Mulkey aka Cruela

SoonerSpock said:
As usual you are putting words in someone's mouth, Griner this time. Griner never said their relationship had started to unravel. Scott Gleeson, the author, made that statement after referencing her concern that Mulkey told her to not to be open publicly about her sexuality.

It seems logical that Griner may have wanted Mulkey's support on her coming out but one must remember that Mulkey's first obligation is to her employer who has an official written policy regarding Griner's sexuality. Coming out while at Baylor was a lose/lose situation for all parties and Mulkey was giving good advise.

If might have been difficult for Griner, at 20-21 years of age, to understand Mulkey's stance but as was stated in the article she never lost respect or love for her coach. Griner even stated that "we had created something magical for almost four years"
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According to Griner, she told Mulkey that she was gay multiple times during her recruitment and Mulkey said it was no problem when she had to have known about her employer's written policy. I find that very disingenuous.
 
tycat947 said:
According to Griner, she told Mulkey that she was gay multiple times during her recruitment and Mulkey said it was no problem when she had to have known about her employer's written policy. I find that very disingenuous.
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You may be correct and if so Mulkey was definitely being disingenuous. That is not good! However, this is the first time I have heard that statement from Griner. Can you document?
 
Is Nikosi the same as Niemann?

Why would Sherri have a comment on someone's sexuality?
 
SoonerSpock said:
You may be correct and if so Mulkey was definitely being disingenuous. That is not good! However, this is the first time I have heard that statement from Griner. Can you document?
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This is from her ESPN interview last year where Griner clearly tells that she had informed Mulkey during her recruitment.

http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/...-kim-mulkey-told-players-keep-quiet-sexuality

Griner: No talking sexuality at Baylor
Updated: May 27, 2013, 1:06 PM ET

Former Baylor women's basketball star Brittney Griner says that Kim Mulkey, her college head coach, told players not to be open publicly about their sexuality because it would hurt recruiting and look bad for the program.

"It was a recruiting thing," Griner said during an interview with ESPN The Magazine and espnW. "The coaches thought that if it seemed like they condoned it, people wouldn't let their kids come play for Baylor."

Griner It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it. They kind of tried to make it, like, 'Why put your business out on the street like that?

Griner, now preparing for her first WNBA season with the Phoenix Mercury, casually acknowledged she was gay during interviews with USA Today and with SI.com last month, when she referred to herself as "someone who has always been open." Griner said she had been open about her sexuality with family and friends since she was a freshman at Nimitz High School, in Houston.

In a series of interviews -- including one on camera Friday -- for an ESPN The Magazine and espnW.com story set to hit newsstands later this month, Griner said her silence during college was because Mulkey and her staff were concerned about the program's image.

"It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it," Griner said Friday. "They kind of tried to make it, like, 'Why put your business out on the street like that?'"

But Griner reiterated on Friday that her sexuality was an open secret at Baylor.

"I told Coach [Mulkey] when she was recruiting me. I was like, 'I'm gay. I hope that's not a problem,' and she told me that it wasn't," Griner said. "I mean, my teammates knew, obviously they all knew. Everybody knew about it."

Brittney Griner said in an interview with ESPN The Magazine and espnW that Baylor coach Kim Mulkey (left) told players not to be open publicly about their sexuality because it would look bad for the program.
Baylor University, a private Baptist school located in Waco, Texas, has a "Statement on Human Sexuality" in its student handbook. Located under the label "Sexual Misconduct," it says that "Christian churches across the ages and around the world have affirmed purity in singleness and fidelity in marriage between a man and a woman as the biblical norm. Temptations to deviate from this norm include both heterosexual sex outside of marriage and homosexual behavior. It is thus expected that Baylor students will not participate in advocacy groups which promote understandings of sexuality that are contrary to biblical teaching."

The University also encourages students "struggling with these issues" to consult either the Spiritual Life Office or the Baylor University Counseling.

When asked Saturday to comment on Griner's recruiting remarks, Baylor referred to a statement it issued to ESPN The Magazine and espnW on behalf of Mulkey earlier this month. The coach declined to comment specifically, but said in the statement: "Brittney Griner represented Baylor University proudly on and off the basketball court, and she leaves behind an incredible legacy. I cannot comment on personal matters surrounding any of our student-athletes, but I can tell you Brittney will always be a celebrated member of the Baylor family."

