Lattin in Moore Tournament

[KBaden145]

Don't confuse a lacking performance with lacking talent. He needs coaching, some bulk, and a little more effort on his part on his part would be great. At the base of it all, is an athletic, long, skilled 6-9 big who can play. What others have mentioned about his teammates, coaches, and what smaller players are allowed to get away with was very apparent. I don't know what Gary would say but I came away thinking of a poor mans version of Ryan Humphrey. Maybe not as athletic or aggressive but a bit more skilled at this point. I only saw bits and pieces of Ryan at TW but saw every game at OU. Not a program changing talent but what should a very effective big, in time, under Kruger.


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[garyeb2]

This is what I would say. Lattin is not a college ready mature body type of recruit. If he were, OU probably would not have gotten him.

 

[AdaSooner]

If you are going to use things that I have said to support your case, try not to leave out some important parts.

1. He did score 13 pts. in 30 min. on the floor against 5A competition. Ponca City is not very good. But, they are a far cry from no competition. His team mates did not help him. Time after time they came down the floor and jacked up 3's and he never got a touch. When he had the ball in a position to score, he usually did.

2. He does need to layer on 20 lbs. of muscle. He will be on campus in May and after 6 months of lifting and drinking protein shakes the 20 lbs. will be there before the 1st tip.

3. He is in desperate need of coaching. He has had none. He will get plenty before the 1st tip.

4. I'm not qualified to evaluate talent for the OU basketball team. I don't know what a still developing big is suppose to look like as a HS senior.

The part in bold is all too familiar with what I saw when I watched former OU player, Keith Clark, in two playoff games his senior season at Putnam City. Keith could have dominated the paint. He worked his tail off to get open down low, but rarely saw the ball, because his teammates were too busy jacking up threes. Keith turned into a pretty good player at OU. He could have been better if he had stayed in school.

My point is, selfish guards can dictate the kind of game a big man like Khadeem is going to have, because they have the ball in their hands on every possession. I'm not saying that was the only contributing factor, just that I know from having watched the same thing take place with KC several years ago, it does indeed have an affect on a big's performance. I'll be anxious to find out how he plays in today's game.

 

[bocabull]

He does need to layer on 20 lbs. of muscle. He will be on campus in May and after 6 months of lifting and drinking protein shakes the 20 lbs. will be there before the 1st tip.

Wow. I didn't know Yo Yo had magical powers. If he can really add 20 lbs of muscle to young athletes in 6 months why is he at OU? He could be running a $100 million a year empire.

 

[garyeb2]

Wow. I didn't know Yo Yo had magical powers. If he can really add 20 lbs of muscle to young athletes in 6 months why is he at OU? He could be running a $100 million a year empire.

They don't all need 20 lbs. He puts 20 lbs on the ones that need every off season. He wouldn't put 20 on Woodard. But, he did Spangler. He put 20 lbs on Cam over the course of two seasons. He didn't need a rapid weight gain.

The 20lb. comment that you latched on was referring to all 3 recruits. Not just Lattin. We are talking about 3 tall skinny kids. The easiest kind to start with.

It isn't just Yo Yo. Every big time college program are experts in managing the players weights, muscle mass, and body fat. It is constantly monitored and adjusted. It is all customized into a lifting program to achieve the desired result.

It might turn out to be 20lbs. for one and 15 for another and 17 for the 3rd.

Why do you constantly want to be a jerk on topics that you obviously have no knowledge.

I have spoken extensively with both Yo Yo and Alex on the specific topic of how they manage the players weights both during the season and off season. As soon as the season is over for these kids they will be furnished information on the nutritional and lifting program designed for them to start at home so as to be prepared for their arrival on campus. If they are good troopers, they will already have made strides in their weight gain before they ever hit campus.

 

[KBaden145]

They don't all need 20 lbs. He puts 20 lbs on the ones that need every off season. He wouldn't put 20 on Woodard. But, he did Spangler. He put 20 lbs on Cam over the course of two seasons. He didn't need a rapid weight gain.



