MBB Transfer Portal Thread: Moser Year 4

give me Kobe Elvis. Was a 3 year starter at Dayton. Might be a catalyst for more commitments.

Watched some more highlights, and he can help us make the tournament.


Some people think every commit we get must be a starter and average 20 ppg. Teams are built with various different pieces that all play different roles. I don’t view Elvis as a Los or Javian replacement, I view him as a Darthard type replacement. And if that’s the case, there’s NOTHING wrong with this commitment!

IF we were planning on leaning on him
To carry the load at the guard position, that would be different…but I don’t think that’s the case. So many simply
Overreact on here….ALL the flippin time.
 
give me Kobe Elvis. Was a 3 year starter at Dayton. Might be a catalyst for more commitments.

Watched some more highlights, and he can help us make the tournament.
If Kobe Elvis is a catalyst for more commitments, I’m guessing those commitments will not exactly be from highly sought after players.
 
give me Kobe Elvis. Was a 3 year starter at Dayton. Might be a catalyst for more commitments.

Watched some more highlights, and he can help us make the tournament.
One player is not going to help Sooners make the tournament, it is a team game
 
Some people think every commit we get must be a starter and average 20 ppg. Teams are built with various different pieces that all play different roles. I don’t view Elvis as a Los or Javian replacement, I view him as a Darthard type replacement. And if that’s the case, there’s NOTHING wrong with this commitment!

IF we were planning on leaning on him
To carry the load at the guard position, that would be different…but I don’t think that’s the case. So many simply
Overreact on here….ALL the flippin time.
I wrote an 820-word post at like 2 am in response, lol. I'll try to make this one 500 words or less.

I deleted it. Obviously.

I don't think your response is aimed at me but since I'm a vocal anti-Elvis (as a starter) poster...

On one hand, a Dart comparison makes sense. Both Dart and Elvis are role-player types. In other words, not go-to scorers. Teams need role players. I hope anyone who calls themselves a basketball fan understands that. It's a fundamental part of every good team (and bad team for that matter). Like Dennis Rodman being the "trash man" for my favorite bandwagon team(s); Chicago in the 1990s.

Here's the vast difference: Last year's team had Oweh, Uzan, and Javian as their starting guards/wings (and later Waldo). Elvis, on the other hand, is being penciled in as a starter from day 1 (and he'll likely be OU's first commitment this cycle). Coaches/sources inside the OU offices are leaking that (starter) news to OU media. Those same media guys will call it a "solid get", etc. Or maybe they'll post gifs to Twitter. They won't be "upsetting the apple cart".

This team was "garbage" scoring the ball last year (120th in the country)....so yeah, I don't think it's delusions of grandeur to think a major part of this offseason should have been; GET BETTER AT SCORING THE BALL. That's not going to happen with a very average Dayton kid, who's never averaged 10 ppg in a mid-major conference (and DePaul), starting in the SEC (along with a North Texas kid who doesn't seem to have a big-time max), IMO. On paper, OU's getting worse at scoring, arguably.

Texas is a great comparison. Why? They averaged identically the same amount of ppg as OU (75.4 IIRC). I have no idea if they set out to get better at scoring, I assume so because you kind of should, but I don't read their media close enough. As things are trending right now, they will, on paper, exceed their lost production with their portal additions. Plus their freshmen are damn good (Tre Johnson could be special). Texas is improving. OU won't be exceeding their lost production unless things start trending differently and I think we're too far gone for things to change now (they're not going to reverse course on Elvis, for example).

OU's plucking Kobe Elvis away from Charleston to start at the 2G spot. That doesn't excite me, I'm sorry. My favorite college basketball team hasn't made the tournament in three long a** years and things aren't shaping up, in my opinion, for a tourney run in year 4. As we sit here today, of course. Can it change? Maybe. I hope so. A lot depends on Pedulla and/or Garrison. If OU fumbles one or both, we should maybe have "pay the buyout now" conversations (which Joe C won't do anyway).
 
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If garrison doesn’t work out would gladly take him. He’d be the best center we’ve had since Spangler.
 
I wrote an 820-word post at like 2 am in response, lol. I'll try to make this one 500 words or less.

I deleted it. Obviously.

I don't think your response is aimed at me but since I'm a vocal anti-Elvis (as a starter) poster...

On one hand, a Dart comparison makes sense. Both Dart and Elvis are role-player types. In other words, not go-to scorers. Teams need role players. I hope anyone who calls themselves a basketball fan understands that. It's a fundamental part of every good team (and bad team for that matter). Like Dennis Rodman being the "trash man" for my favorite bandwagon team(s); Chicago in the 1990s.

