KT Turner to Kentucky

[WTSooner]

Off topic, I know you live in the Tulsa area, as do others on this Board. My hearts and prayers are with the families of those killed in another senseless shooting :-(.

Thank you for this!

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Anybody trying to spin this as anything other than a big loss is kidding themselves. Period. It's not debatable.

False.

Whether you like it or not..there are certain guys brought in to recruit PERIOD. They offer minimal help in most other areas. That is simply the facts. KT Turner's supposed "strength" were his recruiting ties....he brought in one guy and spent the majority of the off-season looking for a job elsewhere. Anyone who spins THAT into "irreplaceable " is fooling themselves.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Wade Mason got fired for fighting a coach at halftime of a game this year. He’s turned himself into a twitter warrior which makes him look like a better coach than he is.

Here is something you and I agree with. It is also something I have had multiple discussions with other coaches about (I coach and have for almost 25 years). A LOT of young coaches are really good at building themselves up on Twitter and social media. They make themselves look like the next coming and really aren't great coaches....they are great marketers. There is a huge difference.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Do you think Tanner Groves can defend a 5 and rebound against a 5 better than Hill! The answer is no! Hill averaged more rebounds from the 4 than Groves did from the 5. In conference play, when the competition was better, Hill was definitely tougher defensively and on the glass than Groves.

First off.....Hill averaged less rebounds per game than Groves. It wasn't by much but he averaged less. Worse, you think that qualifies as your baseline.

I think Hill is more athletic than Groves but that doesn't mean much. We are better off waiting and seeing if Godwin or Northweather can be that backup. In a perfect world Hill wouldn't even be our starting 4.

I'd love to get a athletic, aggressive guy who can mix it up to play inside but it doesn't look like that is coming this year.

 

[WTSooner]

False.

Whether you like it or not..there are certain guts brought in to recruit PERIOD. They offer minimal help in most other areas. That is simply the facts. KT Turner's supposed "strength" were his recruiting ties....he brought in one guy and spent the majority of the off-season looking for a job elsewhere. Anyone who spins THAT into "irreplaceable " is fooling themselves.

Give me an effing break. The guy was here for one year. Hardly enough time to form some really solid opinion on how he would recruit at OU. And while others might get the credit for some of our other recruits, I guarantee he was involved. And his "one" was pretty good, no?

You are right, if he wasn't happy and he was looking to leave, it's better for both parties that he leave. But to suggest losing one of the best recruiters of Texas isn't a big deal, well, that is nonsense. Turner's rep got him hired at Kentucky. But sure, not a big loss.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Give me an effing break. The guy was here for one year. Hardly enough time to form some really solid opinion on how he would recruit at OU. And while others might get the credit for some of our other recruits, I guarantee he was involved. And his "one" was pretty good, no?

You are right, if he wasn't happy and he was looking to leave, it's better for both parties that he leave. But to suggest losing one of the best recruiters of Texas isn't a big deal, well, that is nonsense. Turner's rep got him hired at Kentucky. But sure, not a big loss.

He hasn't done anything at OU to be considered a big loss....thats my point. Chargois was decent...I'll give you that...but that is the only SIGNIFICANT guy you could point to and say "yea, that was like KT's guy".

Other than that, the majority of rumors you hear were that he didn't like the grind....thats fine...and I don't know for sure but I heard it from guys who likely WOULD know.. what we, as fans, DO know is his name kept popping up for other jobs. If that is the case, how hard was he really working here?

Pick any business you want....if you "ace" employee isn't bought in and is looking at every avenue they have to leave then what are they truly doing for you?

That 12+ months he put in didn't really produce huge results for OU...that is what makes me say it was a loss but not a catastrophic loss by any stretch.

I'd rather replace him with someone that will start helping get the kids right here in Oklahoma...we keep missing out on solid D1 kids. That is a tragedy.

 

[TINY]

Give me an effing break. The guy was here for one year. Hardly enough time to form some really solid opinion on how he would recruit at OU. And while others might get the credit for some of our other recruits, I guarantee he was involved. And his "one" was pretty good, no?

You are right, if he wasn't happy and he was looking to leave, it's better for both parties that he leave. But to suggest losing one of the best recruiters of Texas isn't a big deal, well, that is nonsense. Turner's rep got him hired at Kentucky. But sure, not a big loss.

And yet you are forming an opinion that it is a huge loss. It isn’t. I didn’t hear 1 recruit mention his name like I have heard Dildy’s or Patrick’s name repeatedly. We could probably get better returns in recruiting by hiring Kellen McCoy, given his AAU influence.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Okay, I'll bite. Why is it such a big loss? Losing Steve Henson was a big loss. About 20 years ago when Kelvin lost Jason Rabedeaux, I thought that was a big loss. How does KT Turner compare to those two?

