Mulkey aka Cruela

[sybarite]

Were the witnesses a party to what went on between Kim and Griner or Kim and Niemann? If not, they have nothing to add.[/QUOTE ]

No but Griner's statement confirms the other players are telling the truth. All knew the school policy, all knew that Kim did not want sexuality openly discussed. The only difference is Griner wanted Kim to support her coming out after the fact when she knew both Baylor and Kim's position on gays prior to signing her LOI.

Now she wants to throw Baylor and Kim to make a few bucks from a book. Sound like someone I would not want a relationship with. Easy to see the deceit belongs to Brittany.

It is interesting that you and Norm see this as a student trying to deceive a university or take advantage of a university. The thought that it is the university that has the responsibility for the student (as does the coach) seems to have been misplaced. Who is responsible for whom?

 

[Romulus]

Syb has done a great job of getting the conversation off of Mulkey dominating the conference to her being Lesbian hating homophobe

 

[SoonerSpock]

It is interesting that you and Norm see this as a student trying to deceive a university or take advantage of a university. The thought that it is the university that has the responsibility for the student (as does the coach) seems to have been misplaced. Who is responsible for whom?

All are responsible for their own obligations including Brittany. The university gave Brittany an opportunity to get an education. Kim taught Brittany the skills to be a better basketball play and motivated her to get her degree. Brittany is entitled to nothing more. The onus to get her degree is on Brittany. Testimony would suggest Kim will try to incent her to do so.

Baylor fulfilled their responsibility to get a degree financially, academically and environmentally. Kim met her responsibility to train Brittany to play the game of basketball while providing academic assistance to get a degree. Brittany satisfied her obligation to both the university and to Kim. She stayed eligible and contributed on the basketball court throughout her eligibility.

She has just failed to express any appreciation for what they did for her. Choosing instead to throw them under the bus. She got everything she was entitled to get. Perhaps she is becoming the thug in life you declared she was on the basketball court.

 

[sybarite]

Is the same true of Niemann?

 

[DarthSooner]

Dont know much about this story, nor do i care. Heres the facts for you all:
Griner was an athletic freak of nature. She dominated this league for 3 years and will have a long WNBA career. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. everything turns into she said this and she said that!!! What matters is how she plays the game and is she giving every game her all. I dont care about anything else. Kim recruited her as a player to build a team around. This thread has gotten so off topic attacking posters opinions on sexual orientation and the like. This is a basketball forum, for basketball discussion on SOONER Teams, and big 12 opponents. This is where a moderator should step in and re-focus or close the thread entirely, but we all know that wont happen here!!! :woot:woot:facepalm

 

[Big Old Booger]

Syb has done a great job of getting the conversation off of Mulkey dominating the conference to her being Lesbian hating homophobe

He has no answer for Mulkeys domination of Sherri, OU and the Big 12.

 

[sybarite]

Let me make a position clear. I must admit that I reject everything that suggests that a student is obligated to a university. Is that not ever bowing down before the powers that be. Universities were established, as were schools, for the benefit of our society as a whole. Our social order benefits from having an educated populace. As do most mammals, we care for our young, and we prepare them for the future with education as a part of that preparation. That is our responsibility, and if we reject that, we have no business having children.

I have regarded many of Griner's actions as being inappropriate, and I have stated exactly that. I also have regarded many of Sims actions as being inappropriate. I regarded many of Wabara's actions as being inappropriate. It seems that there might be a common denominator. Since I also regard their tutor's actions as being inappropriate, it doesn't surprise me that they exhibit the inappropriate behavior which she appeared quite wiling to accept. At least, she was quite reluctant to provide any discipline for their behavior. I can't even remember the name of the girl who pulled hair.

Indeed, this all seems to stem back to one person and what she is willing to tolerate as being acceptable behavior. I don't think I am alone is thinking that Kim has exhibited behavior with respect to her own players and with respect to other coaches and players that leave something to be desired. She is a representative of an institution that claims to be an institution of higher learning, one which is supposed to set standards for the behavior of its students.

She and Baylor have failed.

It is also rather clear that Kim lied to Griner. Homosexuality was a problem. Somehow, that doesn't begin to surprise me. I find it interesting that so many former players rush to defend Kim's honor when her actions stripped her of honor long ago.

 

[SoonerSpock]

Let me make a position clear. I must admit that I reject everything that suggests that a student is obligated to a university. Is that not ever bowing down before the powers that be. Universities were established, as were schools, for the benefit of our society as a whole. Our social order benefits from having an educated populace. As do most mammals, we care for our young, and we prepare them for the future with education as a part of that preparation. That is our responsibility, and if we reject that, we have no business having children.

I have regarded many of Griner's actions as being inappropriate, and I have stated exactly that. I also have regarded many of Sims actions as being inappropriate. I regarded many of Wabara's actions as being inappropriate. It seems that there might be a common denominator. Since I also regard their tutor's actions as being inappropriate, it doesn't surprise me that they exhibit the inappropriate behavior which she appeared quite wiling to accept. At least, she was quite reluctant to provide any discipline for their behavior. I can't even remember the name of the girl who pulled hair.