Here's the vast difference: Last year's team had Oweh, Uzan, and Javian as their starting guards/wings (and later Waldo). Elvis, on the other hand, is being penciled in as a starter from day 1 (and he'll likely be OU's first commitment this cycle). Coaches/sources inside the OU offices are leaking that (starter) news to OU media. Those same media guys will call it a "solid get", etc. Or maybe they'll post gifs to Twitter. They won't be "upsetting the apple cart".

This team was "garbage" scoring the ball last year (120th in the country)....so yeah, I don't think it's delusions of grandeur to think a major part of this offseason should have been; GET BETTER AT SCORING THE BALL. That's not going to happen with a very average Dayton kid, who's never averaged 10 ppg in a mid-major conference (and DePaul), starting in the SEC (along with a North Texas kid who doesn't seem to have a big-time max), IMO. On paper, OU's getting worse at scoring, arguably.

Texas is a great comparison. Why? They averaged identically the same amount of ppg as OU (75.4 IIRC). I have no idea if they set out to get better at scoring, I assume so because you kind of should, but I don't read their media close enough. As things are trending right now, they will, on paper, exceed their lost production with their portal additions. Plus their freshmen are damn good (Tre Johnson could be special). Texas is improving. OU won't be exceeding their lost production unless things start trending differently and I think we're too far gone for things to change now (they're not going to reverse course on Elvis, for example).

OU's plucking Kobe Elvis away from Charleston to start at the 2G spot. That doesn't excite me, I'm sorry. My favorite college basketball team hasn't made the tournament in three long a** years and things aren't shaping up, in my opinion, for a tourney run in year 4. As we sit here today, of course. Can it change? Maybe. I hope so. A lot depends on Pedulla and/or Garrison. If OU fumbles one or both, we should maybe have "pay the buyout now" conversations (which Joe C won't do anyway).
Why do you think we are penciling him as a starter already? That’s a big assumltion
 
I wrote an 820-word post at like 2 am in response, lol. I'll try to make this one 500 words or less.

I deleted it. Obviously.

I don't think your response is aimed at me but since I'm a vocal anti-Elvis (as a starter) poster...

On one hand, a Dart comparison makes sense. Both Dart and Elvis are role-player types. In other words, not go-to scorers. Teams need role players. I hope anyone who calls themselves a basketball fan understands that. It's a fundamental part of every good team (and bad team for that matter). Like Dennis Rodman being the "trash man" for my favorite bandwagon team(s); Chicago in the 1990s.

Here's the vast difference: Last year's team had Oweh, Uzan, and Javian as their starting guards/wings (and later Waldo). Elvis, on the other hand, is being penciled in as a starter from day 1 (and he'll likely be OU's first commitment this cycle). Coaches/sources inside the OU offices are leaking that (starter) news to OU media. Those same media guys will call it a "solid get", etc. Or maybe they'll post gifs to Twitter. They won't be "upsetting the apple cart".

This team was "garbage" scoring the ball last year (120th in the country)....so yeah, I don't think it's delusions of grandeur to think a major part of this offseason should have been; GET BETTER AT SCORING THE BALL. That's not going to happen with a very average Dayton kid, who's never averaged 10 ppg in a mid-major conference (and DePaul), starting in the SEC (along with a North Texas kid who doesn't seem to have a big-time max), IMO. On paper, OU's getting worse at scoring, arguably.

Texas is a great comparison. Why? They averaged identically the same amount of ppg as OU (75.4 IIRC). I have no idea if they set out to get better at scoring, I assume so because you kind of should, but I don't read their media close enough. As things are trending right now, they will, on paper, exceed their lost production with their portal additions. Plus their freshmen are damn good (Tre Johnson could be special). Texas is improving. OU won't be exceeding their lost production unless things start trending differently and I think we're too far gone for things to change now (they're not going to reverse course on Elvis, for example).

OU's plucking Kobe Elvis away from Charleston to start at the 2G spot. That doesn't excite me, I'm sorry. My favorite college basketball team hasn't made the tournament in three long a** years and things aren't shaping up, in my opinion, for a tourney run in year 4. As we sit here today, of course. Can it change? Maybe. I hope so. A lot depends on Pedulla and/or Garrison. If OU fumbles one or both, we should maybe have "pay the buyout now" conversations (which Joe C won't do anyway).


My comment wasn’t directed at you at all. And I would agree, IF Elvis ends up being a starter, that’s prob not ideal…depending on who he’s surrounded by. If there are real solid pieces around him, then that’s diff. Nothing wrong with even a starter giving you only 8-10 ppg.

There’s always a surprise in these portal classes. We will most likely sign someone who none of us are even talking about at this point. I mean, Jalon Moore came out of no where last year, and no one thought much of him at the time, but he turned out to be a very solid player for us.

I won’t complain about getting a kid like Elvis until I see the full class.
 
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