The 20lb. comment that you latched on was referring to all 3 recruits. Not just Lattin. We are talking about 3 tall skinny kids. The easiest kind to start with.



It isn't just Yo Yo. Every big time college program are experts in managing the players weights, muscle mass, and body fat. It is constantly monitored and adjusted. It is all customized into a lifting program to achieve the desired result.



It might turn out to be 20lbs. for one and 15 for another and 17 for the 3rd.



Why do you constantly want to be a jerk on topics that you obviously have no knowledge.



I have spoken extensively with both Yo Yo and Alex on the specific topic of how they manage the players weights both during the season and off season. As soon as the season is over for these kids they will be furnished information on the nutritional and lifting program designed for them to start at home so as to be prepared for their arrival on campus. If they are good troopers, they will already have made strides in their weight gain before they ever hit campus.

This is a good point. They need to do some of this on their own. It won't all happen in the time they are on campus. A recent commit in football mentioned he's gone from 285 or so to just over a good solid 300 since his season ended in November, all work he has done on his own.


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[AdaSooner]

No player is the same. Gaining weight is easier for some. Austin Johnson tried everything he could to put on weight his entire career. I think he may have added something like 10 pounds in four years.

Bulk is not as important as muscle and increased body strength. Nutritionist will tell you that adding 1/2 to 1 pound each week is the healthy way to gain weight. So, if Lattin is a kid who can put on a few pounds with the proper nutrition as well as a conditioning program, it would not be out of the question for him to add 15 to 20 pounds in a six months period.

Keep in mind that when athletes go into a disciplined off-season basketball program like the one at OU, they usually get more rest and eat healthier food to go along with their daily strength training. Even if they don't gain a lot of weight, they'll come out of that program with the muscle mass and the strength necessary to make them more competitive at the college level.

 

[pnkranger]

This is a good point. They need to do some of this on their own. It won't all happen in the time they are on campus. A recent commit in football mentioned he's gone from 285 or so to just over a good solid 300 since his season ended in November, all work he has done on his own.


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This sounds like my holiday training regimen as well.

 

[garyeb2]

No player is the same. Gaining weight is easier for some. Austin Johnson tried everything he could to put on weight his entire career. I think he may have added something like 10 pounds in four years.

Bulk is not as important as muscle and increased body strength. Nutritionist will tell you that adding 1/2 to 1 pound each week is the healthy way to gain weight. So, if Lattin is a kid who can put on a few pounds with the proper nutrition as well as a conditioning program, it would not be out of the question for him to add 15 to 20 pounds in a six months period.

Keep in mind that when athletes go into a disciplined off-season basketball program like the one at OU, they usually get more rest and eat healthier food to go along with their daily strength training. Even if they don't gain a lot of weight, they'll come out of that program with the muscle mass and the strength necessary to make them more competitive at the college level.

Yo Yo claims and says he has the documentation to back it up that their conditioning program can and does increase a players 1st step quickness and vertical leap.

 

[AdaSooner]

Yo Yo claims and says he has the documentation to back it up that their conditioning program can and does increase a players 1st step quickness and verticle leap.

I have no doubt that's true. Yo Yo is good at what he does. Every returning player on the team this year looks bigger and stronger. They're better at driving with the ball, which is likely due to a quicker first step. Their rebounds per game has increased since last year. I realize that, in part, that's because they have no choice if we're to have any chance of competing on the boards with bigger teams. But it can also be attributed to an increase in their vertical.

 

[bocabull]

The obvious fact is that the Lattin in that AAU video and apparently the Lattin people witnessed last night is not physically ready for Big XII play. Good grief just admit the guy is a project and that's why he dropped from #21 to #124 in the rivals rankings. And actually a tall skinny guy is the hardest to add muscle/weight on. Their metabolism is running 5,000 MPH.

