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SoonerNorm said:
Texas has not lived up to expectations, no question about that. When Enemkpali got injured, that was like if we lost Peyton. There was no way they were going to recover from that.

I hope Texas does well in the tourney. Honestly, I hope all of the Big 12 teams who get an invite play really well, yes, that includes Baylor as well. I do not think the Big 12 is all that strong but, I hope they can prove me wrong. If we could get 4 or more teams to the Sweet Sixteen, that would be really good.
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It is imperative that Baylor does well. Otherwise the conference will look really bad.

In some ways getting a low seed - say 12 or so when you should be a 6 or 7 is an advantage. Win game 1 (against a 5 seed - who is about like you) and you are playing a bracket (against a 4 - another team somewhat like you) making it not unreasonable to get you to the sweet 16. Getting a 7 seed means you play a 10 followed by a likely 2 seed matchup. Almost impossible to get to the sweet 16 - if you are really a 7 seed quality team.

Several Big-12 teams may well end up with that 11 or 12 seed advantage (since they probably deserve a higher seed). Note that I'm not saying 12 seeds always have an advantage, but they do in the case where they are under-seeded by quite a bit.
 
SOONERGRAD said:
Do you ever think That coach Coale is "Despised" by others as well? I'm sure Mulkey or Blair or Aston isn't the only ones who are despised. A lot of people despise coach Coale and her recruiting tactics as well. This Board is free to add input on anyone's opinion and I am doing so.

With that being said, do you despise Mulkey or Blair cause all they recruit is Athletic "black" athletes? Who play just a little tougher than our girls and have a good coach and staff who buys in and gets them fired up?
Just an honest question. We have got to stop thinking that Sherri is this innocent God who does no wrong. I am a Die hard OU fan but sorry if my opinions about Other schools and their athletes makes mr or mrs "Sybarite" feel some type of way. This board is open to everyone's input , I gave mine and that's that.

All I'm saying is that dont be so quick to judge a person or coach by what you see on TV or from
hear say. Do you despise them cause Blair and mulkey both have National championships and we don't?
I'm sure I see some in our future with the recruiting classes tho.

But, Actually get to know the person or coach before making that judgement call.
Get to know the players or staff and see what their really like. You do not know what goes on behind the scenes at OU, OSU, BU, A&M and So on. I'm not taking anybody's side. I just add my input Reguardless of how it makes anybody feel. It's my opinion and that is what the boards are for. Don't like it? Don't read it. Simple.
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Absolute nonsense. I despise Mulkey for the same reason that Voepel and the Washington Post writer that wrote of her recruiting violations despise her. I despise her because she didn't bench Griner for throwing a punch until she had to (same reason that I despise the OSU coach that didn't bench Riley), she didn't bench a player for pulling hair, she didn't bench Sims for causing these fights in the first place. I despise her because she wouldn't shake the LSU coach's (Pokey) hand and got in her face. I despise her for the antics that she and her players perform that detract from the game. Black players---I don't know if you have noticed, but we have black players as do UConn and Notre Dame, both of which I admire greatly.

I despise her because she didn't stop her fans from taunting Courtney. I despise her because she fouled Courtney when she was out of bounds, knowing that the officials didn't have the guts to call an intentional foul, to force her to be the one who had to shoot free throws. There are hundreds of reasons to despise Kim Mulkey---including the fact that she misled her own player. Griner obviously had some problems in feeling accepted. She thought she would be accepted by Mulkey because Mulkey recruits some "outcasts." She didn't realize that Mulkey had already had a gay player from a national title team quit the team and Baylor due to lack of acceptance. She was misled, and she wasn't accepted, by either.

Nobody has criticized Aston, Norm. The biggest criticism is that she isn't the wonder that you claimed she was. I made the statement that Sherri has accomplished more, and Sherri is younger. Aston may be a good coach, but their recruiting has not been as all-World as you have claimed.

