New NCAA Transfer Policy Proposal

[vbdad]

i don't think this will pass .. .

it would make about 250 basketball programs feeder teams to the top 60

lower ranked player goes to say liberty has a great season so he transfers to duke

(fyi this actually happen with seth curry but he had to sit out a year )

this type of thing will happen all of the time

in football it will be even worse ... great freshman or soph year at KU or isu or osu

OU or texas needs a qb migh as well transfer and get more exposure and win big .

I agree! It will just help the rich get richer. I don't know what the answer is as I feel for the players. The problem is kids will go to a school and when a Kentucky, Duke, KU or someone similar has a 1 and done and doesn't sign the next superstar they will get a starter from another school. This will just snowball to a lower school providing a replacement to school who lost a player to Duke.

As far as the coaches being able to move it is wrong. The NCAA needs to enforce contracts on these guys. They shouldn't be able to switch schools until their contract has expired. I know that I'm dreaming that this will ever change.

So yes there is a huge double standard so the players probably should be allowed to transfer but it will hurt basketball even more.

 

[BoulderSooner]

I agree! It will just help the rich get richer. I don't know what the answer is as I feel for the players. The problem is kids will go to a school and when a Kentucky, Duke, KU or someone similar has a 1 and done and doesn't sign the next superstar they will get a starter from another school. This will just snowball to a lower school providing a replacement to school who lost a player to Duke.

As far as the coaches being able to move it is wrong. The NCAA needs to enforce contracts on these guys. They shouldn't be able to switch schools until their contract has expired. I know that I'm dreaming that this will ever change.

So yes there is a huge double standard so the players probably should be allowed to transfer but it will hurt basketball even more.

just to add and point out that the schools voting on this is all of D1 so 350+ schools ..

i don't think 300 schools are going to vote for something not in their interest ..




if you want to take it a step further this Plus NIL money possibly becoming legal ( and i think congress will step in before that happens)

and you have true free agency in college football and basketball star at osu come to ou and make an extra 100k ect ..

 

[WTSooner]

Is Lincoln Riley not allowed to be the head coach at Baylor? Can Pooh Williamson leave OU and go work for Kansas State? What about Athletic Directors? Could UT hire Joe C? Of course they can.

I think this is a bad example.

Lincoln Riley and other coaches are employed. It's a job. A profession. Yes they are COACHING amateur athletes, but them themselves are not amateur athletes. It's a lot like how different levels of "employees" have different rules in business. What the CEO can do is different than what the entry level employee can do.

And most coaches can't leave for another job without repercussions. Most have buy outs. That is either money out of the coach's pocket, or money out of his new school's pocket. Either way, there is a price for them leaving. There should be a price for most athletes transferring too. Let's not forget.....even though college football/basketball is a big business, it's still a college. It's still SUPPOSED to be about education, and higher learning. We keep getting further and further away from that.

 

[SoonerinNC]

I don't think you can really compare coaches and athletes with a scholarship

I believe that the change will benefit the elites at the expense of at least the mid-majors. Would take away some of the advantage that some programs gain by silently recruiting players to transfer. It would certainly open up opportunity for the elite and major programs to cheat and solicit transfers. I doubt that Kruger would do that so probably disadvantage OU.

I also agree that the NCAA is flagrantly inconsistent with granting waivers to some and not to others. Ditto the Medical redshirt.

They need to be consistent whatever rule. Allowing immediate eligibility will continue to move the college sport scene toward professionalism. Making everyone sit no matter the reason for the transfer keeps at least some degree of the student athlete.

 

[vbdad]

The people backing this are thinking it gives a kid who isn't playing the opportunity to find a place to play. This is true and I think beneficial to the kid. The problem is it also lets all schools be a farm system to the schools players feel are more elite. This way the best player on a team leaves and goes to a better school.

I personally believe it is even worse for football. I guarantee Lincoln Riley had no problem with the 7-8 guys who left OU this year. None of them were going to play. He has already brought in 2 receivers who should be in the rotation plus it freed up more room on the 85 total for recruits who potentially will be starters. OSU is likely to have 2 defensive starters that transferred to them. They lost a bunch of guys also none of which were in the rotation.

