Measuring tmg's loss

[Big Old Booger]

That's exactly where I'm at; to single out any one of the three for full blame is stupid. IMO, they all are at fault. We started this season with three supposedly top shelf talents, and they are all three talented. All three have NBA aspirations, but we needed them to realize that putting aside the ego and petty disagreements would help them realize their aspirations as much as it helped the team. In that, they all three failed.

+1

And...not just those 3 failed.

Crocker failed by questioning the summer workout program (if that's true; reported a couple of weeks back by Sittler).
Pledger and Fitz failed for the shoplifting incident.

Most everybody failed and that's why the season ended like it did.

 

[BigTime]

Then what is the Warren bashing?

If you are referring to me personally, then I stand by everything I have said regarding Willie. If the Austin paper quote is correct then so does Capel.

 

[playmakr]

If you are referring to me personally, then I stand by everything I have said regarding Willie. If the Austin paper quote is correct then so does Capel.

I didn't ask you to stand by anything, I asked you what do you call it. If ragging on TMG is a coping mechanism for some, (regardless if people stand behind it or not) what is it for Willie?

Why is it okay if it's about Willie but it's not okay if it's about TMG? Why are you the arbiter of who is discussed and why are you the arbiter of which rumors are true and not true?

 

[BigTime]

I didn't ask you to stand by anything, I asked you what do you call it. If ragging on TMG is a coping mechanism for some, what is it for Willie?

The difference for me personally (and I can't speak on behalf of others) is that I have heard of the stuff that Willie did off the court (if you really want to know then PM me but I am not going to throw around out here). People have told me about his behavior in practice. These are folks that know a heck of a lot more about the current OU basketball team then I do. All of this talk of TMG being a bad teammate and such is pure speculation. Call it the same thing if you must, but I don't see that way, and until someone that is in the know tells me otherwise about TMG, then I won't see it otherwise.

Difference number 2 is that Willie was a Soph who was expected to lead this team. This was Willie's team. He had everything to lose by not giving effort and by not being a leader (sure-fire top 5 pick in a weak draft year), and he blew it big time. He blew it long before he hurt his ankle.

If I could choose between having TMG back or Willie back then I would take TMG everytime. Unfortunately, I think we lose both.

Edit: How am I controlling what rumors are true or not? Believe who and what you want to believe. I like my track record and I like the guys that tell me information.

 

[playmakr]

The difference for me personally (and I can't speak on behalf of others) is that I have heard of the stuff that Willie did off the court (if you really want to know then PM me but I am not going to throw around out here). People have told me about his behavior in practice. These are folks that know a heck of a lot more about the current OU basketball team then I do. All of this talk of TMG being a bad teammate and such is pure speculation. Call it the same thing if you must, but I don't see that way, and until someone that is in the know tells me otherwise about TMG, then I won't see it otherwise.

Difference number 2 is that Willie was a Soph who was expected to lead this team. This was Willie's team. He had everything to lose by not giving effort and by not being a leader (sure-fire top 5 pick in a weak draft year), and he blew it big time. He blew it long before he hurt his ankle.

If I could choose between having TMG back or Willie back then I would take TMG everytime. Unfortunately, I think we lose both.

So it just comes down to you being the arbiter of what is true or not true? People can throw Willie under the bus based on half-baked rumors, (some substantiated by credible sources, others not) but nobody dare throw TMG under the bus based on half-baked rumors. (some substantiated by credible sources, others not)

Just because you deemed such rumors to be true or untrue, doesn't mean it's not hypocritical to get on people for ragging on TMG, while using countless posts to make sure everyone knows how bad a person Willie is. Those people may have information you don't have, and you may not have all the information on Willie you think you have. If you think one group is coping, the others must be as well.

For the record, I would love to have both of them back.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The difference for me personally (and I can't speak on behalf of others) is that I have heard of the stuff that Willie did off the court (if you really want to know then PM me but I am not going to throw around out here). People have told me about his behavior in practice. These are folks that know a heck of a lot more about the current OU basketball team then I do. All of this talk of TMG being a bad teammate and such is pure speculation. Call it the same thing if you must, but I don't see that way, and until someone that is in the know tells me otherwise about TMG, then I won't see it otherwise.