If you want to worship at the altar of these schools because they won a national title, there is an altar for that. Fortunately, we have a different value system. I think some of the Baylor players would turn out better under Sherri. I don't see how they turn out well-adjusted at all under Kim.
 
tycat947 said:
What's even more outrageous is the bashing of OUr players! That has constantly gone on here when we've had parents post on this board and they could provide great insight, not only about their child, but the program as well but leave because of the disgust of others on this board ripping their child as well as many other players. THAT'S what's truly outrageous!
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I personally feel like saying So and So isn't getting much playing time, or so and so isn't all that good( Coleman) is a player I've said that about here before, isn't the same as saying this player is a thug, or this girl doesn't care about school...

I'd also like to add it annoys me when people make post about putting a poster on ignore... it's almost like your trying to get other people to add that same poster to there ignore list....
 
Mac said:
I personally feel like saying So and So isn't getting much playing time, or so and so isn't all that good( Coleman) is a player I've said that about here before, isn't the same as saying this player is a thug, or this girl doesn't care about school...

I'd also like to add it annoys me when people make post about putting a poster on ignore... it's almost like your trying to get other people to add that same poster to there ignore list....
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Saying "isn't getting much playing time" is not what I'm referring to as ripping a player. There have been much worse comments about OUr players on this board for years! Not necessarily about who they are as individuals but how they play on the court (how terrible they are OR they can't do this and that) is what I'm talking about.

As for Kim, I have no idea what she's like OFF the court. She may be the nicest person you'd ever want to meet but her BEHAVIOR on the court and behind a press conference microphone is atrocious! Period! Her players are the same, they are probably great people. But when they ALL throw their hands up when one is called for a foul and the head coach is leading the hands thrown up, that is bad behavior on the court. However a good coach Kim is, she's ruining that with her bad behavior on the court and behind press conference microphone. It's not just OU fans either. If you look around other women's basketball boards, not even only Big 12, you will find a distaste in their mouths for her behavior that is pretty widespread.

As for Karen, I agree what Syb stated, that at this point she's not the greatest coach since sliced bread. Same with GiGi. It was comical Gail Goestenkors to Texas! OUr days are numbered! We see how that worked out. She had pretty good players too.
 
tycat947 said:
Saying "isn't getting much playing time" is not what I'm referring to as ripping a player. There have been much worse comments about OUr players on this board for years! Not necessarily about who they are as individuals but how they play on the court (how terrible they are OR they can't do this and that) is what I'm talking about.

As for Kim, I have no idea what she's like OFF the court. She may be the nicest person you'd ever want to meet but her BEHAVIOR on the court and behind a press conference microphone is atrocious! Period! Her players are the same, they are probably great people. But when they ALL throw their hands up when one is called for a foul and the head coach is leading the hands thrown up, that is bad behavior on the court. However a good coach Kim is, she's ruining that with her bad behavior on the court and behind press conference microphone. It's not just OU fans either. If you look around other women's basketball boards, not even only Big 12, you will find a distaste in their mouths for her behavior that is pretty widespread.

As for Karen, I agree what Syb stated, that at this point she's not the greatest coach since sliced bread. Same with GiGi. It was comical Gail Goestenkors to Texas! OUr days are numbered! We see how that worked out. She had pretty good players too.
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I have seen many times in which OU players react as if to say, I can't believe you called a foul on me! It is unreasonable to say other players do such and such but fail to mention, oh yeah, our players do the same thing too.

Now that I've said that, I don't have a problem with a player letting an official know they blew it.
 
OK.

Name all of the OU players who have hit a player:

Name all of the OU players who have pulled a player's hair:

Name an OU coach who didn't suspend a player who did this:
 
sybarite said:
OK.

Name all of the OU players who have hit a player:

Name all of the OU players who have pulled a player's hair:

Name an OU coach who didn't suspend a player who did this:
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And after listing those:

Name an OU player who has murdered a teammate. Oh yes, that was not women's basketball.

I believe a lot of these issues are starting with the University's values with respect to sports - and it is not just happening in Women's Basketball. It seems to me that blame has to be placed on the shoulders of the administration. Think about the hit on Trevor last Fall. Think about the hit on Sterling Shepard last year - that left him out with a concussion for 2 or 3 weeks. The most recent allegations involve an apparant booster/interested party providing living facilities FOR A WALK ON. It makes you wonder what could be going with players even more important to the team. Many coaches would take some steps to control that I believe. I may be wrong about this - but I never saw any evidence the administration took any steps to sanction Art about those things, or Kim when she allows things to get out of control on the sideline.

