KT Turner to Kentucky

[CoachTalk]

Did Turner ever end up helping OU sign anybody? He always seemed like he had a foot out the door.

Facts.

 

[CoachTalk]

Gordon did all of the scouting for every game this year. Generally all three assistants divide the scouting assignments. If you watched the sidelines, Gordon was making all of the defensive and offensive calls.


That sends a message to the other assistants that “you’re only here to bring players and leave the coaching to us”. Then the consensus we OU loses is the coaching was good, but we didn’t have enough talent.

Don’t think this is correct.

Some asst are Brought in to bring players end of story. That is why KT was on staff.

I do not think he signed one player

 

[CoachTalk]

Moser getting spanked out there.

I mean Kentucky vs OU….

You do you. Kentucky is a career changer.

 

[mict085]

If turner recruits as many players to Kentucky as he did to OU, Kentucky will fire him in less than 2 years.

 

[deejay1]

I mean Kentucky vs OU….

You do you. Kentucky is a career changer.

I was at Rupp Arena in 1989 for OU's Sweet 16 practice before playing Virginia. As Billy Tubbs walked on to the floor, stopped and looked around the entire arena, he said, "Who do you see about getting a job like this?"

 

[Seymore Cox]

He brought in Chargrois from SMU where he coached him. Collectively, the entire staff brought in lesser players. Goldwire and T Groves were the cream of the crop.

 

[CoachTalk]

He brought in Chargrois from SMU where he coached him. Collectively, the entire staff brought in lesser players. Goldwire and T Groves were the cream of the crop.

Apologies.


1 player

 

[Seymore Cox]

You know literally ZERO about the coaching "business". You sit here and talk like you have some knowledge and all the answers. Dude..you Saud you wanted Hill as a small ball 5....zero credibility.

Do you think Tanner Groves can defend a 5 and rebound against a 5 better than Hill! The answer is no! Hill averaged more rebounds from the 4 than Groves did from the 5. In conference play, when the competition was better, Hill was definitely tougher defensively and on the glass than Groves.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Apologies.


1 player

I agree. He didn’t bring in anyone good. Especially a local kid that OU offered the first time around.

Problem is the whole recruiting class was sub par. Patrick brought in Malwein and Marvin Johnson. T. Groves was a good signee, but you took his brother who’s not very good at all. Then you play him a bunch.

https://twitter.com/thetb5reports/status/1531751680483725313?s=10&t=AKJj4w3s_NTdrKJtIqbeIA


This is what one of the top recruiting guys in Texas is saying. He seems to be dropping a subtle hint about something.

 

[CoachTalk]

I agree. He didn’t bring in anyone good. Especially a local kid that OU offered the first time around.

Problem is the whole recruiting class was sub par. Patrick brought in Malwein and Marvin Johnson. T. Groves was a good signee, but you took his brother who’s not very good at all. Then you play him a bunch.

https://twitter.com/thetb5reports/status/1531751680483725313?s=10&t=AKJj4w3s_NTdrKJtIqbeIA


This is what one of the top recruiting guys in Texas is saying. He seems to be dropping a subtle hint about something.

I’m don’t gonna disagree a little. There was some staff problems. Some are grinders and some aren’t…

DP took 500k pay cut to be a head coach. Good for him.

Kt doesn’t like to grind. He’s a salesman. He’s a WWW guy. He’s not there for player development. Which you alluded to be a “negative”. It’s not. These guys know what they are brought in for. If you can’t do that. What good are you?

The next 2 asst coach better buckle up.

1 is on staff I’d guess.

1 needs to be Oklahoma Texas guy only. Kellen McCoy would love it. Kwanza Johnson would love it. Wade mason. Etc.

 

[WTSooner]

I mean Kentucky vs OU….

You do you. Kentucky is a career changer.

Please tell me about the awesome John Calipari coaching tree?

For a guy that has been around as long as he has, and had the success he has, his "tree" isn't overly impressive.

 

[WTSooner]

Anybody trying to spin this as anything other than a big loss is kidding themselves. Period. It's not debatable.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Anybody trying to spin this as anything other than a big loss is kidding themselves. Period. It's not debatable.