Griner was the three-time Big 12 Player of the Year and led the Lady Bears to a 40-0 season and the 2012 NCAA title. She was drafted No. 1 overall by the Mercury in the 2013 WNBA Draft.

espnW.com's Kate Fagan contributed to this report.
 
I have heard that statement, but I can't find any reference to it. I don't think I'll buy the book.

But, isn't the statement that she should keep her sexuality under wraps for recruiting purposes disingenuous?
 
tycat947 said:
This is from her ESPN interview last year where Griner clearly tells that she had informed Mulkey during her recruitment.

http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/...-kim-mulkey-told-players-keep-quiet-sexuality

Griner: No talking sexuality at Baylor
Updated: May 27, 2013, 1:06 PM ET

Former Baylor women's basketball star Brittney Griner says that Kim Mulkey, her college head coach, told players not to be open publicly about their sexuality because it would hurt recruiting and look bad for the program.

"It was a recruiting thing," Griner said during an interview with ESPN The Magazine and espnW. "The coaches thought that if it seemed like they condoned it, people wouldn't let their kids come play for Baylor."

Griner It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it. They kind of tried to make it, like, 'Why put your business out on the street like that?

Griner, now preparing for her first WNBA season with the Phoenix Mercury, casually acknowledged she was gay during interviews with USA Today and with SI.com last month, when she referred to herself as "someone who has always been open." Griner said she had been open about her sexuality with family and friends since she was a freshman at Nimitz High School, in Houston.

In a series of interviews -- including one on camera Friday -- for an ESPN The Magazine and espnW.com story set to hit newsstands later this month, Griner said her silence during college was because Mulkey and her staff were concerned about the program's image.

"It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it," Griner said Friday. "They kind of tried to make it, like, 'Why put your business out on the street like that?'"

But Griner reiterated on Friday that her sexuality was an open secret at Baylor.

"I told Coach [Mulkey] when she was recruiting me. I was like, 'I'm gay. I hope that's not a problem,' and she told me that it wasn't," Griner said. "I mean, my teammates knew, obviously they all knew. Everybody knew about it."

Brittney Griner said in an interview with ESPN The Magazine and espnW that Baylor coach Kim Mulkey (left) told players not to be open publicly about their sexuality because it would look bad for the program.
Baylor University, a private Baptist school located in Waco, Texas, has a "Statement on Human Sexuality" in its student handbook. Located under the label "Sexual Misconduct," it says that "Christian churches across the ages and around the world have affirmed purity in singleness and fidelity in marriage between a man and a woman as the biblical norm. Temptations to deviate from this norm include both heterosexual sex outside of marriage and homosexual behavior. It is thus expected that Baylor students will not participate in advocacy groups which promote understandings of sexuality that are contrary to biblical teaching."

The University also encourages students "struggling with these issues" to consult either the Spiritual Life Office or the Baylor University Counseling.

When asked Saturday to comment on Griner's recruiting remarks, Baylor referred to a statement it issued to ESPN The Magazine and espnW on behalf of Mulkey earlier this month. The coach declined to comment specifically, but said in the statement: "Brittney Griner represented Baylor University proudly on and off the basketball court, and she leaves behind an incredible legacy. I cannot comment on personal matters surrounding any of our student-athletes, but I can tell you Brittney will always be a celebrated member of the Baylor family."

Griner was the three-time Big 12 Player of the Year and led the Lady Bears to a 40-0 season and the 2012 NCAA title. She was drafted No. 1 overall by the Mercury in the 2013 WNBA Draft.

espnW.com's Kate Fagan contributed to this report.
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That pretty much nails that. Wow!
 
SoonerSpock said:
The one that appears to be corroborated multiple times. At least multiple eye witnesses normally successfully refute a defendant in a court of law.
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Were the witnesses a party to what went on between Kim and Griner or Kim and Niemann? If not, they have nothing to add.
 
