Lol @ Missouri getting schooled.

[bocabull]

Chuck Neinas knows BS when he sees it. If he was around last year the 6 year media rights grant would have been demanded publicly.

He would have called out Nebraska, A&M, Missouri, whoever to sh*t or get off the pot. Either get out or shut up and commit.

What is really going on is Missouri is being pushed out. Their 5 minutes is up. They can take their mediocrity to the highest bidder and will be easily replaced with a lucky program that will take over their Texas recruiting pipeline.

 

[thebigabd]

I am not too happy with Mizzou these days... I used to like them (I liked Mike Anderson), but now I just hope they fail, hard. I don't care if they are in this league or not.

 

[bocabull]

Exactly. Missouri is the mediocre girlfriend who is easily replaced but thinks she is special.

Sounds like a perfect fit for the SEC! Bye bye.

 

[Sawyer]

Neinas has given Missouri no timetable for a decision and actively worked to keep Missouri in the Big 12.

Definitely sounds like we're being pushed out to me (genius leadership to push out one of the top three or four most valuable athletic departments in the conference, by the way).

 

[bocabull]

Valuable to who? Not to OU or Texas or even Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas or Kansas State.

You might add a little value to Iowa State but even that is doubtful. OU, Texas and Kansas are marquee programs that can stand on their own two feet. Missouri is not. OSU, Texas Tech, Baylor and Kansas State are attached to OU, Texas and Kansas to enhance their standing and gain access to the left over recruits. You are not above any of them including Baylor. They are your peers, not OU, Texas or Kansas.

Go ahead and leave and watch as your current standing is easily replaced.

 

[thebigabd]

The more I think about this, the more I really want to see the following replacements made. I want to just raid the Big East. That conference is dead, and they are ripe for the picking. They have no elite football schools. As a football league, its dead. They need to migrate over to the Big 12.

New Big 12 North
BYU (replacing Colorado)
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
Louisville (replacing Missouri)
Cincy (replacing Nebraska)

New Big 12 South
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
South Florida (replacing A&M)

These are positive replacements. They add new markets, competitive value, play pretty well in both sports, etc.

Thoughts boca?

 

[bocabull]

My thoughts are (based on revenue sports that matter):

BYU>Colorado
Louisville>Missouri
Cincy<Nebraska
South Florida<A&M but rising fast

Those 4 teams would be revenue accretive. Basketball competition would rise and football competition would remain neutral.

Bottom line is the Big XII would emerge stronger overall in that scenario.

So what is it Missouri? You going to commit or easily be replaced? Because we don't care but the train is leaving the station.

 

[thebigabd]

My thoughts are (based on revenue sports that matter):

BYU>Colorado
Louisville>Missouri
Cincy<Nebraska
South Florida<A&M but rising fast

Those 4 teams would be revenue accretive. Basketball competition would rise and football competition would remain neutral.

Bottom line is the Big XII would emerge stronger overall in that scenario.

So what is it Missouri? You going to commit or easily be replaced? Because we don't care but the train is leaving the station.

Rising fast (South Florida) is exactly right... its pretty amazing that they are climbing as fast as they are and they have only been playing football since 1997. Its remarkable growth, actually. Many programs have been playing for 100 years before them.

I agree with your assessment, though.

 

[Sooner04]

When did this seismic shift occur? When did abd hop off the Central Florida bandwagon and jump aboard the South Florida bandwagon?

 

[thebigabd]

When did this seismic shift occur? When did abd hop off the Central Florida bandwagon and jump aboard the South Florida bandwagon?

When the Big East fell apart and they become a more attractive and realistic option. Although, I will say the very first time this came up I mentioned adding Central Florida AND South Florida.

 

[bocabull]

I could see the South Florida/Leroy Selmon/OU/Big XII connection turning into something special.

You can bet if South Florida started playing OU and Texas in football their recruiting would jump another notch.

South Florida joining the Big XII would be more valuable than A&M joining the SEC because let's face it, A&M is a dorkish cult of goobers that only appeals to a small % of the population. South Florida could be branded as the up and coming Miami/FSU etc that is now playing in the BIG XII with big dogs like OU and Texas. Aggy will always be dorks.

 

[thebigabd]

I could see the South Florida/Leroy Selmon/OU/Big XII connection turning into something special.

You can bet if South Florida started playing OU and Texas in football their recruiting would jump another notch.

South Florida joining the Big XII would be more valuable than A&M joining the SEC because let's face it, A&M is a dorkish cult of goobers that only appeals to a small % of the population. South Florida could be branded as the up and coming Miami/FSU etc that is now playing in the BIG XII with big dogs like OU and Texas. Aggy will always be dorks.

Don't forget facilities for USF either... A big beef people have with SMU, Houston, TCU, and other small schools are their small facilities. No such problem exists with USF.

Sun Dome
Seating: 10,400
Going through a $36 million renovation right now

Raymond James Stadium
Seating: 77,000

USF Baseball Stadium
Brand new facility, opened in 2011

Athletic training facility
Opened in 2005

The Big 12, IF they can lure these Big East teams (Louisvile, USF, Cincy, etc) has a great opportunity to upgrade. We keep throwing around the term replace, but if we can steal from the Big East it would be upgrading over CU (worthless), Mizzou (worthless), and Nebraska.

 

[Sawyer]

Valuable to who? Not to OU or Texas or even Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas or Kansas State.