Difference number 2 is that Willie was a Soph who was expected to lead this team. This was Willie's team. He had everything to lose by not giving effort and by not being a leader (sure-fire top 5 pick in a weak draft year), and he blew it big time. He blew it long before he hurt his ankle.

If I could choose between having TMG back or Willie back then I would take TMG everytime. Unfortunately, I think we lose both.

Edit: How am I controlling what rumors are true or not? Believe who and what you want to believe. I like my track record and I like the guys that tell me information.

it could still be considered a coping mechanism though, even if all you say is true.

 

[thebigabd]

These players have the fans turning on each other!

 

[BigTime]

So it just comes down to you being the arbiter of what is true or not true? People can throw Willie under the bus based on half-baked rumors, (some substantiated by credible sources, others not) but nobody dare throw TMG uunder the bus based on half-baked rumors. (some substantiated by credible sources, others not)

Feel free not to believe me. Its certainly within your right as a poster. It won't hurt my feelings. You're right, I could be wrong.

 

[BigTime]

it could still be considered a coping mechanism though, even if all you say is true.

Good point it still could. But at this point (as I sit with a Sherron Collins as my avatar for another week and then OSU for another month), I am beyond trying to cope with the situation. haha

I am just bracing myself to find out what is going to happen next.

 

[playmakr]

Feel free not to believe me. Its certainly within your right as a poster. It won't hurt my feelings. You're right, I could be wrong.

Again, it has nothing to do with believing or not believing you. If that's what you think I asked about, I'm not doing a good job of explaining my question or post.

In the posters minds ragging on TMG, they make think their information is just as credible as yours (whether that is true or not isn't the point) so if they are using a coping mechanism, the Willie antagonists must be as well.

You think Willie is "worse" than TMG based on information you have, they think TMG is "bad" based on information they have, or conjecture. One group can be wrong, but if you claim one group simply wants to cope, it holds true for the other group as well. (even if you are right, which I'm not arguing for or against)

The truth is people are just frustrated and like to vent. Willie is most likely gone, so it is logical to throw him under the bus. That is human nature. Now that TMG is most likely gone (unsubstantiated) people will blame him for the same reason.

 

[danbear45]

I think where it could hurt the most is it is one less body we are going to have next year. OU basketball could be on the brink of an Indiana University type collapse if things do not start turning around.

 

[BigTime]

Again, it has nothing to do with believing or not believing you. If that's what you think I asked about, I'm not doing a good job of explaining my question or post.

In the posters minds ragging on TMG, they make think their information is just as credible as yours (whether that is true or not isn't the point) so if they are using a coping mechanism, the Willie antagonists must be as well.

You think Willie is "worse" than TMG based on information you have, they think TMG is "bad" based on information they have, or conjecture. One group can be wrong, but if you claim one group simply wants to cope, it holds true for the other group as well. (even if you are right, which I'm not arguing for or against)

That's fine. But I still have the right to post my opinion on the subject. I am not stopping them from posting; only voicing my displeasure, which is what you are now doing. They certainly don't have to listen to me. Most people on message boards don't really listen to each other anyway. It's all good.

Back on subject,

TMG's loss is too much to measure.

 

[playmakr]

That's fine. But I still have the right to post my opinion on the subject. I am not stopping them from posting; only voicing my displeasure, which is what you are now doing. They certainly don't have to listen to me. Most people on message boards don't really listen to each other anyway. It's all good.

Back on subject:

TMG's loss is too much to measure.

Exactly, I felt you went out of your way to dissuade them from discussing their opinions by saying they are simply coping.

back on subject as well:

Losing TMG is a disaster.

 

[BigTime]

Exactly, I felt you went out of your way to dissuade them from discussing their opinions by saying they are simply coping.

back on subject as well:

Losing TMG is a disaster.

Agreed.