Off topic, I know you live in the Tulsa area, as do others on this Board. My hearts and prayers are with the families of those killed in another senseless shooting :-(.

I didnt pay attention to assistant coaches back during kelvin days so i googled this Rab guy. You ever seen his story?

http://http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12636370/former-utep-coach-jason-rabedeaux-death-remains-mystery

 

[SoonerBounce13]

False.

Whether you like it or not..there are certain guys brought in to recruit PERIOD. They offer minimal help in most other areas. That is simply the facts. KT Turner's supposed "strength" were his recruiting ties....he brought in one guy and spent the majority of the off-season looking for a job elsewhere. Anyone who spins THAT into "irreplaceable " is fooling themselves.

Well it isn't about losing what he did in one year...it is about losing what he could have done going forward.

It is a big loss

 

[Soonerb98]

Good point Soonerbounce! Although, you can question how much impact he was going to have if he had one foot out the door.

You hear pretty often that it takes time for a new coach to pay off on the recruiting trail because he has to establish relationships with recruits. If that's still true in the NIL era, it concerns me that we're turning over such a large % of our staff 1 year after a complete reset, regardless of how good of a coach KT is (or isn't).

 

[AdaSooner]

I didnt pay attention to assistant coaches back during kelvin days so i googled this Rab guy. You ever seen his story?

http://http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12636370/former-utep-coach-jason-rabedeaux-death-remains-mystery

I read Rab’s story—glad I did in a way, but I hated the way it ended. What a waste of a likable young man with a bright future. The story made me sad, yet it was so well written I couldn’t stop reading it.

 

[CoachTalk]

Well it isn't about losing what he did in one year...it is about losing what he could have done going forward.

It is a big loss

If the common folk like us know he has had his foot out the door, I assure you recruits did as well.

This isnt a big loss. It would be if he was 100% in and on top of every croot. Which just simply wasnt the case.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I read Rab’s story—glad I did in a way, but I hated the way it ended. What a waste of a likable young man with a bright future. The story made me sad, yet it was so well written I couldn’t stop reading it.

Same. Made me late to work

 

[SoonerBounce13]

If the common folk like us know he has had his foot out the door, I assure you recruits did as well.

This isnt a big loss. It would be if he was 100% in and on top of every croot. Which just simply wasnt the case.

yeah, that goes without saying i suppose

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

Well it isn't about losing what he did in one year...it is about losing what he could have done going forward.

It is a big loss

Patrick was a bigger loss.
Turner was trying to leave immediately....so no...not a huge loss. He wasn't bought in here...plain and simple.

 

[BCSooners]

Patrick was a bigger loss.
Turner was trying to leave immediately....so no...not a huge loss. He wasn't bought in here...plain and simple.

Exactly how I feel. I never liked the hire anyways. Anyone who can go from UT to OU or vice versa is a red flag for me.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I read Rab’s story—glad I did in a way, but I hated the way it ended. What a waste of a likable young man with a bright future. The story made me sad, yet it was so well written I couldn’t stop reading it.

I just read it after seeing your comment. Very tragic and sad.

 

[WaymanFan]

I didnt pay attention to assistant coaches back during kelvin days so i googled this Rab guy. You ever seen his story?

http://http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12636370/former-utep-coach-jason-rabedeaux-death-remains-mystery

I either posted that article shortly after he died, or something similar. No doubt the guy was a train wreck after he left OU...but he was a big part of our early 21st century success. Right after we lost him to UTEP (as head coach), we lost another great assistant in Ray Lopes (to UNLV). Neither of those guys were successful as head coaches, but they were a big part of Kelvin's success at OU. My point from the previous post is that KT Turner doesn't rate compared to guys like them or Steve Henson. I know he was only here for one year, but would like to think he would have at least created "some value" that would warrant us to think it was a big loss.

BTW, we only had Rod Barnes as an assistant for one year, but he left a great impression on me with his defense. It was Coach Capel's first year, and oddly enough, had a similar talent level to this year's OU team...but that one season Barnes was there, OU had a better defense than they did the next two years when Blake Griffin was there. As such, it is possible for a one-year assistant to make an impact.

 

[CMSOONER]

Turner was to Moser what Oronde Taliaferro was to Capel. Their main job was to recruit and bring in the best players possible. If Turner was dedicated he definitely could have provided value to the program. However in the year that he was here he provided almost nothing. On the flip side Talifaerro brought in good talent but cheated and got the program in trouble.