And that calling him a program altering talent is a gross exaggeration.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Good grief just admit the guy is a project and that's why he dropped from #21 to #124 in the rivals rankings.

why do you keep saying this?

 

[garyeb2]

The obvious fact is that the Lattin in that AAU video and apparently the Lattin people witnessed last night is not physically ready for Big XII play. Good grief just admit the guy is a project and that's why he dropped from #21 to #124 in the rivals rankings. And actually a tall skinny guy is the hardest to add muscle/weight on. Their metabolism is running 5,000 MPH.

And that calling him a program altering talent is a gross exaggeration.

I didn't call him a program altering talent. I had never seen him play before yesterday. I related a conversation that I had with the coach that recruited him. You don't know what his metabolism is. He dropped because he moved out of country. I know what I witnessed last night You don't. Why do you keep posting on this thread when you have no knowledge or 1st hand information on the topic.

Am I going to have to go back up there tonight and come back and write a fluff piece to get you off the topic?

 

[AdaSooner]

I didn't call him a program altering talent. I had never seen him play before yesterday. I related a conversation that I had with the coach that recruited him. You don't know what his metabolism is. He dropped because he moved out of country. I know what I witnessed last night You don't. Why do you keep posting on this thread when you have no knowledge or 1st hand information on the topic.

Am I going to have to go back up there tonight and come back and write a fluff piece to get you off the topic?

No one called him a surefire program-altering talent. Boca is making that up, something he's good at doing when it fits his side of the argument. We might have talked about his potential, but potential is a long ways from saying someone is a program-altering player.

He also knows why Lattin's rival's ranking dropped, yet he keeps throwing that out as if there's not a reason for it. In case he doesn't get it yet, I'll break it down for him one more time and make it as clear as I can. Khadeem was a top 25 recruit as a freshman. He dropped out of the rankings when he spent nearly two years overseas, which is perfectly understandable. Rival's is not always a reliable source for kids who play in this country, and they danged sure don't follow them when they leave to go overseas.

It's true he returned to play AAU ball last summer. But when you're the new kid on an AAU team with a slew of D-1 caliber players, it takes a while to work your way back into form and to get noticed again.

I'm going to ignore Boca on this thread from this point forward. I suggest you do the same.

 

[DenverSooner]

The obvious fact is that the Lattin in that AAU video and apparently the Lattin people witnessed last night is not physically ready for Big XII play. Good grief just admit the guy is a project and that's why he dropped from #21 to #124 in the rivals rankings. And actually a tall skinny guy is the hardest to add muscle/weight on. Their metabolism is running 5,000 MPH.

And that calling him a program altering talent is a gross exaggeration.

There are over 300 Division 1 basketball teams. I think the number is 345. Each team has 13 scholarship players. On average they add more than 3 players every year. With just 3 kids per year, per team that is 1,035 kids a year. A kid ranked 124 is not a project. He is in approximately the top 10% of all freshman college basketball teams.

It has been widely reported that Lattin's ranking went down because he left the country. Regardless, 24/7 and ESPN both have him in the top 100. Lattin is not a project. ESPN and 24/7 have him ranked as the 11th and 16th best center in the country. It is absurd to call him a project.

You seem to think everyone that isn't Blake Griffin or a one and done type player is a project. Nobody has said this kid was going to the NBA after his freshman season. We are simply saying we think this guy is going to help OU as freshman and be a really good player when he is a junior or senior.

 

[AdaSooner]

I'll add one more thing before I'm through. Boca prefers to go with Rival's #124 ranking, because that fits the narrative better than laying out the true picture.

He ignores the fact that Future150 has Lattin ranked #104; ESPN at #96; Scout.com at #81 and 247 Sports has him at #94. He also fails to acknowledge the host of high-major offers Khadeem had when he picked OU, so it's obvious our coaches weren't the only ones who recognized his potential. I can list them if need be.