KSU's Sutton to Transfer

AdaSooner said:
I also remember that he came with a little baggage; primarily, his lack of effort in the classroom. Don't know if that's why he left K-State?
Click to expand...

no. lack of effort in attending "voluntary" workouts. but that was just the end of the story. he's never meshed well with martin.


please don't take that as a slight of sutton. i liked him, and wish he was still on the team. i like martin too, and think he's a very good coach. there are times though, when he might be too rigid.
 
sys said:
no. lack of effort in attending "voluntary" workouts. but that was just the end of the story. he's never meshed well with martin.


please don't take that as a slight of sutton. i liked him, and wish he was still on the team. i like martin too, and think he's a very good coach. there are times though, when he might be too rigid.
Click to expand...

Interesting. Kids who are fortunate enough to get a free education never cease to amaze me. I mean, how hard is it to carry your work ethic in games over to voluntary workouts? :facepalm

While I happen to like Martin's in-your-face approach to coaching, I can see why it would not set well some of the kids he brings in. I'd still take him over most of the coaches in the Big 12, though. He demands (and gets) maximum effort out of his players, and that makes him okay in my book. I'll take hard work over style any ole' day.
 
It also said he had two kids in North Carolina and wanted to be closer to them. that was the reason given in the media. Said he was looking to transfer to Wake Forest or NC State.

I like Martin a lot. I think he gets the most out of his guys. He's kind of the opposite of my perceptions. I thought he was a great recruiter and not a very good coach when in reality he's not that great a recruiter but a very good coach. I think K-State has them a keeper.
On a personal note, I've met Frank Martin and really liked him. He seems to be a stand up guy which I like.
 
Beasley getting traded to Minnesota for a 2nd round pick.
I called that bust. The next Big Dog Robinson was spot on.
Attitude is everything.
 
Cheno said:
Beasley getting traded to Minnesota for a 2nd round pick.
I called that bust. The next Big Dog Robinson was spot on.
Attitude is everything.
Click to expand...


Cheno, if you predicted Beasley would be a bust, my hat's off to you. However, I'm confused by the comparison to "Big Dog." Over an 11 year career, Robinson averaged more than 20 points a game and was a 2-time All-Star. For first overall picks, he was probably the NBA version of Keyshawn Johnson - someone who played at a high level, but never became the superstar everyone envisioned. Still, I can rattle off thousands of names that would define the word "bust" more than Big Dog...whose stats are probably similar to another #1 overall pick - Danny Manning.

At this point, Beasley will only have the career of Robinson in his dreams.
 
Last edited:
WaymanFan said:
Still, I can rattle off thousands of names that would define the word "bust" more than Big Dog...whose stats are probably similar to another #1 overall pick - Danny Manning.
Click to expand...

Ouch! This should get interesting. :D
 
Cheno said:
Beasley getting traded to Minnesota for a 2nd round pick.
I called that bust. The next Big Dog Robinson was spot on.
Attitude is everything.
Click to expand...

This move is not based on him being a bust; they needed to move him in order to free up cap room to get Mike Miller and big men. Lebron and Bosh would be taking up all his minutes in Miami, and that is not a knock on Beasley.

He is not a bust yet, IMO. He needed a change of scenery, especially with Wade on his case so frequently in Miami. I look for him to have a strong season this year.
 
AdaSooner said:
Ouch! This should get interesting. :D
Click to expand...

Not that this will help me with my 22 years of therapy following the '88 title game, but as it turns out "Big Dog" was the more productive player than Mr. Manning based on the stats below. The two had five things in common: 1) 1st overall pick, 2) two-time All-Star, 3) same position, 4) various knee problems, and 5) neither waited by their phones when the announcements came for the annual "All-Defensive" teams.

Career Stats for "Big Dog":

Years: 11
PPG: 20.7
RPG: 6.1
APG: 2.7
SPG: 1.2
BPG: .5


Career Stats for the guy who should have fouled out in the first half of the '88 title game (sorry, it helps with the therapy):

Years: 15
PPG: 14.0
RPG: 5.2
APG: 2.3
SPG: 1.1
BPG: .9


BTW, I apologize for hijacking the thread...and I really do like Cheno. I just can't understand the reason for his numerous jabs at Big Dog.
 
Last edited:
WaymanFan said:
Still, I can rattle off thousands of names that would define the word "bust" more than Big Dog...whose stats are probably similar to another #1 overall pick - Danny Manning.
Click to expand...

The word "bust" could certainly be applied to Danny Manning but I don't consider guys who had major injuries as busts.
Michael Olawakondi, Kwame Brown, etc are busts. Big Dog never lived to the hype. Bust is probably too strong for him but I compare him to Beasley because all both wanted to do was shoot. Never did anything else to make their teams better. Again, I should probably apologize to Big Dog for comparing Beasley to him. He doesn't deserve that.