I think the bigger issue is Moser is creating a reputation as a guy you don’t want to work with. Mike Sheppard quit during the season, one assistant takes a massive pay cut to leave, another assistant has been chasing job openings since the season ended, and Cade Davis turned down an opportunity to be the Ops Director to be a high school coach.

However, the role of assistant coaches who specialize in recruiting is different now. Kids are getting offered money. As of now, OU isn’t offering money. So whoever you bring in is going to be at a disadvantage. This is why OU is losing out to Nee Mexico and Colorado State on transfers. Personally I don’t think Gordon or Custer can get it done in recruiting. Lastly, they seem to be struggling in Oklahoma and Texas at the high school level.

 

[CoachTalk]

You guys find the negatives.

It’s not about Cal coaching tree. It’s about WWW connections.

Lucas left Texas for UK. UK calls, Duke calls, you go. These guys don’t care per say about the school. It’s the next gig. It’s the connection to Nike, Lakers, Knicks… etc

“Trees” don’t matter. It’s bigger than that. You’re out of touch with how these things work now. Why are guys like K, Roy, Jim b soon.

Times are changing.

It is debatable. You’re clueless if you think uk and Ou are the same.

OU does offer money. If you think they don’t. You really have no clue.

 

[TarheelstateSooner]

You guys find the negatives.

It’s not about Cal coaching tree. It’s about WWW connections.

Lucas left Texas for UK. UK calls, Duke calls, you go. These guys don’t care per say about the school. It’s the next gig. It’s the connection to Nike, Lakers, Knicks… etc

“Trees” don’t matter. It’s bigger than that. You’re out of touch with how these things work now. Why are guys like K, Roy, Jim b soon.

Times are changing.

It is debatable. You’re clueless if you think uk and Ou are the same.

OU does offer money. If you think they don’t. You really have no clue.

Agreed on the UK, Duke, and UNC when they call bit.

I hope OU offers money at this point, if not. Woof.

 

[StoopsBros]

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[WaymanFan]

Anybody trying to spin this as anything other than a big loss is kidding themselves. Period. It's not debatable.

Okay, I'll bite. Why is it such a big loss? Losing Steve Henson was a big loss. About 20 years ago when Kelvin lost Jason Rabedeaux, I thought that was a big loss. How does KT Turner compare to those two?

Off topic, I know you live in the Tulsa area, as do others on this Board. My hearts and prayers are with the families of those killed in another senseless shooting :-(.

 

[Seymore Cox]

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Wade Mason got fired for fighting a coach at halftime of a game this year. He’s turned himself into a twitter warrior which makes him look like a better coach than he is.

 

[Seymore Cox]

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[WTSooner]

Okay, I'll bite. Why is it such a big loss? Losing Steve Henson was a big loss. About 20 years ago when Kelvin lost Jason Rabedeaux, I thought that was a big loss. How does KT Turner compare to those two?

Off topic, I know you live in the Tulsa area, as do others on this Board. My hearts and prayers are with the families of those killed in another senseless shooting :-(.

I plan to let the rest of this offseason play out (ie, transfers and filling the staff), and I'll give an overview of the program as a whole.

That said, my two biggest concerns with the Moser hire were a) his offense, and b) his ability to recruit.

I was very impressed with the staff he put together the first year, and that lessened my worries about recruiting. I'm not really going to judge the staff by what they were able to do recruiting-wise in 12-15 months, but those guys had a history of being good recruiters, and we lost both of them. Patrick had all of the overseas connections. Turner was the Texas guy.

Fans on this board were ECSTATIC for both when hired. We (you guys) don't get to downplay that a year later when they leave.

Honestly, I'm going to guess I'm a lot less impressed with the recruiting chops of the two coaches we hire to replace them. Hope I'm wrong. And we've already seen struggles in recruiting. YES, despite landing the 3 freshman in the 2022 class and some solid transfers. Especially inside.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, pretty much the only good teams Moser has had in his entire coaching career, Cameron Krutwig was the starting center on those teams. He has yet to prove he can build a good team with Krutwig as his starting center.