McKenna

gwydion said:
Sure they want both. Who doesn't? But a team full of good citizens with an average record doesn't get picked up for TV. They don't make the post season. The people who pay donor money, season ticket money or just come to a game now and then and pay at the door come to see a winner, not a group of kids working to improve their life.
Yes, the coaching staff needs to make sure they are making grades and give them the opportunity plus encourage them to go beyond the field and into the community, but that isn't their first focus and ultimately not what they are being paid to do. You're kidding yourself if you think the revenue and the good publicity from a winning team doesn't come first.
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You have just made the best possible argument for eliminating sports from universities. You have stated the reality that the NCAA has never admitted, as well as that which the college presidents must now come to grips. It's about revenue rather than ethics or education---hence Penn State's recent crisis. This is also why the introduction of salaries could probably destroy college sports.

I must admit that I am more proud of Caton Hill and her service as a physician than I am of anyone who goes pro. I would prefer Senator Paris to Center Paris.
 
SoonerShamrock said:
The opening post in this thread and the accompanying picture brings to mind Sherri's oft quoted statement about getting who we're supposed to have.
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This is the complete wrong attitude in recruiting.

You're supposed to get WHO YOU WANT.
 
I guess that it is possible to do that. I'm not sure that the price is necessarily worth it. What are we wiling to do to achieve this? Some schools have pretty much sold their souls, although the NCAA doesn't seem to care. I guess that we do have someone who could recruit to OU in Griffin. He is probably the hottest young star in basketball. But, it is illegal for him to recruit. I guess we could find a way around it.

I think Sherri means that you get pretty much the best that your school, given its +++ and ---, will tend to get certain recruits and probably not others. If you don't get what you want, the question might become why. Not everyone sees OU, Norman, and Oklahoma the way that you do. There are some that you just have a low probability of getting.
 
We can pretend recruiting isn't a Sales function that college hoops exists in some utopian world, but it's not.

Again, if Bob needed to change up his recruiting practices radically to keep up with the Joneses.
Why is it so strange to to query that Sherri needs to do the same.
OU just got a football verbal today. The coaches are all over Twitter indirectly announcing it.

Where are the women's hoops coaches on Twitter??
 
atlantasooner said:
We can pretend recruiting isn't a Sales function that college hoops exists in some utopian world, but it's not.

Again, if Bob needed to change up his recruiting practices radically to keep up with the Joneses.
Why is it so strange to to query that Sherri needs to do the same.
OU just got a football verbal today. The coaches are all over Twitter indirectly announcing it.

Where are the women's hoops coaches on Twitter??
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At some point, you are going to discover that football is football, gymnastics is gymnastics, softball is softball, and basketball is basketball. You may discover that we are quite different in how attractive we are in each.
 
atlantasooner said:
Where are the women's hoops coaches on Twitter??
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Let me make sure I understand. You're either implying or stating outright that a Div. 1 coach cannot recruit successfully if he/she does not tweet?
 
Yes.
With this generation of socially media savvy players. Yes.

Bob has an active twitter account. Do I really need to say any more??
 
I don't think you can hold Bob up as the epitome. Just go look at the football board with all of the so and so commits to OSU, TT, TAM, etc. usually followed by I thought we were in solid with so and so. Or check football Brainiacs with their three part series on "Recruiting Issues" or Sooner Schooner with the four page "Oklahoma Recruiting Issues"

No, recruiting is much more than social media. It has it's place but you really do need to say more than "Bob does it."
 
The point about Bob having a Twitter account is that his level of resistance to having one was finally far outweighed by him realizing the utility and effectiveness in recruiting.
It has nothing to do with football as a sport more to Bob's complete and utter disdain for the application prior to the last 18 months.

I'm not saying Twitter is 100% of recruiting.

But as someone who has followed football recruiting and blogged about it before there was blogging and Rivals/Scout/247, I can tell you Twitter has transformed football recruiting completely in a 4 year time frame.

BTW, Geno and McGraw have active Twitter accounts.
If you don't think recruits/offers/pre offers are following these threads, then
you are kidding yourselves.
 
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atlantasooner said:
The point about Bob having a Twitter account is that his level of resistance to having one was finally far outweighed by him realizing the utility and effectiveness in recruiting.
It has nothing to do with football as a sport more to Bob's complete and utter disdain for the application prior to the last 18 months.

I'm not saying Twitter is 100% of recruiting.

But as someone who has followed football recruiting and blogged about it before there was blogging and Rivals/Scout/247, I can tell you Twitter has transformed football recruiting completely in a 4 year time frame.

BTW, Geno and McGraw have active Twitter accounts.
If you don't think recruits/offers/pre offers are following these threads, then
you are kidding yourselves.
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Karen Aston is recruiting at a much higher level than GiGi ever did at Texas. Karen is also an avid Twitter user. In fact, her recruiting has to be in the top 5 in the country. I doubt that Karen believes she is wasting her time when she posts on Twitter. Obviously, Austin hasn't changed that much nor has the University of Texas. So, why has their recruiting gone through the roof? Very simply, it's because Texas now has new recruiters. That goes hand in hand with what we have said about OU, who is doing the recruiting matters...a lot!

Building relationships is the key to recruiting. Twitter is a tool that can be used to help in those relationships. Twitter is used by a large percentage of young people. As long as they use Twitter, why would you not want to have a presence and be active where they are?
 
Holding basketball camps is another way to build relationships, not only with the athletes, but their parents as well. I'm sure Sherri has her reasons for dropping them, but as a fan, it's hard to understand why. The other coaches at OU certainly aren't dropping them. If camps and social media are not necessary in today's recruiting environment, why is everyone else doing it?
 
Keller Sooner said:
Holding basketball camps is another way to build relationships, not only with the athletes, but their parents as well. I'm sure Sherri has her reasons for dropping them, but as a fan, it's hard to understand why. The other coaches at OU certainly aren't dropping them. If camps and social media are not necessary in today's recruiting environment, why is everyone else doing it?
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Very good points!
 
It's hard for me to understand how high school students and/or coaches could build relationships by posting 140 characters (or less) on twitter. But I have to acknowledge that I'm an old fogey who's totally clueless when it comes to today's culture.
 
scrybe,
3 years ago I would have completely agreed with you.
But being on Twitter it's stunning how much information and traffic is being generated by
recruiting for all sports.
 
I was wrong about McKenna and Gabbi's arrival date, they are both coming today. I thought it was yesterday.
 
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