National Prep Showcase (Jarion Henry)

[WTSooner]

A typical 5 on 5 when coach is putting in offensive are defensive sets would be Grooms,Pledger, Cam, Osby, and Fitz, vs Blair, Calvin, Amath, CJ, and Arent. That is all I know.

I have opinions on everything else you said, but wouldn't Amath playing the 3 in that group simply be b/c CJ and Arent absolutely CANNOT? If you have to play those 5, then Amath just about has to play the 3. I certainly wouldn't expect that to happen in a game though.

 

[garyeb2]

I have opinions on everything else you said, but wouldn't Amath playing the 3 in that group simply be b/c CJ and Arent absolutely CANNOT? If you have to play those 5, then Amath just about has to play the 3. I certainly wouldn't expect that to happen in a game though.

WT, considering your tendencies to completely ignore evidence, I hope you never draw jury duty.

I'll try to explain this in more detail. They have reversable practice jerseys. Red and and white. The starters are in red. The others white. Kruger always coaches the reds. The other assistants rotate day to day coaching the whites.

After several reps and the starters have grasp whatever they need, Kruger will start having players one by one reverse their jerseys and switch teams. For instance Calvin will switch to red and Pledger to white and they switch teams. They will run a few reps and then Fitz and Arent and so on until he gets the players likely to be in the game rotation reps with the 1's.

All except for Amath. He is always a white jersey. All the players will rotate in with the 2nd team whites including the original starters and the 5 that are not on the court at all to start.

No matter who is on the floor with the whites, Amath is always in the lineup and he is always the #3. With the 10 rotating players that are always available to the white team, there is no personel reason to prevent kruger from working Amath in the post.

I can not read Kruger's mind. I do not know what he is going to do next year or the next. But, this year he is working Amath on the peremeter.

In the field of problem solveing, there is a theory know as Occam's Razor. Generaly and briefly it states that when seeking a solution, the most obvious answer is usually the correct one.

 

[WTSooner]

WT, considering your tendencies to completely ignore evidence, I hope you never draw jury duty.

I'll try to explain this in more detail. They have reversable practice jerseys. Red and and white. The starters are in red. The others white. Kruger always coaches the reds. The other assistants rotate day to day coaching the whites.

After several reps and the starters have grasp whatever they need, Kruger will start having players one by one reverse their jerseys and switch teams. For instance Calvin will switch to red and Pledger to white and they switch teams. They will run a few reps and then Fitz and Arent and so on until he gets the players likely to be in the game rotation reps with the 1's.

All except for Amath. He is always a white jersey. All the players will rotate in with the 2nd team whites including the original starters and the 5 that are not on the court at all to start.

No matter who is on the floor with the whites, Amath is always in the lineup and he always the #3. With the 10 rotating players that are always available to the white team, there is no personel reason to prevent kruger from working Amath in the post.

I can not read Kruger's mind. I do not know what he is going to do next year or the next. But, this year he is working Amath on the peremeter.

In the field of problem solveing, there is a theory know as Occam's Razor. Generaly and briefly it states that when seeking a solution, the most obvious answer is usually the correct one.

That doesn't change anything. So Fitz goes White, and Arent goes red. Fitz can't play the 3 any more than Arent could, so yes, M'Baye is still the 3.

I agree that out of Arent, CJ, Fitz, Honore, and M'Baye, M'Baye is the most athletic, and the most likely to the play the 3. That is obvious. And if Osby goes to the white, there is no reason to play him out of position. He is a 4 in real games, so he needs to play the 4/5 in practice. M'Baye, it doesn't really matter, b/c he won't see game time. You are making WAY too much out this. Just like when LK had some weird lineups just before the 1st exhibition game. Remember? You thought it meant something. Well, it didn't. Same thing here. Don't make too much out of nothing. I promise you, M'Baye isn't going to start at the 3 in his time at OU. And I doubt he logs more than a few meaningless minutes there. LK wants guys like him at the 4 spot. Not the 3.

 

[DenverSooner]

In the field of problem solveing, there is a theory know as Occam's Razor. Generaly and briefly it states that when seeking a solution, the most obvious answer is usually the correct one.