This move is not based on him being a bust; they needed to move him in order to free up cap room to get Mike Miller and big men. Lebron and Bosh would be taking up all his minutes in Miami, and that is not a knock on Beasley.
Click to expand...
If Miami thought Beasley was THAT good they wouldn't be "freeing up cap space" to sign other big men and Mike Miller. DWade is the 2 and LeBron the 3...they need a 4 like Beasley more than they need Mike Miller. For that matter, if they thought Beasley was some budding star at PF they wouldn't have signed Bosh for 20 million a year now would they?
Bottom line...the #2 pick in the draft for a 2nd round draft pick is a slap in the face. Like I said...attitude is everything and I have a feeling LeBron and DWade want guys around them willing to work. DWade was bagging on Beasley last year for a reason.
 
Cheno said:
If Miami thought Beasley was THAT good they wouldn't be "freeing up cap space" to sign other big men and Mike Miller. DWade is the 2 and LeBron the 3...they need a 4 like Beasley more than they need Mike Miller. For that matter, if they thought Beasley was some budding star at PF they wouldn't have signed Bosh for 20 million a year now would they?
Bottom line...the #2 pick in the draft for a 2nd round draft pick is a slap in the face. Like I said...attitude is everything and I have a feeling LeBron and DWade want guys around them willing to work. DWade was bagging on Beasley last year for a reason.
Click to expand...

You make several very good points.

Maybe Pat Riley saw this as an opportunity to nab 3 all-stars in 1 swoop. If that meant the Heat must clean house, start fresh, then that's what they did.

Bosh is THE premier young pf in the league, just cuz Beasley is not on his level yet does not mean he is a flop. That was all I was trying to say originally.

Certainly, Beasley is not playing to his potential yet. Still a career average of 15 PPG and 6 RPG, very low TOs is pretty salty in his first 2 seasons, IMO.
 
AdaSooner said:
Sutton was a solid defender and role player. Losing him is a lot like OU losing Juan Pattillo a couple of years ago.

I remember Dominique well coming out of Patterson School. Tony Crocker was on the same team. I also remember that he came with a little baggage; primarily, his lack of effort in the classroom. Don't know if that's why he left K-State? But I'm not surprised by this news. I'm more surprised that he managed to stay for three seasons.

I liked the kid, though. I saw him play twice on television when he was at Patterson, and I was hoping he would end up at OU with T Crock (OU was recruiting him back then). Too bad things didn't work out for him at KSU.
Click to expand...

I known Niquie since he was 15 years old. The post above brought up the class room....That was always an area he struggled at, but didn't run from. Thats why he ended up with Crocker , Jefferson and those guys at Patterson. To the end of his days at K-St he he was still working hard in that area....finished up summer school session last Thur before leaving.
 
TINY said:
Certainly, Beasley is not playing to his potential yet. Still a career average of 15 PPG and 6 RPG, very low TOs is pretty salty in his first 2 seasons, IMO.
Click to expand...

You may be the only person outside of Manhattan to say Beasley's first two years in the league were "pretty salty".
 
Cheno said:
You may be the only person outside of Manhattan to say Beasley's first two years in the league were "pretty salty".
Click to expand...

I wasn't gonna say it, cuz i figured you'd do it for me. sho nuff. We all know why you won't give Beasley any credit..cuz he was a cat.:facepalm
 
TINY said:
We all know why you won't give Beasley any credit..cuz he was a cat.:facepalm
Click to expand...

That's funny...that's what people were saying two years ago when I said Beasley would be a beast in the league. Not look. :ez-laugh:

I give Cats credit. I give Frank Martin credit all the time. I really like Jacob Pullen's game. I just couldn't stand Beasley and Walker and all their antics and yelling at teammates, etc. They so underachieved because of their attitudes. Obviously attitude doesn't mean as much to you as me.
 
Cheno said:
That's funny...that's what people were saying two years ago when I said Beasley would be a beast in the league. Not look. :ez-laugh:

I give Cats credit. I give Frank Martin credit all the time. I really like Jacob Pullen's game. I just couldn't stand Beasley and Walker and all their antics and yelling at teammates, etc. They so underachieved because of their attitudes. Obviously attitude doesn't mean as much to you as me.
Click to expand...

Dude, earlier in this thread you were boasting about your prediction that Beasley was going to bust, but now apparently you said he was going to be a beast, too?

That must be a typo, right?
 
TINY said:
Dude, earlier in this thread you were boasting about your prediction that Beasley was going to bust, but now apparently you said he was going to be a beast, too?

That must be a typo, right?
Click to expand...

Yeah, bust, dawg, bust! He's a Pam Anderson bust!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Sooner04
What's Your Standard?
2 3
Replies
43
Views
9K
SoonerBounce13
SoonerBounce13
M
Oklahoma Daily Article on Coach Jennie
Replies
5
Views
2K
Soonerguy06
S
O
My (almost) Final Analysis of Year One for Moser
Replies
12
Views
2K
Stikboy
S
Sooner04
Twisting Knobs and Pulling Levers
3 4 5
Replies
87
Views
33K
Soonerinkc
Soonerinkc
B
Dunbar making most of her move from volleyball to basketball
Replies
0
Views
2K
bluesooner17
B
Back
Top