Indeed, this all seems to stem back to one person and what she is willing to tolerate as being acceptable behavior. I don't think I am alone is thinking that Kim has exhibited behavior with respect to her own players and with respect to other coaches and players that leave something to be desired. She is a representative of an institution that claims to be an institution of higher learning, one which is supposed to set standards for the behavior of its students.

She and Baylor have failed.

It is also rather clear that Kim lied to Griner. Homosexuality was a problem. Somehow, that doesn't begin to surprise me. I find it interesting that so many former players rush to defend Kim's honor when her actions stripped her of honor long ago.

It is equally clear to me that Kim never lied to Griner. Griner was aware of the university policy on homosexuals. She was advised by Kim that she should not openly discuss her sexuality and there would be no problems. And had all that transpired there would not have been a problem.

To declare that Kim lied to Griner is to distort the truth. Yes based on what we know to be true your statement is the lie.

 

[threepointshooter]

Is anyone watching the Big 12 tournament championship game?

Coach Mulkey and Baylor currently lead West Virginia 38-32 at the half. Will Baylor win its 6th Big 12 tournament title since 2005?

 

[tycat947]

It is equally clear to me that Kim never lied to Griner. Griner was aware of the university policy on homosexuals. She was advised by Kim that she should not openly discuss her sexuality and there would be no problems. And had all that transpired there would not have been a problem.

To declare that Kim lied to Griner is to distort the truth. Yes based on what we know to be true your statement is the lie.

I'm not sure where you derived that Kim DIDN'T lie to Griner! Based on Hypocrite U's policy it WAS a problem and Kim just told her it wasn't. It doesn't make any difference whether she was out or not, it is a problem at that hypocritical institution! And Kim has proven (cheating) that she would stop at nothing to get Griner to Hypocrite U. I'm not sure how you would expect a 15-16 year old in Houston that more than likely had very little knowledge of or exposure to Hypocrite U to know what their policies were in regards to gays and lesbians. Kim apparently didn't say, well, in the policy manual the university thinks it's wrong therefore, don't ever mention it to anyone or you could get kicked out of school. She just said it's not a problem and then once Griner signed her letter of intent and was on campus, oh, by the way, you can't discuss your sexuality in public. And Hypocrite U was glad to have Griner as long as she didn't disclose her sexuality publicly!

 

[rocjunkie]

Hey how about those Sooners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:OUbball-logo:

 

[sybarite]

It is equally clear to me that Kim never lied to Griner. Griner was aware of the university policy on homosexuals. She was advised by Kim that she should not openly discuss her sexuality and there would be no problems. And had all that transpired there would not have been a problem.

To declare that Kim lied to Griner is to distort the truth. Yes based on what we know to be true your statement is the lie.

I would say that I'm at a loss as to how you completely ignored Griner's statement that Kim told her it was not a problem, but I'm not surprised at all.

 

[threepointshooter]

Meanwhile, Baylor just won another Big 12 tournament title.

 

[DarthSooner]

....moderators...step in....close thread....this has gotten way off topic and away from basketball.... step in...

Wishful thinking i know. :facepalm

 

[sybarite]

Actually, isn't this the topic? Mulkey aka Cruela is not exactly a basketball title.

 

[soonermom1000]

Oh was the big 12 championship game played tonight??? Who really cares??? If W. Virginia wins, then I care....Baylor gets all the calls anyway...Refs want them to win, so they will win.

 

[DarthSooner]

This topic turned multiple times over this thread, sybarite. Enough is enough here. Too many people have attacked each other and stated personal opinions. This is not a thread we want at the top of our site for other fans and "others" to see us debating. This crap has nothing to do with the game of basketball. Lest we forget the forum rules??? But with no moderators please continue this egotistical debate on who can find more quotes by players and more info to back up each persons story. If some spent half as much time researching OU stats and such as they do this crap, this forum might actually teach people things. But there i go wishing in one hand and crapping in the other....i need to go wash my hand!!!

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Darth, 45 posts, reminds me a lot of Tango.

 

[Big Old Booger]

I personally like watching Syb make a fool if himself with his baseless accusations and utmost defense of anything Sherri Coale. Had Sherri recruited Griner he would have no problem. He doesn't like Mulkey and honestly as much as she's whipped our tails not many sooner fans like her. Here's the question, why are you complaining about her instead of complaining that our coach allowed Mulkey and her program to surpass us? What will we do to catch up with her program? That's what we should be discussing. Winning cures all ills.

 

[annabelle]

facts are stubborn things....2009 was the las big 12 championship won by OU,& 2007 was the last big 12 tournament championship won by OU.

meanwhile baylor has won 4 straight regular season titles & 4 straight big 12 tournament titles,including 5 of the last six.