You might add a little value to Iowa State but even that is doubtful. OU, Texas and Kansas are marquee programs that can stand on their own two feet. Missouri is not. OSU, Texas Tech, Baylor and Kansas State are attached to OU, Texas and Kansas to enhance their standing and gain access to the left over recruits. You are not above any of them including Baylor. They are your peers, not OU, Texas or Kansas.

Go ahead and leave and watch as your current standing is easily replaced.

Are you really this ignorant on how conference TV contracts work? Missouri is the second most populated state in the current Big 12 footprint and the third most watched Big 12 football team. They add more to the Big 12 TV contract than they take back. Only OU and UT add more. Everyone, OU and UT included, gets a smaller slice of a smaller pie without Mizzou than they'd get with Mizzou.

My thoughts are (based on revenue sports that matter):

BYU>Colorado
Louisville>Missouri
Cincy<Nebraska
South Florida<A&M but rising fast

Those 4 teams would be revenue accretive. Basketball competition would rise and football competition would remain neutral.

Bottom line is the Big XII would emerge stronger overall in that scenario.

So what is it Missouri? You going to commit or easily be replaced? Because we don't care but the train is leaving the station.

Again, pretend for a minute you're familiar with numbers. Then check out the TV ratings for Louisville football. No one watches them. No one cares. They're not as good on the field and they don't add near as much to the football TV contracts.

 

[DenverSooner]

Neinas has given Missouri no timetable for a decision and actively worked to keep Missouri in the Big 12.

Definitely sounds like we're being pushed out to me (genius leadership to push out one of the top three or four most valuable athletic departments in the conference, by the way).

Valuable by what standards? OU, Texas, and Nebraska were the value. Now it is OU and Texas. KU brings value in basketball. The rest of the schools fill schedules. You give us nothing but a team to kick around on the football field.

 

[Soonercuda]

My thoughts are (based on revenue sports that matter):

BYU>Colorado
Louisville>Missouri
Cincy<Nebraska
South Florida<A&M but rising fast

Those 4 teams would be revenue accretive. Basketball competition would rise and football competition would remain neutral.

Bottom line is the Big XII would emerge stronger overall in that scenario.

So what is it Missouri? You going to commit or easily be replaced? Because we don't care but the train is leaving the station.

My thoughts...ranking both teams leaving and proposed new teams 1 through 8:

1 - Nebraska
2 - A&M
3 - Missouri
4 - BYU
5 - Louisville
6 - Colorado
7 - South Florida
8 - Cincy

Pretty poor trade.

 

[bocabull]

Are you really this ignorant on how conference TV contracts work? Missouri is the second most populated state in the current Big 12 footprint and the third most watched Big 12 football team. They add more to the Big 12 TV contract than they take back. Only OU and UT add more. Everyone, OU and UT included, gets a smaller slice of a smaller pie without Mizzou than they'd get with Mizzou.



Again, pretend for a minute you're familiar with numbers. Then check out the TV ratings for Louisville football. No one watches them. No one cares. They're not as good on the field and they don't add near as much to the football TV contracts.

LOL @ Missouri. TV contracts are based off marquee games. Missouri is incapable of being the headliner of a primetime game. Their primetime games are against OU or Texas and the vast majority of football fans could care less if OU is playing Missouri or Louisville because they know who is going to win anyway.

This is why the Big 10 took Nebraska over Missouri. Missouri is an inferior product.

OU can pick up the phone and schedule whoever we want and bring in more than we would make playing Missouri. FSU, Notre Dame, UCLA, Oregon, Alabama, whatever. Missouri is easily replaced with more TV money for OU if we want it.

Of course that's what separates OU from everybody else. We aren't playing for money. We are playing for championships.

 

[bocabull]

My thoughts...ranking both teams leaving and proposed new teams 1 through 8:

1 - Nebraska
2 - A&M
3 - Missouri
4 - BYU
5 - Louisville
6 - Colorado
7 - South Florida
8 - Cincy

Pretty poor trade.

Louisville has won the Orange Bowl recently. What BCS has Missouri or A&M won? Louisville is also a rock solid top 10 basketball program which none of those other teams are.

Louisville = Nebraska and >Missouri and A&M.

 

[Sawyer]

LOL @ Missouri. TV contracts are based off marquee games. Missouri is incapable of being the headliner of a primetime game. Their primetime games are against OU or Texas and the vast majority of football fans could care less if OU is playing Missouri or Louisville because they know who is going to win anyway.

This is why the Big 10 took Nebraska over Missouri. Missouri is an inferior product.

OU can pick up the phone and schedule whoever we want and bring in more than we would make playing Missouri. FSU, Notre Dame, UCLA, Oregon, Alabama, whatever. Missouri is easily replaced with more TV money for OU if we want it.

Of course that's what separates OU from everybody else. We aren't playing for money. We are playing for championships.

Show me again where I said OU was weaker without Missouri?

Tier 1 and Tier 2 contracts are more than just OU and UT vs. whoever.

 

[bocabull]

The networks will love being able to show OU and Texas more since they won't be obligated to broadcast an inferior team like Missouri.

How many times do you think Missouri will make the CBS broadcast with the SEC? ha ha.

 

[CarlWeathers]

Fact of the matter is, if Mizzu really was what you say it is. You wouldn't have to be over here defending their prestige with everything you've got.

You ask any non-big12 fan who the top 4 all around programs in the league are, and maybe half would name mizzu.