 

[WTSooner]

The people backing this are thinking it gives a kid who isn't playing the opportunity to find a place to play. This is true and I think beneficial to the kid. The problem is it also lets all schools be a farm system to the schools players feel are more elite. This way the best player on a team leaves and goes to a better school.

I personally believe it is even worse for football. I guarantee Lincoln Riley had no problem with the 7-8 guys who left OU this year. None of them were going to play. He has already brought in 2 receivers who should be in the rotation plus it freed up more room on the 85 total for recruits who potentially will be starters. OSU is likely to have 2 defensive starters that transferred to them. They lost a bunch of guys also none of which were in the rotation.

In football, a lot of those guys transferring either aren't getting picked up, are finding it hard to get picked up, or are going down a level in football.

I wouldn't be opposed to maybe, MAYBE, letting somebody transfer out without penalty if they are going down a level in competition. Maybe P5 to G5, or G5 to Div II (or whatever it's called now). Because that is an example of a kid that is probably truly trying to get on the field at the level he should be at. But when you start making rules like that, things just get murky.

 

[thebigabd]

In football, a lot of those guys transferring either aren't getting picked up, are finding it hard to get picked up, or are going down a level in football.

I wouldn't be opposed to maybe, MAYBE, letting somebody transfer out without penalty if they are going down a level in competition. Maybe P5 to G5, or G5 to Div II (or whatever it's called now). Because that is an example of a kid that is probably truly trying to get on the field at the level he should be at. But when you start making rules like that, things just get murky.

It seems to me a logical compromise to the issue is, if you aren't going to allow me the freedom to go where I want without penalty, you at least have to commit to me. Make my scholarship a 4 year commitment instead of a 1 year commitment, allow me to choose a red-shirt year if I need to develop more, or allow me to move down into junior college or D2 if I need to play in order to develop while still honoring the original commitment... something like that.

You want to take away my freedom to exclusively benefit you... then you have to do something to make it worth my while.

 

[BoulderSooner]

In football, a lot of those guys transferring either aren't getting picked up, are finding it hard to get picked up, or are going down a level in football.

I wouldn't be opposed to maybe, MAYBE, letting somebody transfer out without penalty if they are going down a level in competition. Maybe P5 to G5, or G5 to Div II (or whatever it's called now). Because that is an example of a kid that is probably truly trying to get on the field at the level he should be at. But when you start making rules like that, things just get murky.

players have never had to sit if they are going down a level from FBS(D1A) to FCS (D1AA) or D2 or juco

 

[mict085]

When did they stop the scholarship penalties for grad rates? Am I going crazy or did they institute a rule that penalized teams for falling below a certain percentage of players graduating in a 5 year window? I’m assuming they’ve removed that or would remove it with new transfer rules.

 

[BoulderSooner]

When did they stop the scholarship penalties for grad rates? Am I going crazy or did they institute a rule that penalized teams for falling below a certain percentage of players graduating in a 5 year window? I’m assuming they’ve removed that or would remove it with new transfer rules.

they didn't stop it but transfers out don't count against you as long as they are in good standing when they leave

 

[vbdad]

In football, a lot of those guys transferring either aren't getting picked up, are finding it hard to get picked up, or are going down a level in football.

I wouldn't be opposed to maybe, MAYBE, letting somebody transfer out without penalty if they are going down a level in competition. Maybe P5 to G5, or G5 to Div II (or whatever it's called now). Because that is an example of a kid that is probably truly trying to get on the field at the level he should be at. But when you start making rules like that, things just get murky.

Yes they are and being replaced by guys who are going up in status for the school. OU got kids from Marshall and UCLA. We are clearly better than they are. Of course last year we got a guy going down from Alabama but he wasn't going to start there which is a big difference than the teams best players going up. Jalen was also a grad transfer which I believe is a good rule as you let the kids earn it.