.
Thanks for the use of the hall.

You won't get chastised from me. Truth is truth. Sherri has proven herself as a coach, no argument from me on that. From a guard stance, she does well getting quality out side help, her weakness or staffs is closing on 4's and 5'. Hopefully we have two decent ones this season, and our recent commitment will pan out too. I'm not ready to throw any one under the bus yet, but if we have a mediocre season again, I am ready for staff changes and a need for a dynamite recruiter to be added. Good post.
 
You won't get chastised from me. Truth is truth. Sherri has proven herself as a coach, no argument from me on that. From a guard stance, she does well getting quality out side help, her weakness or staffs is closing on 4's and 5'. Hopefully we have two decent ones this season, and our recent commitment will pan out too. I'm not ready to throw any one under the bus yet, but if we have a mediocre season again, I am ready for staff changes and a need for a dynamite recruiter to be added. Good post.

I couldn't agree more. It is disheartening to see coaches like Staley, Close, Aston, Walz, etc recruiting like crazy and we are very lucky to sign one top 20 player. When you look at our final fours, that just makes no sense.

Sherri is locked in on keeping her friends as her staff. I think she likes having full control and she knows she can control everything by keeping those close friends around. I do believe she needs a Bob Stoops type shakeup and the quicker the better. However, I'm not holding my breath.

IF Sherri signs a Cox or Holmes, I will gladly say I was wrong.
 
I'm not ready to go one way or another on Sherri's staff. All I have seen as evidence that they may not be up to par is that many have a long time relationship with Sherri. Not a strong bit of evidence to evaluate them.

Who knows what role each is to play and how well they are performing those roles. That would provide some evidence. I'm open to real evidence but I'm not so sure that having close associates on the staff is all bad.

Notre Dame, Duke and Stanford have very strong academic credentials to help them and that is a big deal to the women who have little chance for riches as a pro. I don't give any Texas coach much credit for recruiting. Half the kids in Texas grow up wanting to play for the Longhorns. A TU friend of mine says that for Texas University it is not recruiting but selection. Also she has yet to prove that she can turn her talent into a winner.

The guy at Louisville appears to be a strong recruiter. And Mulkey has done a strong job (however legal) to recruit championship teams to Baylor. South Carolina, North Carolina, UCLA have had strong recruiting classes but we are still waiting to see that turn to results on the floor. Cal has also had some great classes with little to show for it. UNC has certainly had a long run of highly ranked recruiting classes but still falls short of being a perennial strong program.

I do feel that cancelling the summer programs is a step backward. I recall too many of Sherri's strong recruits who attended those camps.
 
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I'm not ready to go one way or another on Sherri's staff. All I have seen as evidence that they may not be up to par is that many have a long time relationship with Sherri. Not a strong bit of evidence to evaluate them.

Who knows what role each is to play and how well they are performing those roles. That would provide some evidence. I'm open to real evidence but I'm not so sure that having close associates on the staff is all bad.

Notre Dame, Duke and Stanford have very strong academic credentials to help them and that is a big deal to the women who have little chance for riches as a pro. I don't give any Texas coach much credit for recruiting. Half the kids in Texas grow up wanting to play for the Longhorns. A TU friend of mine says that for Texas University it is not recruiting but selection. Also she has yet to prove that she can turn her talent into a winner.

The guy at Louisville appears to be a strong recruiter. And Mulkey has done a strong job (however legal) to recruit championship teams to Baylor. South Carolina, North Carolina, UCLA have had strong recruiting classes but we are still waiting to see that turn to results on the floor. Cal has also had some great classes with little to show for it. UNC has certainly had a long run of highly ranked recruiting classes but still falls short of being a perennial strong program.

I do feel that cancelling the summer programs is a step backward. I recall too many of Sherri's strong recruits who attended those camps.

Keep in mind that Aston and Close are new at their schools. I do not accept the premise that at Texas coaches select rather than recruit. Conradt had lost her ability to recruit there. GiGi wasn't able to. But, Aston is kicking butt and Texas has not had any recent success to crow about. Close is the same way. I think any decent coach could win with the talent those coaches are bringing in. I just wish we could get some of that kind of talent to come to OU.
 
You want controversy? I'll give you controversy, as well as a reality check.

Most of the problems that OU has in recruiting have nothing to do with the men's or women's basketball programs. If you look at both programs, neither has had great success at recruiting top prospects unless they came from the State of Oklahoma, and OU has lost a lot of Oklahoma prospects to other schools: Kansas, Duke, UConn, Stanford, etc. The problems associated with the recruiting don't affect football so much because most of the dominant football schools are in the southern states, and the guys have a different mindset. Gymnastics and softball succeed because they can recruit in rather wealthy urban areas.