SoonerNorm said:
I didn't state whom I believed. Did you believe Griner?
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You said:

I'm sure that Sherri and OU would want her players to keep quiet about their sexuality just as Kim and Baylor did.
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That seems to indicate you believe what Griner said.

I find what Griner says to be plausible, especially since Baylor is a Baptist school. But not knowing either person personally, its difficult to know.

I hope that Sherry's attitude would be that her players sexuality is none of her business.
 
MsProudSooner said:
You said:



That seems to indicate you believe what Griner said.

I find what Griner says to be plausible, especially since Baylor is a Baptist school. But not knowing either person personally, its difficult to know.

I hope that Sherry's attitude would be that her players sexuality is none of her business.
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I think it is likely Kim knew Griner was gay. If Kim told her that was not a problem (we don't know what was said), I'm pretty sure Kim meant that is not anyone's business. Griner is the one who made her homosexuality a national issue, not Baylor. From that standpoint, Kim was right in that it wasn't a problem.

Sherri has had gay players. I'm fairly sure her opinion would have been the same as Kim's. Just keep your personal life to yourself and neither me or the university care what you do in your private life.
 
1st I would like to say I like Kim... You just never know what she's going to do and who can't enjoy a good laugh?

tycat947 you can't read to deep into the top players leaving texas, according to ESPN hoopgurlz in 2013 Mulkey was able to sign Imani Wright the top player in the state for the 2013 class. Now McKenzie Calvert de-committing when she did could raise a red flag, but other then Calvert, Brianna Turner was the only other top player in Texas and she had the chance to pick any school she wanted so she's heading to Noter Dame can you blame her? Recee' Caldwell is now living in So Cal. You can't say Kim isn't getting it done with Texas talent, with out bring up how different a OU team would look with a Senior Richa Jackson(Duke) and a young back court of Courtney Walker(A&M) and Jessica Washington(UNC) Sherri has been letting the top kids get away for far to long.

Also I agree with Norm that if a player was Same Gender loving here at OU Sherri wouldn't want that to get out, it could be distracting to the team or a number of other things. Griner knew what Baylor was about before picking the school, if Kim is acting like she wants nothing to do with Brit now that her 4years are up that's not right, but Griner did seem to come out firing shots at Kim and Baylor not even a month after she graduated.

I can remmber plenty of the poster "fighting for Griner now calling her a thug when she punched Jordan Barncastle in the face... funny how people can become hypocritical when they are out to prove a point.
 
Mac said:
1st I would like to say I like Kim... You just never know what she's going to do and who can't enjoy a good laugh?

tycat947 you can't read to deep into the top players leaving texas, according to ESPN hoopgurlz in 2013 Mulkey was able to sign Imani Wright the top player in the state for the 2013 class. Now McKenzie Calvert de-committing when she did could raise a red flag, but other then Calvert, Brianna Turner was the only other top player in Texas and she had the chance to pick any school she wanted so she's heading to Noter Dame can you blame her? Recee' Caldwell is now living in So Cal. You can't say Kim isn't getting it done with Texas talent, with out bring up how different a OU team would look with a Senior Richa Jackson(Duke) and a young back court of Courtney Walker(A&M) and Jessica Washington(UNC) Sherri has been letting the top kids get away for far to long.

Also I agree with Norm that if a player was Same Gender loving here at OU Sherri wouldn't want that to get out, it could be distracting to the team or a number of other things. Griner knew what Baylor was about before picking the school, if Kim is acting like she wants nothing to do with Brit now that her 4years are up that's not right, but Griner did seem to come out firing shots at Kim and Baylor not even a month after she graduated.

I can remmber plenty of the poster "fighting for Griner now calling her a thug when she punched Jordan Barncastle in the face... funny how people can become hypocritical when they are out to prove a point.
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Slam dunk!!! :woot:woot:woot:woot:woot
 
Spot on soonernorm. There are LOTs of gay players in women's basketball. Personally I am against that, but that's just me.
 
tycat947 said:
This is from her ESPN interview last year where Griner clearly tells that she had informed Mulkey during her recruitment.

http://espn.go.com/wnba/story/_/id/...-kim-mulkey-told-players-keep-quiet-sexuality

Griner: No talking sexuality at Baylor
Updated: May 27, 2013, 1:06 PM ET

Former Baylor women's basketball star Brittney Griner says that Kim Mulkey, her college head coach, told players not to be open publicly about their sexuality because it would hurt recruiting and look bad for the program.

