Jackie Stiles added as 2nd new assistant

[atlantasooner]

I disagree. Kids are smarter than you think. They don't just come to OU because the assistant coach is young, likes rap music and dresses hip.

Kids want to be coached by experienced, knowledgeable adults most the time. So what you are saying is go get a high-risk high reward early 20's gal?

Due to the bolded comment, Ill take the opposite of what you say 9-9x...

What I'm saying is that talent acquisition is the number one program problem.
Signing top 20 kids consistently is the only way to get to the newly stated goal by
Sherri on Twitter today.
Washington was signing talent early in her coaching tenure at Penn State then the talent dropped off. Look she's a very experienced assistant with a great resume.
But dig up one quote from Muffet McGraw for me where McGraw says
Washington was our best recruiter/closer, I'll withdraw my statement.

Stiles other than her own LOI has never signed a top 20 player. And more worrisome she's not been actively recruiting top 20 kids. Now she has been heavily involved in talent evaluations of lower ranked kids doing more with less. So that's a huge positive. Can she become a great recruiter at the level OU needs. Entirely possible. But she's going to have to develop that skill set.

Recruiting is a marathon not a sprint. Recruiting a top hoops player means you are involved with them over a 3 to 4 year time period.

I was looking for someone from a program that is routinely signing those kids. That coach already would have built up relationships with the kids OU needs to sign. Or a current WNBA star looking to get into coaching whose name appeal jump starts those relationships. Someone with some gravitas/star/instant cred/appeal.

And for all of your name calling you or euphguy have not once addressed my primary point.
Recruiting, Recruiting, Recruiting in any meaningful manner.

 

[OUDallas66]

atlantasooner, you have hit the nail directly on the head. Because I'm not a frequent poster my validation of your reply may not carry much weight. Is CC going to hit the recruiting trail? Who will be the primary recruiters? The Head Coach is most cases is the Closer. Thank you for your post.

 

[CoachTalk]

What I'm saying is that talent acquisition is the number one program problem.
Signing top 20 kids consistently is the only way to get to the newly stated goal by
Sherri on Twitter today.
Washington was signing talent early in her coaching tenure at Penn State then the talent dropped off. Look she's a very experienced assistant with a great resume.
But dig up one quote from Muffet McGraw for me where McGraw says
Washington was our best recruiter/closer, I'll withdraw my statement.

Stiles other than her own LOI has never signed a top 20 player. And more worrisome she's not been actively recruiting top 20 kids. Now she has been heavily involved in talent evaluations of lower ranked kids doing more with less. So that's a huge positive. Can she become a great recruiter at the level OU needs. Entirely possible. But she's going to have to develop that skill set.

Recruiting is a marathon not a sprint. Recruiting a top hoops player means you are involved with them over a 3 to 4 year time period.

I was looking for someone from a program that is routinely signing those kids. To jump start that process that has already built up relationships with the kids OU to sign. Or a current WNBA star looking to get into coaching whose name appeal jump starts those relationships.
Someone with some gravitas/star/instant cred/appeal.

And for all of your name calling you or euphguy have not once addressed my primary point.
Recruiting, Recruiting, Recruiting in any meaningful manner.

We all know we need better players! signing an inexperienced washed up pro... doesn't automatically mean you sign top 5 players.

You're unrealistic about what you want to happen.

 

[inoref]

Without recruiting the talent doesn't matter that much who is coaching. I say this not trying to talk bad about the players but I just don't see much talent on this team..IMO they look like a 1982 class 2A high school team (a good class 2a team) I just don't see OU women basketball as being relevant in the big12 much anymore. I do believe that the team will be better next year but that's not saying a lot. I wish the new coaches good luck

 

[Soonerguy06]

I partially agree. I believe we will be better, a little bit.

I say we win 16 games next year. Now that's without knowing the schedule or if we pick up any other players before then. With what we have, i dont see there being huge improvement, just a steady bit by bit.

If you look at a lot of our games we lost, we played a big hand in those losses with our turnovers. If we can get more disciplined and not shoot ourselves in the foot so much we'd have a better shot at winning a lot more games. If we don't get any better this next season and we start seeing the same of what we see every single year then we know its completely SC's fault and she should be terminated, preferably even before the season is over.

 

[zacj33]

I understand the concerns about having all an "all guard" coaching staff. I just think that having a coach that was a post player is overrated. Especially one with a WNBA background. All of the coaches that were mentioned above, have worked their way up through the coaching ranks and gained experience.

On that note, I know most on here are determined that we need some stud post players here. While I agree that we need much better than what we have, we haven't exactly had bad post play until this year. I feel like our biggest problem as a whole is recruiting bigger, more athletic guards. We have one in Ana, but we have way too many 5'7 guards that aren't quick. This really affects our defense and rebounding. If we had a 6'2 post and two or three 6' guard/forwards out there with them, our defense would improve dramatically. Notice that Iowa State recruits a lot of the same style of kids that we have been. The difference lately is that they are all 6'-6'3 and ours are 5'7-'5'10. That is a huge difference on the defensive end. With the lineups we had on the floor this year, there was such little room for error! Having size and athleticism makes up for mental and physical defensive mistakes.

 

[Soonerguy06]

I understand the concerns about having all an "all guard" coaching staff. I just think that having a coach that was a post player is overrated. Especially one with a WNBA background. All of the coaches that were mentioned above, have worked their way up through the coaching ranks and gained experience.