Oklahoma is ranked pretty close to Mississippi in money spent in education, and the reputation of the state is declining as a result of that and other things. It is becoming recognized as somewhat of an anti-education state. Fortunately, some are beginning to try to change that. But, this is not attractive to recruits.

Some years ago, I brought in a student from Annapolis. He was a good student, but transferred out after one semester. The reason is still significant. He said that he had never been in such a white area. There just wasn't much for an African-American student to do once class was out. Although Norman doesn't share the attitudes of the rest of the state, there just isn't a sufficient draw in the African-American community in Oklahoma.

Basketball is somewhat dependent upon having an environment that is attractive to the urban African-American communities. They want to go where they feel comfortable. For the most part, the best prospects that we have had have not exactly had that problem. They came from money, which provided them with a somewhat different perspective. Bubba Paris and Olajuwon were successful already.

But, we are often in competition with schools that have a large African-American community in the area, like a Louisville, or even a South Carolina. If you haven't noticed, Texas has lost a lot of recruits to the west coast. In football, OU was originally one of the places that African-Americans came to get away from the all-white SEC and SWC. But, those days are basically gone. But, the girls are different from the guys. They are looking at things that the guys don't look for in a community.

You may reject this. It's not my problem. As someone who was probably the first to get a Ph.D. with an African-American major professor at OU, I watched a lot of the African-American community. Given that OU is in the midst of a state which has developed somewhat of an anti-education attitude, I think what Sherri has done is remarkable. But, this does give a slight edge to other schools that might be in competition for the same prospect. The question becomes, "how will I fit in after class." More importantly,, it may well ask "how will I fit in after graduation?"
 
I don't understand the anti-education point. What causes it and how does it manifest itself.

It has been a long time since I have lived in Oklahoma but I don't remember that type of attitude.
 
I would rather let others discuss this issue if they wish. But, Oklahoma's funding per student has actually decreased by 23% since 2008, the most of any state, leaving Oklahoma at about #48. That is only one aspect of the decline in state commitment to education.
http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html

This is true, but with David Boren's leadership and fund raising abilities, OU's academic standing is by far higher than it's ever been in the history of the university. I don't think OUr academic standing is affecting recruiting as much as the a lot of the players Sherri is recruiting and the players she wants are also mostly considering Stanford, Duke, Notre Dame, etc and we lose most, if not all, these recruiting battles based on perceived academic reputations. I don't believe OU's academic standing as a university is negatively affecting recruiting at all.
 
S. Carolina and Louisville don't seem to allow academic rankings affect which kids they sign and those schools are ranked below OU

Texas and UCLA could not sign top players until they changed coaches.

There is a direct correlation between who is doing the recruiting and which kids they sign.

If kids were all that concerned with academic rankings, schools like Northwestern, Rice, and Wake Forest would have awesome basketball programs.
 
As a point to consider---at no time did I mention OU's standards for academic excellence. That is a point for discussion, but not so much in this case. I referred to Oklahoma's reputation as a state.

I will give you one point to ponder. Have any of you ever had the experience of being at an all-African-American sorority or fraternity party as the only caucasian? Think about it. For someone to feel comfortable, they have to feel that there are others with whom they can feel comfortable.
 
As a point to consider---at no time did I mention OU's standards for academic excellence. That is a point for discussion, but not so much in this case. I referred to Oklahoma's reputation as a state.

I will give you one point to ponder. Have any of you ever had the experience of being at an all-African-American sorority or fraternity party as the only caucasian? Think about it. For someone to feel comfortable, they have to feel that there are others with whom they can feel comfortable.

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OU has a higher percentage of blacks enrolled than Texas, Notre Dame, and UCLA. We are about the same in black enrollment as UCONN and Stanford. The majority of our players are black and it sure seems they are happy at OU. I'm not aware that any black player has ever left Sherri's program because of too many whites on campus.

There are a number of universities with black enrollment in excess of 50% but I haven't noticed any of them in the final four.
 
I agree with sybarite, somewhat on this one... Even tho majority of the team is black. In the state of Texas Sherri has had a lot of success getting girls like Nicole Kornet, and Peyton Little, both were the "Christian" type that someone posted Sherri likes her players to be. One of the reasons I thought We could land Cox, I noticed Sherri follows most of the Cox family on twitter, even though we may be in for a battle for Cox vs Baylor, I really like the effort Coale has been putting in with Cox. Sherri has also said she doesn't like recruiting, so I'm sure that's one reason we don't win most of the recruiting battle we face.
 
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