"It was a recruiting thing," Griner said during an interview with ESPN The Magazine and espnW. "The coaches thought that if it seemed like they condoned it, people wouldn't let their kids come play for Baylor."

Griner It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it. They kind of tried to make it, like, 'Why put your business out on the street like that?

Griner, now preparing for her first WNBA season with the Phoenix Mercury, casually acknowledged she was gay during interviews with USA Today and with SI.com last month, when she referred to herself as "someone who has always been open." Griner said she had been open about her sexuality with family and friends since she was a freshman at Nimitz High School, in Houston.

In a series of interviews -- including one on camera Friday -- for an ESPN The Magazine and espnW.com story set to hit newsstands later this month, Griner said her silence during college was because Mulkey and her staff were concerned about the program's image.

"It was more of a unwritten law [to not discuss your sexuality] ... it was just kind of, like, one of those things, you know, just don't do it," Griner said Friday. "They kind of tried to make it, like, 'Why put your business out on the street like that?'"

But Griner reiterated on Friday that her sexuality was an open secret at Baylor.

"I told Coach [Mulkey] when she was recruiting me. I was like, 'I'm gay. I hope that's not a problem,' and she told me that it wasn't," Griner said. "I mean, my teammates knew, obviously they all knew. Everybody knew about it."

Brittney Griner said in an interview with ESPN The Magazine and espnW that Baylor coach Kim Mulkey (left) told players not to be open publicly about their sexuality because it would look bad for the program.
Baylor University, a private Baptist school located in Waco, Texas, has a "Statement on Human Sexuality" in its student handbook. Located under the label "Sexual Misconduct," it says that "Christian churches across the ages and around the world have affirmed purity in singleness and fidelity in marriage between a man and a woman as the biblical norm. Temptations to deviate from this norm include both heterosexual sex outside of marriage and homosexual behavior. It is thus expected that Baylor students will not participate in advocacy groups which promote understandings of sexuality that are contrary to biblical teaching."

The University also encourages students "struggling with these issues" to consult either the Spiritual Life Office or the Baylor University Counseling.

When asked Saturday to comment on Griner's recruiting remarks, Baylor referred to a statement it issued to ESPN The Magazine and espnW on behalf of Mulkey earlier this month. The coach declined to comment specifically, but said in the statement: "Brittney Griner represented Baylor University proudly on and off the basketball court, and she leaves behind an incredible legacy. I cannot comment on personal matters surrounding any of our student-athletes, but I can tell you Brittney will always be a celebrated member of the Baylor family."

Griner was the three-time Big 12 Player of the Year and led the Lady Bears to a 40-0 season and the 2012 NCAA title. She was drafted No. 1 overall by the Mercury in the 2013 WNBA Draft.

espnW.com's Kate Fagan contributed to this report.
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Thank you. Given those statement it would have been wrong for me to recruit Brittany to Baylor. I would not expose a youth to those circumstances. Obviously Kim did not think so and told Brittany and her parents to not openly discuss her sexuality and it would be no problem. Griner chose to go to Baylor knowing the circumstances.

After the fact Brittany felt her relationship with Kim started to unravel because she would not support Griner's coming out. Makes me think that Brittany changed her mine and wanted Kim to support her in defiance of university policy and at the risk of losing her job. And now Griner want to point a finger at Kim. I am inclined to think Brittany is the deceitful one looking to make money selling a book at both Kim and Baylor's expense.
 
sybarite said:
Were the witnesses a party to what went on between Kim and Griner or Kim and Niemann? If not, they have nothing to add.[/QUOTE ]

No but Griner's statement confirms the other players are telling the truth. All knew the school policy, all knew that Kim did not want sexuality openly discussed. The only difference is Griner wanted Kim to support her coming out after the fact when she knew both Baylor and Kim's position on gays prior to signing her LOI.

Now she wants to throw Baylor and Kim to make a few bucks from a book. Sound like someone I would not want a relationship with. Easy to see the deceit belongs to Brittany.
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