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Can someone post Berry Tramel's article on Cruela de Vil? I would love to see it.
 
She's a beast. She's crazy but she's a beast for a coach. The type everyone hates unless she's your coach and then you love her.
 
I noticed that it quoted OSU's coach but not ours. Heh
 
Romulus said:
She's a beast. She's crazy but she's a beast for a coach. The type everyone hates unless she's your coach and then you love her.
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Agreed. I admire her intensity. She sticks up for her players and the refs respect her thus her teams get a lot of calls.

I have no clue if her players graduate but that seems to be the norm in women's basketball. If she graduates players combined with her success what's not to like? Is she abrasive? Yes.

I know the resident bandy Sybarite doesn't like her because of the kids she recruits. I haven't figured that out. Seems like Sherri should recruit some girls like that because those players win. It's not like her players are of the same ilk as Barry's players that raped a girl, dealt drugs and shot a teammate.

Sherri seems to recruit players who could afford college without a basketball scholarship for the most part and those players, it seems based on the results, just aren't hungry to win.
 
Big Old Booger said:
Agreed. I admire her intensity. She sticks up for her players and the refs respect her thus her teams get a lot of calls.

I have no clue if her players graduate but that seems to be the norm in women's basketball. If she graduates players combined with her success what's not to like? Is she abrasive? Yes.

I know the resident bandy Sybarite doesn't like her because of the kids she recruits. I haven't figured that out. Seems like Sherri should recruit some girls like that because those players win. It's not like her players are of the same ilk as Barry's players that raped a girl, dealt drugs and shot a teammate.

Sherri seems to recruit players who could afford college without a basketball scholarship for the most part and those players, it seems based on the results, just aren't hungry to win.
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As far as I know, Baylor players graduate at a high level. This year Baylor has 3 players who made First Team Big 12 Academic Team. OU had 2 players who made it.
 
We have now had two different players from national title teams leave Baylor with less than pleasant things to say about Baylor and Kim. Is that really what you want for a university program? Do you really want someone, or an institution, that the players leave with an element of contempt and disgust? Niemann didn't even wait until graduation before escaping the atmosphere of Baylor and Kim.

Is this an academic institution? Is this the type of academic setting of which you would be proud? Do you want a program in which the former players are ashamed of their association with you, of which they write that they are not comfortable?

Apparently, people on the message boards of Baylor opponents were not the only ones creating an uncomfortable situation for Griner. She didn't feel welcome in her own program.

Would you be proud of the University of Oklahoma if we won a national title, only to have the players question the integrity and honor of the coach and university?
 
sybarite said:
We have now had two different players from national title teams leave Baylor with less than pleasant things to say about Baylor and Kim. Is that really what you want for a university program? Do you really want someone, or an institution, that the players leave with an element of contempt and disgust? Niemann didn't even wait until graduation before escaping the atmosphere of Baylor and Kim.

Is this an academic institution? Is this the type of academic setting of which you would be proud? Do you want a program in which the former players are ashamed of their association with you, of which they write that they are not comfortable?
Apparently, people on the message boards of Baylor opponents were not the only ones creating an uncomfortable situation for Griner. She didn't feel welcome in her own program.

Would you be proud of the University of Oklahoma if we won a national title, only to have the players question the integrity and honor of the coach and university?
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One should not infer that Griner was upset with Mulkey when that was never the case. Griner's dissatisfaction with the Baylor program is primarily based on Baylor University's official written policy against homosexuality. An policy that is consistent with the teaching of the Baptist faith at a Baptist university.

Griner was aware of the university's position on homosexuality and I am sure understood Mulkey's position on not making a public forum on the subject. Moreover, she stated in her book that she loved and respected Kim.

Kim most definitely has her warts that need to be removed but Griner has raised no red flag implicating Kim doing any wrong doing. To imply such is not right.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ty-baylor-animosity-in-tell-all-book/5840791/
 
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sybarite said:
We have now had two different players from national title teams leave Baylor with less than pleasant things to say about Baylor and Kim. Is that really what you want for a university program? Do you really want someone, or an institution, that the players leave with an element of contempt and disgust? Niemann didn't even wait until graduation before escaping the atmosphere of Baylor and Kim.

