If I were Joe C

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I would give Jeff the option of a new 3 year contract with OU having a $50,000 buy out, at the same salary as now or being terminated.

This would be viewed as an endorsement and allow Jeff to sell recruits on the fact that he is not on a short leash, but at the same time allow OU to continue to reassess Jeff on a year to year basis.

I know I am in the minority, at least on this board, but I think he deserves another year. Unlike most on here, I just don't think he has done a bad job (except last year). I understand the arguments to the contrary, but just don't agree.

I guess I see great potential in Jeff and think we are just going to have to live through some tough times to realize that potential. I can appreciate that many don't want to put up with any of that.

But, I lived through the Bliss years (he sucked all but one year and hadn't recruited a decent player in 2 years when he left), the tubbs years (when everyone wanted him fired because he was brain damaged and we had begun to suck and he was over the hill), the Sampson era (his style sucked and nobody wanted to watch it, couldn't get out of the first round of the NCAA, couldn't recruit NEO level players and good players didn't want to play for him). I guess what I am saying is that people are never happy. We loved bob stoops was great at first because we played with some discipline -- even though we only won 7 games and then some wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game anymore.

I think the level headed unemotional fan (with a little grey hair) sees jeff has having been successful, considering the circumstances, in his first three years and having done about all that could be expected this year. Understands that he is a young man and this is his first big time job and has had to learn on the fly and expects that he will make some mistakes. Now, can he be unsuccessful forever -- no, but if he has us up and running by next year, then OK. If not, then we can replace him before the spring signing day and go from there.
 
You probably get hammered for having this opinion, but I think it is spot on.
 
We may be better off with a new coach but a coaching change will absolutely hurt to watch basketball next year. No doubt we will lose players from this team and lose out on any player we are trying to recruit.
 
We may be better off with a new coach but a coaching change will absolutely hurt to watch basketball next year. No doubt we will lose players from this team and lose out on any player we are trying to recruit.

If history is any indication, we will lose players from this team if the coach stays as well.
 
I would give Jeff the option of a new 3 year contract with OU having a $50,000 buy out, at the same salary as now or being terminated.

This would be viewed as an endorsement and allow Jeff to sell recruits on the fact that he is not on a short leash, but at the same time allow OU to continue to reassess Jeff on a year to year basis.

I know I am in the minority, at least on this board, but I think he deserves another year. Unlike most on here, I just don't think he has done a bad job (except last year). I understand the arguments to the contrary, but just don't agree.

I guess I see great potential in Jeff and think we are just going to have to live through some tough times to realize that potential. I can appreciate that many don't want to put up with any of that.

But, I lived through the Bliss years (he sucked all but one year and hadn't recruited a decent player in 2 years when he left), the tubbs years (when everyone wanted him fired because he was brain damaged and we had begun to suck and he was over the hill), the Sampson era (his style sucked and nobody wanted to watch it, couldn't get out of the first round of the NCAA, couldn't recruit NEO level players and good players didn't want to play for him). I guess what I am saying is that people are never happy. We loved bob stoops was great at first because we played with some discipline -- even though we only won 7 games and then some wanted him fired because he couldn't win the big game anymore.

I think the level headed unemotional fan (with a little grey hair) sees jeff has having been successful, considering the circumstances, in his first three years and having done about all that could be expected this year. Understands that he is a young man and this is his first big time job and has had to learn on the fly and expects that he will make some mistakes. Now, can he be unsuccessful forever -- no, but if he has us up and running by next year, then OK. If not, then we can replace him before the spring signing day and go from there.

We're on the same page, good post.
 
I can't say that I disagree with anything on this well thought out thread. That said, he may deserve one more year, but we don't deserve one more year like this one. It's tourney or bust, which frankly seems like would take some Sooner Magic.
 
I can't say that I disagree with anything on this well thought out thread. That said, he may deserve one more year, but we don't deserve one more year like this one. It's tourney or bust, which frankly seems like would take some Sooner Magic.

I agree with this also.
 
I would give Jeff the option of a new 3 year contract with OU having a $50,000 buy out, at the same salary as now or being terminated.

This would be viewed as an endorsement and allow Jeff to sell recruits on the fact that he is not on a short leash, but at the same time allow OU to continue to reassess Jeff on a year to year basis.

Is it just me or is this completely contradictory? I appreciate the sentiment but this would destroy Capel's credibility IMO.
 
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More sensible posts. I like it.

I don't think I could have stated it any better.
 
Is it just me or is this completely contradictory? I appreciate the sentiment but this would destroy Capel's credibility IMO.
Both Capel and Joe would lose credibility if that actually happened. It would be like cutting the baby in half. Either Joe has issues firing people or he has an ego the size of Texas.
 
Yeah after rereading it the reduced contract thing would never work. You can't try to scold people through contracts. If you're done with him, man up, pay the price and get him out. If he stays another year and sucks buy him out then. It's a good contract, you can't change it, you can just buy it out when you're ready to be done with it.

For recruiting, the AD gives the vote of confidence and that takes care of that.
 
I can't say that I disagree with anything on this well thought out thread. That said, he may deserve one more year, but we don't deserve one more year like this one. It's tourney or bust, which frankly seems like would take some Sooner Magic.

My question is why wait then? If we are sure that this team is set up for failure next year and that we don't see them as a postseason contender, then we shouldn't let him coach another year. It's nothing personal, he has failed here. To me, both Capel and OU need a fresh start. That only comes with a coaching change.
 
We don't have anything to do with it. If he stays I can assure you it's because they think he can do more next year than we do. And, frankly, they are the ones who get paid to make the decisions.

It would be hilarious to watch a team where the internet boards made the decisions. "Run faster! More D! Shoot better! You suck, bench him! Why isn't he playing more! Faaarrr eeeem! Wait, fire us!"
 
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Capel is 7 and 24 last 31 conference games, will be fired after big 12 loss.
 
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