Of course you have to be answering the correct question as you gravitate to your most obvious answer. Perhaps your question is wrong. Perhaps, M'Baye cannot play this season. It is a season to learn OU's system and work on his weaknesses. Perhaps his weakness is his ball handling and outside shot.

Additionally, perhaps OU's most glaring team weakness is inside rebounding. Therefore, it is imperative that the guys that can play are getting 100% of the practice repetitions on the inside. Therefore, Fitzgerald, Osby, CJ, Arent, and Neal get 100% of the practice time playing the two forward spots.

 

[garyeb2]

That doesn't change anything. So Fitz goes White, and Arent goes red. Fitz can't play the 3 any more than Arent could, so yes, M'Baye is still the 3.

I agree that out of Arent, CJ, Fitz, Honore, and M'Baye, M'Baye is the most athletic, and the most likely to the play the 3. That is obvious. And if Osby goes to the white, there is no reason to play him out of position. He is a 4 in real games, so he needs to play the 4/5 in practice. M'Baye, it doesn't really matter, b/c he won't see game time. You are making WAY too much out this. Just like when LK had some weird lineups just before the 1st exhibition game. Remember? You thought it meant something. Well, it didn't. Same thing here. Don't make too much out of nothing. I promise you, M'Baye isn't going to start at the 3 in his time at OU. And I doubt he logs more than a few meaningless minutes there. LK wants guys like him at the 4 spot. Not the 3.

NOOOO. You have another swing and a miss at the point. Sure, everyone would like to have a guy like Amath at the 4. But, we already have a guy at the 4. And I think Osby will probably work out just fine. They will both play and start.

It seems that you are making the assumption that Kruger would actually take a quality transfer like Amath and literaly waste their sit-out year by having them just playing streetball for a few months.

There is nothing Cam can do that Amath can not do. And some things much better. If there is a current starter that will find their job in jepordy because of Amath, that would a good place to look.

And as far as me being wrong about some lineup, if this team starts getting boxed around on the boards or the scoreboard (which is certainly a possibility), you will see alot of different looks. This is no Capel deal. It is much too early for you to decide that you are right about annything.

 

[garyeb2]

Of course you have to be answering the correct question as you gravitate to your most obvious answer. Perhaps your question is wrong. Perhaps, M'Baye cannot play this season. It is a season to learn OU's system and work on his weaknesses. Perhaps his weakness is his ball handling and outside shot.

Additionally, perhaps OU's most glaring team weakness is inside rebounding. Therefore, it is imperative that the guys that can play are getting 100% of the practice repetitions on the inside. Therefore, Fitzgerald, Osby, CJ, Arent, and Neal get 100% of the practice time playing the two forward spots.

Yea perhaps. But, you are making alot of assumptions. And my point is that no one on the current team can guard the guy on the peremeter. He gets his shot off anytime he wants to. Isn't that a good thing?

 

[CMSOONER]

I havent read all the previous posts so if i repeat something please forgive me. From what I've seen and heard, M'Baye is not a back to the basket player. His offensive strengths are his ability to score of the dribble and his jump shot. Maybe he will spend more time at the 4, but I just can't see him playing the 5 on offense. Defensively he is really quick and appears to be able to keep up with smaller quick guards but I could also see him guarding a soft 5. A big physical 5 might overpower him though. I think LK is going to run a bigger starting lineup with Fitz, Osby, M'baye, Bird and Grooms and bring the Freshman off the bench. If Hornbeak and Hield are good enough to start as freshman than we are going to be REALLY good next year. As far as M'Baye's 3pt %, maybe he's not a great shooter come game time, but his Stoke sure does look smooth and he looks like he's shooting really well in practice.

 

[DenverSooner]

I havent read all the previous posts so if i repeat something please forgive me. From what I've seen and heard, M'Baye is not a back to the basket player. His offensive strengths are his ability to score of the dribble and his jump shot. Maybe he will spend more time at the 4, but I just can't see him playing the 5 on offense. Defensively he is really quick and appears to be able to keep up with smaller quick guards but I could also see him guarding a soft 5. A big physical 5 might overpower him though. I think LK is going to run a bigger starting lineup with Fitz, Osby, M'baye, Bird and Grooms and bring the Freshman off the bench. If Hornbeak and Hield are good enough to start as freshman than we are going to be REALLY good next year. As far as M'Baye's 3pt %, maybe he's not a great shooter come game time, but his Stoke sure does look smooth and he looks like he's shooting really well in practice.