Is this an academic institution? Is this the type of academic setting of which you would be proud? Do you want a program in which the former players are ashamed of their association with you, of which they write that they are not comfortable?

Apparently, people on the message boards of Baylor opponents were not the only ones creating an uncomfortable situation for Griner. She didn't feel welcome in her own program.

Would you be proud of the University of Oklahoma if we won a national title, only to have the players question the integrity and honor of the coach and university?
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Based on Spock's post, it's only 1 player in 15 years. That's not a bad record.
 
Wonder if Kim has turned off some of the Texas high school coaches? After raiding the Dallas AAU team for Texas best in Griner's class, they now have 5 of 12 on their roster from Texas. They are graduating 2, Sims and Roberston, and have signed 2 with only 1 being from Texas. So, next year, if they don't sign any additional players, they will only have 4 of 12 from the state of Texas. I would think with her success, Texas high school stars would be beating down the door to be a Lady Bear. Wouldn't they???

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/bay-w-baskbl-mtt.html

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/239/class/2014
 
sybarite said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ty-baylor-animosity-in-tell-all-book/5840791/

I don't know that you can say that it is an inference when Griner is rather specific in stating that Kim didn't want her to reveal her sexuality, and she stated that their relationship began to unravel.
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As usual you are putting words in someone's mouth, Griner this time. Griner never said their relationship had started to unravel. Scott Gleeson, the author, made that statement after referencing her concern that Mulkey told her to not to be open publicly about her sexuality.

It seems logical that Griner may have wanted Mulkey's support on her coming out but one must remember that Mulkey's first obligation is to her employer who has an official written policy regarding Griner's sexuality. Coming out while at Baylor was a lose/lose situation for all parties and Mulkey was giving good advise.

If might have been difficult for Griner, at 20-21 years of age, to understand Mulkey's stance but as was stated in the article she never lost respect or love for her coach. Griner even stated that "we had created something magical for almost four years"
 
SoonerSpock said:
One should not infer that Griner was upset with Mulkey when that was never the case. Griner's dissatisfaction with the Baylor program is primarily based on Baylor University's official written policy against homosexuality. An policy that is consistent with the teaching of the Baptist faith at a Baptist university.

Griner was aware of the university's position on homosexuality and I am sure understood Mulkey's position on not making a public forum on the subject. Moreover, she stated in her book that she loved and respected Kim.

Kim most definitely has her warts that need to be removed but Griner has raised no red flag implicating Kim doing any wrong doing. To imply such is not right.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ty-baylor-animosity-in-tell-all-book/5840791/
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You keep changing your posts.
Fact: does the story about Griner's book suggest that Griner and Kim had a falling out?

Fact: the same story told to another source:
http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/...er-recalls-difficulties-baylor-years-new-book
"Griner's father, Ray, accused Mulkey of shying away from Griner because 'there's nothing in it for Kim anymore, so she's done with Brittney.'"

Should this be the attitude if you have treated his child with respect and honor?
 
tycat947 said:
Wonder if Kim has turned off some of the Texas high school coaches? After raiding the Dallas AAU team for Texas best in Griner's class, they now have 5 of 12 on their roster from Texas. They are graduating 2, Sims and Roberston, and have signed 2 with only 1 being from Texas. So, next year, if they don't sign any additional players, they will only have 4 of 12 from the state of Texas. I would think with her success, Texas high school stars would be beating down the door to be a Lady Bear. Wouldn't they???

http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/bay-w-baskbl-mtt.html

http://espn.go.com/high-school/girls-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/239/class/2014
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Valid point that may have some merit. Time will tell as Baylor has become a national power with the ability to recruit anyone any where so I would expect more diversity on her roster now. However, should she fail to sign any of the top national kids from Texas for a couple of years the red flag may be waiving.
 
SoonerSpock said:
As usual you are putting words in someone's mouth, Griner this time. Griner never said their relationship had started to unravel. Scott Gleeson, the author, made that statement after referencing her concern that Mulkey told her to not to be open publicly about her sexuality.

It seems logical that Griner may have wanted Mulkey's support on her coming out but one must remember that Mulkey's first obligation is to her employer who has an official written policy regarding Griner's sexuality. Coming out while at Baylor was a lose/lose situation for all parties and Mulkey was giving good advise.