On that note, I know most on here are determined that we need some stud post players here. While I agree that we need much better than what we have, we haven't exactly had bad post play until this year. I feel like our biggest problem as a whole is recruiting bigger, more athletic guards. We have one in Ana, but we have way too many 5'7 guards that aren't quick. This really affects our defense and rebounding. If we had a 6'2 post and two or three 6' guard/forwards out there with them, our defense would improve dramatically. Notice that Iowa State recruits a lot of the same style of kids that we have been. The difference lately is that they are all 6'-6'3 and ours are 5'7-'5'10. That is a huge difference on the defensive end. With the lineups we had on the floor this year, there was such little room for error! Having size and athleticism makes up for mental and physical defensive mistakes.

I could not agree more!!

It seems that SC thinks these undersized 5'7"-5'8" girls will have an advantage with their speed and mobility overall but it's not been the case. She's recruiting, and landing for the most part, guards that are more unathletic but decent shooters. We need a combination of both in our recruits/commits! Ana, Madi and Gabby are definitely a step in the right direction IMO. We just need an ultrathletic, amazing distributor PG and a mobile, non-project type of post player. I say Scott is a forward or wing at best, not a center, same with Bloom, so IMO we are still lacking a post. Without a good PG and Post that can at least be a defensive presence, we will struggle.

 

[TulsaWorld]

Fyi, OU regents meeting ongoing this morning and they just approved Coach Washington and Coach Stiles' salaries. From Eric Bailey via Twitter...

Men's basketball:
James Molinari: $245,000

Women's basketball:
Coquese Washington: $225,000
Jackie Stiles: $130,000

is there a way to embed a tweet on this board? or do you all prefer I just post tweets like this?

 

[Soonerguy06]

Does anyone know how this compares to our recently departed coaches? I sure hope these two are worth every penny!

 

[shydog]

DeCosta $138000
Thrailkill $141000

 

[SoonerSpock]

Washington is being paid approximately what Jan Ross made her last year as an assistant and Stiles is making about what Thrailkill and DeCosta made. Colton is making $85K.

The numbers for the former assistants were last published 3-4 years ago so their salary is only approximate. Colton's salary was announced last fall.

What detailed information I found references what Chad and Pam were actually paid for fiscal 2018. It is not their salary as listed in their contract with OU. It would include any bonuses they were actually paid. Also Colton would have been paid as a graduate assistant during the 2018 fiscal year. He was promoted to assistant coach in September 2018 which is fiscal year 2019.

Jan Ross: $222,230
Chad Thrailkill: $163,461
Pam DeCosta: $157,230
Colton Coale: $46,285

https://oklahomawatchdata.org/university-salaries/760

 

[Speedy17]

Washington is being paid approximately what Jan Ross made her last year as an assistant and Stiles is making about what Thrailkill and DeCosta made. Colton is making $85K.

The numbers for the former assistants were last published 3-4 years ago so their salary is only approximate. Colton's salary was announced last fall.

Based on experience, Colton is the one that is over paid.

 

[womenssports]

Jackie Stiles seems to be driven at everything she does. For that reason I have high hopes for her. Sherri may keep her controlling ways but I don't see her stopping Jackie from working after practice with players on fundamentals, free throw shooting, etc. I think her drive (which I am not sure is not a little beyond the "healthy" realm) may motivate players.
I am not sure how CW and Sherri will work if Sherri doesn't let her actually coach.

I believe Jackie coached at her Alma Mater
because that's where she wanted to coach, not because she didn't have other opportunities. Believe she wanted to one day be head coach there. She did apply when the job came open but she says they decided to go another route..maybe said more experienced coach was why the other coach got job. (Not that what they say has anything to do with the truth).They supposedly wanted her to stay. One thing that may or may not have been considered when deciding about her being head coach may have been her health. That could have affected her getting jobs other places when she didn’t get the head coaching job. I am not sure what the time period was from the time the new head coach was announced to the time that she was hired here.

 

[Soonerbay]

Based on experience, Colton is the one that is over paid.

Very, very true. Another thing I noticed...how was CThrailkill paid more than PDeCosta?

 

[SoonerSpock]

Very, very true. Another thing I noticed...how was CThrailkill paid more than PDeCosta?

Chad had about 3 years more as an OU assistant than Pam and based on 2018 fiscal year the delta between the two was only about $6,000.

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Plus, DeCosta left and came back. That could have had something to with the difference.


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[SoonerSpock]

Also Pam had resigned as HC at San Jose after going 10-106 in 4 years. She was obviously not in high demand at the time.

 

[TulsaWorld]

From Eric Bailey: Hall of Famer Jackie Stiles talks joining Sooners program, leaving a place where she's a legend and battling cancer

Jackie Stiles had a feeling that her basketball journey would guide her back to Oklahoma and Sherri Coale.

The Sooners’ new assistant women’s basketball coach could have started an OU relationship out of high school. Instead, Stiles attended Missouri State, where she reached legendary status at the Springfield school.

The third all-time leading scorer in NCAA Division I women’s basketball, she earned three Missouri Valley Conference player of the year awards at Missouri State. How dominant was her career? The league’s top award is now named after her.

Who knows what would have happened if she attended OU. The Claflin, Kansas, graduate chose Missouri State over the Sooners, UConn and Kansas State.

Stiles, 40, is now joining Coale’s staff. Both were inducted into the Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame in 2016.

“When I first got into coaching, I was telling my mom if I could hand-pick the person I would work for, it would be Sherri Coale,” Stiles said. “Whether it was that I was her first recruit when she first took the job and that interaction, I’ve always looked up to her as a coach when I got into coaching.

“I pinch myself and say ‘This is my boss. She is tremendous.’”