As we all know, sometimes coaches carry far more power than the President, and that may well be the case at Baylor. He may be politically powerless to control it. I have to think he is frustrated with all this, bcause to be fully honest with you, I cannot imagine a President of a University who would not be very unhappy with bad publicity - especially with respect to behavior by players and coaches.

Again, we are not on campus & inside administration meetings/counseling sessions, but I have seen no public statements or apologies. If those steps do not occur, a coach is likely to continue allowing out of control behavior - if it seems to lead to more winning.
 
Oh. I think the President of Baylor is responding to the alumni of Baylor. Kim Mulkey, as much as I despise her, did not just lay out however many millions it cost to built that new stadium. That is something that Jerry Jones would like. Somebody thought football was important.

Historically, I don't think sports was given the kind of support that it now has at Baylor. Grant Teaff did not have improper values that I was aware of. The only thing that I found suspicious about Teaff was that we kept having freshmen linemen transfer to Baylor and starting for two years.

But, this Baylor alumni group seems intent on winning, regardless of what it takes to do so. I don't think it is only women's basketball. As Voepel said, what Kim did happens in other sports, but not in women's basketball. Sally Jennings (Jenkins?) said she just didn't want Mulkey to become the standard and have women's basketball become like everything else.
 
This is not a political board, but the President at Baylor is the one and only Ken Starr, who led the charge to impeach Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair.
 
soonerstar said:
This is not a political board, but the President at Baylor is the one and only Ken Starr, who led the charge to impeach Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair.
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That tells me all I need to know about the lack of ethics at Baylor. There is no interest in education or ethics.
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
And after listing those:

Name an OU player who has murdered a teammate. Oh yes, that was not women's basketball.

I believe a lot of these issues are starting with the University's values with respect to sports - and it is not just happening in Women's Basketball. It seems to me that blame has to be placed on the shoulders of the administration. Think about the hit on Trevor last Fall. Think about the hit on Sterling Shepard last year - that left him out with a concussion for 2 or 3 weeks. The most recent allegations involve an apparant booster/interested party providing living facilities FOR A WALK ON. It makes you wonder what could be going with players even more important to the team. Many coaches would take some steps to control that I believe. I may be wrong about this - but I never saw any evidence the administration took any steps to sanction Art about those things, or Kim when she allows things to get out of control on the sideline.

As we all know, sometimes coaches carry far more power than the President, and that may well be the case at Baylor. He may be politically powerless to control it. I have to think he is frustrated with all this, bcause to be fully honest with you, I cannot imagine a President of a University who would not be very unhappy with bad publicity - especially with respect to behavior by players and coaches.

Again, we are not on campus & inside administration meetings/counseling sessions, but I have seen no public statements or apologies. If those steps do not occur, a coach is likely to continue allowing out of control behavior - if it seems to lead to more winning.
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Thus, Hypocrite U!
 
Let us all remember, when it comes to murder, that Dave Bliss was at Oklahoma for a long time, before he every even heard of Baylor.
 
Oliver Hardy said:
Let us all remember, when it comes to murder, that Dave Bliss was at Oklahoma for a long time, before he every even heard of Baylor.
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As far as I know, there was never any hint of improprieties when he was at OU. The big change seems to be due to him re-locating to Baylor. And there were BIG issues at play there.

In case you need a reminder here is a link to read more about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University_basketball_scandal

I wonder if the same folks paying for living expenses back then were involved in the most recent revelations. Hopefully not.
 
I don't think we helped him cover up a murder at OU. He didn't actually leave without someone wanting him gone. The pastures became much greener anywhere else.
 
Nothing like that happened during his tenure at OU. He was, in fact, fired because of lack of wins. But what happened in Baylor tells you how he would have reacted at OU had something as terrible as that had happened.
 
soonerstar said:
This is not a political board, but the President at Baylor is the one and only Ken Starr, who led the charge to impeach Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair.
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So a president of the united states screwing his assistant is not grounds for impeachment? And you think Kim Mulkey is bad!
 
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