If might have been difficult for Griner, at 20-21 years of age, to understand Mulkey's stance but as was stated in the article she never lost respect or love for her coach. Griner even stated that "we had created something magical for almost four years"
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So, Griner had no control over the final version of the book which stated that the relationship had begun to unravel? Griner didn't approve of that statement? The author is in conflict with Griner?

Aren't you stretching it a bit far to assume that Griner, despite the comments of her author and her father, really had a good relationship with Kim? They just made these comments without her?

I suspect that Griner left it that she is able to let bygones be bygones, but that she has lost faith in Kim or their relationship. She is trying to be mature about the situation, but the statements of her author and her father suggest strained relationships.
 
I've stopped caring about the whole Mulkey/Griner thing now that they aren't beating us every season, but it did surprise me that they couldn't come up with more than one national title during her college career.
 
http://www.swishappeal.com/2013/5/2...ner-coming-out-lesbian-baylor-players-respond

In response to ESPN’s latest feature, ex-Baylor players were adamant about sharing another perspective to this story -- and since it was not represented in the original piece. So here’s their perspective in their own words.

When Sheila Lambert came to Baylor back in 2000 along with head coach Kim Mulkey, the program wasn't nearly as prominent on the national landscape as it is now.

Lambert went on to become the best player in Baylor's history to that point well before Brittney Griner came along and was eventually drafted No. 7 in the 2002 WNBA draft. In short, Lambert was one of the key figures who helped build the foundation for today’s Baylor program alongside Mulkey.

So when Lambert heard about ESPN’s Outside the Lines story about Brittney Griner and Kim Mulkey, her reaction was anger and disgust.

“It’s years that I would never forget; I wouldn’t trade them in for the world. Coach Mulkey is an outstanding, not just a coach, but an outstanding person. It’s so crazy to hear what is being said about her right now -- it blew my mind. I would never in a million years think that or even a little bit, Coach Mulkey would never…ever…EVER -- you know what I’m saying? I know her, I know what type of person she is and I know that she treats her players as if they’re her only children.

"She always wanted us to be the best person that you could be as a young lady, and then basketball comes second. All she worried about (was) you going to class and you making those grades and you performing on the court. NOT ONCE since I’ve know Coach Kim, not once has she asked me about my personal life, about my sexuality, about anything that has anything to do with my personal life - coach Kim didn’t care. You were there to graduate college and she would tell you that.

"When I left in 2002, when I got drafted, she called me and touched base with me every month for four years telling me to come back and finish school. She didn’t have to -- for four years until I went back and finished, she didn’t leave me alone. ‘You need to come back, and you need to finish school -- that is the ultimate goal, we are going to get you a degree.’ I’m pissed first and foremost because I know what type of person Coach Mulkey is, she treats you as if you are her child. She wanted everybody to see that person for who they are, not for what they choose to do in their (personal) life. The craziest thing (about all of this) is that she doesn’t even speak on that! It hurts my heart…it hurts my heart that somebody can reach out and bash her. Whatever issues that may be going on, that is a great woman!"

In response to ESPN’s latest feature, Lambert and other ex-Baylor players were adamant about sharing another perspective to this story since it was not represented in the original piece. Swish Appeal had the opportunity to speak with a couple other former Baylor players and this is their perspective in their own words:

Jhasmin Player (2005-09)

“Ok, so after seeing, reading and hearing about Baylor University and Griner these past couple of days, my anger and frustration has turned into down right... PAIN. Pain knowing a woman who has done NOTHING but try her hardest to love and protect her 'cubs' from the media, from the public, from the fans, from the lovers, from the HATERS, and to end up being hurt by the accusations by a former player.

“My issue is I was teammates with Emily (Nkosi) for a year, and I have not seen or heard from her in eight years. And they had to (reach out to her) because if they reached out to any other Baylor players, we all over the country, we aren’t going to back that. And I’ve talked to at least 10 to 20 of them today -- we all feel (angry) about [this report].

“Baylor was everything to me; it’s crazy because I support (them) so much. Coach Mulkey -- I was there for four years, and I saw nothing but (her) fight for us. When Griner punched that girl, Coach Mulkey was like, ‘Media, you better not say anything, and you let me handle her because that’s not your child.’ And that’s how she treated us, the whole time we were there. She protected us from the media; she protected us from the public."