Longar was a center and he did not score much with his back to the basket. He made jumpers. Aaron McGhee also did not score much with his back to the basket. I don't expect M'Baye at 6'9" and 214lbs to back people down with his big booty and out muscle them in the paint.

I have not seen this guy play. I just don't by this he is a 2 or 3. I also would define a player based on his position on defense more than offense. What was Damion James at Texas? What was Kevin Durant at Texas? If you don't know, Texas played both of them as Forwards the majority of time and both guys managed to hit perimeter shots on the offensive end.

 

[BoulderSooner]

M'Baye will also be our best wing defender ..

 

[WTSooner]

Yea perhaps. But, you are making alot of assumptions. And my point is that no one on the current team can guard the guy on the peremeter. He gets his shot off anytime he wants to. Isn't that a good thing?

Manute Bol could get his shot off anytime he wanted to. Doesn't mean I want to make him my shooting guard. :facepalm

 

[WTSooner]

M'Baye will also be our best wing defender ..

IF that ends up being true, all that means is that we are short on good wing defenders. KD is as athletic as they come, and even he wasn't good at defending the wing. Why? Because the bigger you are, the ore difficult it is to get down into guarding position, and to follow smaller guards through multiple screens.

M'Baye will also likely be our best post defender, and rebounder. I'd say that is more important then sticking a 6'8 guy out on the perimeter, thus neutralizing his rebounding.

 

[JBaker]

I saw Blake shooting some 3's at the Huff once.
It was obvious to me that Capel was going to start him at the 2. No SG in the league could guard him.

 

[garyeb2]

IF that ends up being true, all that means is that we are short on good wing defenders. KD is as athletic as they come, and even he wasn't good at defending the wing. Why? Because the bigger you are, the ore difficult it is to get down into guarding position, and to follow smaller guards through multiple screens.

M'Baye will also likely be our best post defender, and rebounder. I'd say that is more important then sticking a 6'8 guy out on the perimeter, thus neutralizing his rebounding.

NOOO. Osby is the best post defender. How you can seem to know everything about a kid you have never seen play on one hand. and nothing about the ones you have been watching for two years is a mystery to me. Of course that is just my opinion.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that M'Baye will probably be a forward of some type and will likely log major minutes doing something on the court. Just a hunch though, so I hope nobody holds me to it.

 

[bocabull]

Who cares who plays what position? We are going to be loaded next year. It's a good problem to have. One that we have not truly had since the Price/McGhee final 4 team when we had to find a place for Selvy.

 

[garyeb2]

Who cares who plays what position? We are going to be loaded next year. It's a good problem to have. One that we have not truly had since the Price/McGhee final 4 team when we had to find a place for Selvy.

That is how I feel too. The rest of it is just fun to argue.

 

[DenverSooner]

Who cares who plays what position? We are going to be loaded next year. It's a good problem to have. One that we have not truly had since the Price/McGhee final 4 team when we had to find a place for Selvy.

I think many of you are getting way ahead of yourselves. I truly hope you are right but I have seen absolutely nothing to validate a comparison of this team to the last final four team. I realize you are not saying they are final four team (or atleast I think you are not saying that) but I fear some will read your comments to suggest that and then spew a bunch of negative energy if OU is a sweet 16 type team next season.

 

[bocabull]

I think many of you are getting way ahead of yourselves. I truly hope you are right but I have seen absolutely nothing to validate a comparison of this team to the last final four team. I realize you are not saying they are final four team (or atleast I think you are not saying that) but I fear some will read your comments to suggest that and then spew a bunch of negative energy if OU is a sweet 16 type team next season.

What's the difference between a sweet 16 type team and a final 4 team?

The right bracket and 2 more wins. That's all it takes. Compare the roster next year with the 2002 roster. Not much difference. We are going to be loaded. Embrace it.

And Kruger is every bit as good as Sampson. I would argue better.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

And Kruger is every bit as good as Sampson. I would argue better.

[S-Word] just got real up in here.

I'm with you though, that team next year is going to have some players and, based upon what I've seen, should be well coached.

 

[campbest]

What's the difference between a sweet 16 type team and a final 4 team?

Usually really good guard play.