Stasha Richards (1999-2003)

“In all of my years being around her and being around the program, as a past player and working camps, I’ve never heard her say to anyone that…any type of team meeting, no forum ever -- and I’m a coach and she never ever (has and) would never even discuss sexuality, what you do in your private time, who you date, we never discussed any of those types of things. And I’ve never personally heard or insinuation of, ‘you can’t be who you are, you can’t be yourself…ever.’ And what I’m hearing from other teammates and other people, there was never that pressure put on anyone to be perceived to be something they are not.

"Here’s what I want to say: I’ve watched -- because I’m very close to the program -- I’ve watched people destroy Brittney in the media about her looks, about her voice, about the way she talks, the way she walks -- and I’ve watched Kim lose sleep over defending and making statements and making sure she was respected. In my opinion, she went out of her way to defend her.

“There’s no question, [a person] coming out is not a question. People watching TV are not going, ‘Oh, really, they’re gay?’ They’re going, ‘Oh okay, now onto other news.’ And (Baylor) was not shortsighted as to say, ‘She looks a certain type of way, we’re not going to have that.’ But they are doing that at other institutions -- trust me. I had this conversation less than two weeks ago about another institution, ‘they look a certain type of way, don’t bring them in.’ There’s got to be something going on that we don’t know.

“When I woke up, about 45 minutes into the day, they already had a group of (people) that didn’t even play, just around the program are like…pissed -- because Kim is loyal. What is this about? It has to be about something that happened from the last game up until now. (Griner) wasn’t at the banquet and (she didn’t) graduate. When you are insinuating that a university is less than fair when it comes to who they let attend, I think that’s a little unfair. Because I had a lot of teammates that have come through and everybody was allowed to be who they were."

http://www.ourdailybears.com/baylor...tney-griner-so-anxious-to-leave-baylor-behind

Griner's War of Words with Baylor University

Since the initial "Outside The Lines" segment aired on ESPN a couple of weeks ago, I’ve had very mixed emotions about this "situation" regarding Brittney Griner and Baylor University.

I’m a staunch supporter of gay rights, probably much more so than the average Baylor fan. It saddens me that so many kids discover they are gay, and feel like they have to hide who they are. Some fear the reaction of their parents, some fear ridicule by their peers, and some even have to fear violence.

Brittney came out to her parents as a middle school student. When she arrived at Baylor in 2009, I think it’s safe to say most people assumed she was gay. She was the subject of ridicule, be it by internet "tough guys" who wrote some of the most disgusting things about another human being you could ever read, or at road games where she was verbally assaulted and even physically threatened. But she was always supported by Baylor and, more specifically, by Coach Kim Mulkey. If there was one thing Brittney didn’t have to deal with, it was ridicule from Baylor fans. You would be hard pressed to find a Baylor fan or alum that didn't defend Brittney as though she was family.

And that’s what made the comments from Brittney in the ESPNW article so hard to swallow (you can find it here). Friday afternoon, 1660 ESPN’s David Smoak aired interviews with two of Griner’s former teammates, Brooklyn Pope and Jordan Madden, where both of these ladies commented on their quotes in the article, Coach Kim Mulkey, and their experience as basketball players at Baylor. In their interviews, they both tell a much different side of the story than is portrayed by Griner in the Kate Fagan piece. Not of a coach who told her players to keep their sexuality a secret for recruiting purposes, but of a coach who made every effort to protect her players, by having them keep all of their personal business personal.

Baylor had been completely quiet on the issue, until Friday evening when Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning News tweeted the following comment from Baylor President Ken Starr: "All I know is that we adore her, she had four great years and we’re proud of her." There has been much talk of Baylor’s official stance on homosexuality, but I believe President Starr’s comments mirror that of the vast majority of Baylor fans.

I still hold out hope that Brittney’s recent comments are guided by the greed of an agent, the desperation of a writer with an agenda, and a network who has a vested interest in the prosperity of the league where Griner now plays. I know Brittney's life outside of basketball has not been easy. I'm sure all of the years of verbal attacks have taken a toll on her emotionally. Maybe that's part of why she's made the comments that she has. I hope she will see that Baylor fans still want to be Brittney Griner fans, and she'll stop pushing them away. I hope someday there can be reconciliation between Brittney and Baylor, because the story of Baylor’s athletic resurgence isn't complete without her.



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I'm sure that Sherri and OU would want her players to keep quiet about their sexuality just as Kim and Baylor did.
 
SoonerNorm said:
http://www.swishappeal.com/2013/5/2...ner-coming-out-lesbian-baylor-players-respond

In response to ESPN’s latest feature, ex-Baylor players were adamant about sharing another perspective to this story -- and since it was not represented in the original piece. So here’s their perspective in their own words.

When Sheila Lambert came to Baylor back in 2000 along with head coach Kim Mulkey, the program wasn't nearly as prominent on the national landscape as it is now.

Lambert went on to become the best player in Baylor's history to that point well before Brittney Griner came along and was eventually drafted No. 7 in the 2002 WNBA draft. In short, Lambert was one of the key figures who helped build the foundation for today’s Baylor program alongside Mulkey.

So when Lambert heard about ESPN’s Outside the Lines story about Brittney Griner and Kim Mulkey, her reaction was anger and disgust.

“It’s years that I would never forget; I wouldn’t trade them in for the world. Coach Mulkey is an outstanding, not just a coach, but an outstanding person. It’s so crazy to hear what is being said about her right now -- it blew my mind. I would never in a million years think that or even a little bit, Coach Mulkey would never…ever…EVER -- you know what I’m saying? I know her, I know what type of person she is and I know that she treats her players as if they’re her only children.

"She always wanted us to be the best person that you could be as a young lady, and then basketball comes second. All she worried about (was) you going to class and you making those grades and you performing on the court. NOT ONCE since I’ve know Coach Kim, not once has she asked me about my personal life, about my sexuality, about anything that has anything to do with my personal life - coach Kim didn’t care. You were there to graduate college and she would tell you that.

"When I left in 2002, when I got drafted, she called me and touched base with me every month for four years telling me to come back and finish school. She didn’t have to -- for four years until I went back and finished, she didn’t leave me alone. ‘You need to come back, and you need to finish school -- that is the ultimate goal, we are going to get you a degree.’ I’m pissed first and foremost because I know what type of person Coach Mulkey is, she treats you as if you are her child. She wanted everybody to see that person for who they are, not for what they choose to do in their (personal) life. The craziest thing (about all of this) is that she doesn’t even speak on that! It hurts my heart…it hurts my heart that somebody can reach out and bash her. Whatever issues that may be going on, that is a great woman!"

In response to ESPN’s latest feature, Lambert and other ex-Baylor players were adamant about sharing another perspective to this story since it was not represented in the original piece. Swish Appeal had the opportunity to speak with a couple other former Baylor players and this is their perspective in their own words:

Jhasmin Player (2005-09)

“Ok, so after seeing, reading and hearing about Baylor University and Griner these past couple of days, my anger and frustration has turned into down right... PAIN. Pain knowing a woman who has done NOTHING but try her hardest to love and protect her 'cubs' from the media, from the public, from the fans, from the lovers, from the HATERS, and to end up being hurt by the accusations by a former player.

“My issue is I was teammates with Emily (Nkosi) for a year, and I have not seen or heard from her in eight years. And they had to (reach out to her) because if they reached out to any other Baylor players, we all over the country, we aren’t going to back that. And I’ve talked to at least 10 to 20 of them today -- we all feel (angry) about [this report].

“Baylor was everything to me; it’s crazy because I support (them) so much. Coach Mulkey -- I was there for four years, and I saw nothing but (her) fight for us. When Griner punched that girl, Coach Mulkey was like, ‘Media, you better not say anything, and you let me handle her because that’s not your child.’ And that’s how she treated us, the whole time we were there. She protected us from the media; she protected us from the public."

Stasha Richards (1999-2003)

“In all of my years being around her and being around the program, as a past player and working camps, I’ve never heard her say to anyone that…any type of team meeting, no forum ever -- and I’m a coach and she never ever (has and) would never even discuss sexuality, what you do in your private time, who you date, we never discussed any of those types of things. And I’ve never personally heard or insinuation of, ‘you can’t be who you are, you can’t be yourself…ever.’ And what I’m hearing from other teammates and other people, there was never that pressure put on anyone to be perceived to be something they are not.

"Here’s what I want to say: I’ve watched -- because I’m very close to the program -- I’ve watched people destroy Brittney in the media about her looks, about her voice, about the way she talks, the way she walks -- and I’ve watched Kim lose sleep over defending and making statements and making sure she was respected. In my opinion, she went out of her way to defend her.

“There’s no question, [a person] coming out is not a question. People watching TV are not going, ‘Oh, really, they’re gay?’ They’re going, ‘Oh okay, now onto other news.’ And (Baylor) was not shortsighted as to say, ‘She looks a certain type of way, we’re not going to have that.’ But they are doing that at other institutions -- trust me. I had this conversation less than two weeks ago about another institution, ‘they look a certain type of way, don’t bring them in.’ There’s got to be something going on that we don’t know.

“When I woke up, about 45 minutes into the day, they already had a group of (people) that didn’t even play, just around the program are like…pissed -- because Kim is loyal. What is this about? It has to be about something that happened from the last game up until now. (Griner) wasn’t at the banquet and (she didn’t) graduate. When you are insinuating that a university is less than fair when it comes to who they let attend, I think that’s a little unfair. Because I had a lot of teammates that have come through and everybody was allowed to be who they were."

http://www.ourdailybears.com/baylor...tney-griner-so-anxious-to-leave-baylor-behind

Griner's War of Words with Baylor University

Since the initial "Outside The Lines" segment aired on ESPN a couple of weeks ago, I’ve had very mixed emotions about this "situation" regarding Brittney Griner and Baylor University.

I’m a staunch supporter of gay rights, probably much more so than the average Baylor fan. It saddens me that so many kids discover they are gay, and feel like they have to hide who they are. Some fear the reaction of their parents, some fear ridicule by their peers, and some even have to fear violence.

Brittney came out to her parents as a middle school student. When she arrived at Baylor in 2009, I think it’s safe to say most people assumed she was gay. She was the subject of ridicule, be it by internet "tough guys" who wrote some of the most disgusting things about another human being you could ever read, or at road games where she was verbally assaulted and even physically threatened. But she was always supported by Baylor and, more specifically, by Coach Kim Mulkey. If there was one thing Brittney didn’t have to deal with, it was ridicule from Baylor fans. You would be hard pressed to find a Baylor fan or alum that didn't defend Brittney as though she was family.

And that’s what made the comments from Brittney in the ESPNW article so hard to swallow (you can find it here). Friday afternoon, 1660 ESPN’s David Smoak aired interviews with two of Griner’s former teammates, Brooklyn Pope and Jordan Madden, where both of these ladies commented on their quotes in the article, Coach Kim Mulkey, and their experience as basketball players at Baylor. In their interviews, they both tell a much different side of the story than is portrayed by Griner in the Kate Fagan piece. Not of a coach who told her players to keep their sexuality a secret for recruiting purposes, but of a coach who made every effort to protect her players, by having them keep all of their personal business personal.

Baylor had been completely quiet on the issue, until Friday evening when Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning News tweeted the following comment from Baylor President Ken Starr: "All I know is that we adore her, she had four great years and we’re proud of her." There has been much talk of Baylor’s official stance on homosexuality, but I believe President Starr’s comments mirror that of the vast majority of Baylor fans.

I still hold out hope that Brittney’s recent comments are guided by the greed of an agent, the desperation of a writer with an agenda, and a network who has a vested interest in the prosperity of the league where Griner now plays. I know Brittney's life outside of basketball has not been easy. I'm sure all of the years of verbal attacks have taken a toll on her emotionally. Maybe that's part of why she's made the comments that she has. I hope she will see that Baylor fans still want to be Brittney Griner fans, and she'll stop pushing them away. I hope someday there can be reconciliation between Brittney and Baylor, because the story of Baylor’s athletic resurgence isn't complete without her.



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I'm sure that Sherri and OU would want her players to keep quiet about their sexuality just as Kim and Baylor did.
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How did you decide between believing Griner or the other players?
 
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