New Rules - Who Will Get in Foul Trouble?

[MsProudSooner]

Assuming the new rules are applied in the women's game, what Sooner do you think will get in foul trouble the most?

 

[SoonerNorm]

Assuming the new rules are applied in the women's game, what Sooner do you think will get in foul trouble the most?

I would say Griffin.

 

[O-State2009]

You will have a much better idea after you guys get to watch an exhibition. But I think if you have any strong bodies inside will be the biggest issue. Kaylon, Portia, Gibbs, Kellogg will all have to be careful in guarding in the post.

In OSU's exhibition last night, 2 ECU girls fouled out and 2 more had 4 fouls. They were all (undersized) forwards/centers. For OSU, Lashawn Jones led the team with 3 fouls. And they were all called from pushing in the back while ECU was trying to post up. I think this will give an advantage to girls like N. Griffin. She won't have to fight quite so hard to hold her position this year.
The exhibition only lasted 2 hours. The new rules didn't cause it to run much longer than normal, but there was quite a few stoppages in play.

The guards were still able to "body up" on drives to the basket as long as they were moving their feet and stayed in guarding position, but if any arm was used a foul was called it seemed. There were a few VERY light touch fouls called both ways out front but not as many as I was expecting.

There is going to be a learning curve for most teams. OSU obviously was nervous about the fouls, so they were not nearly as aggressive as they have been in years past. But I think next exhibition they will be more risky and see just what will and won't be called.

Sorry for the lengthy post.

 

[O-State2009]

I would say Griffin.

I don't know. I think these will probably help her out. As long as she doesn't try to push people and just stays behind them and uses her size, I think she should be ok. Help defense, mainly drawing a charge, is going to be difficult in the post also.

 

[MsProudSooner]

My vote would be for Kay-Kay simply because she tended to get in foul trouble as a freshman and she had to sit out last year.

 

[sybarite]

In one interview that Sherri gave, she was rather specific in stating that the difference would be noticed most at guard play. I think that what the rule change is really aimed at overcoming is the constant slapping of the wrists and elbows demonstrated by some out front. Some teams have made a living out of slapping at the wrists until the offensive player makes a mistake attempting to avoid being slapped or pushed. Many "steals" are accomplished when someone is knocked slightly off balance and unable to recover from any change in direction.

From what she said, I don't know that we will see that much change inside. I am not sure what the effect will be on someone who is a driver, like Sharane.

I would suggest that what they are trying to prevent is the slapping, push and shove, and knock off balance defense exhibited by teams like Georgetown, West Virginia, A&M, and, to some extent, Baylor. The SEC has become a bit more like this, but the Big East was heavy on it.

Let's be clear. The committee thought that the slapping type of defense kept scoring down and reduced the artistry of basketball. They mentioned, specifically, that Wooden liked women's basketball because it still exhibited the artistry of the game, and their intent was to get back to it.

 

[O-State2009]

In one interview that Sherri gave, she was rather specific in stating that the difference would be noticed most at guard play.
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From what she said, I don't know that we will see that much change inside. I am not sure what the effect will be on someone who is a driver, like Sharane.

I agree. Everything I had heard was all guard/perimeter oriented. But that is not really what I witnessed in an exhibition game. Like I said, OSU guards were not being as aggressive as years past but they were not whistled for many fouls, and neither were ECU's.
Most of the fouls came away from the ball and on the inside.
I am not sure these rules favor the perimeter oriented teams such as KSU and ISU so much. Slashers/Drivers are going to make a living at the FT line I think.

I will say this: With the new rules, Chelsea Poppens would have been in foul trouble from all of the charges she was able 'draw' from sliding under people at the last second.

ETA: I could be completely wrong, and the next exhibition could be fouls heavily called against the guards and little to nothing inside.

 

[sybarite]

Have all of the officials got the right message yet?

 

[rocjunkie]

I would say Kaylon and Portia on the inside, and Sharane from the guard position, only because she liked to draw charges, and it will more difficult to set up this year according to the rules.

 

[sybarite]

I would say Kaylon and Portia on the inside, and Sharane from the guard position, only because she liked to draw charges, and it will more difficult to set up this year according to the rules.

Why would Sherri say that it affected mostly the play out front and yet have it be Kaylon and Portia? I'm expecting that this would have killed Franklin and A&M's guards. It may severely restrict Odyssey. It's that shoving of the arms and hands out front that the rules seem to be designed to stop.

 

[O-State2009]

Why would Sherri say that it affected mostly the play out front and yet have it be Kaylon and Portia? I'm expecting that this would have killed Franklin and A&M's guards. It may severely restrict Odyssey. It's that shoving of the arms and hands out front that the rules seem to be designed to stop.

Also, I think this will probably have some affect on hedging high ball screens by the post players. I know a lot of post players like to hedge out with their feet, then reach out when to cause just a bit more of a delay from the ballhandler. Under the new rules, this would be considered a foul if they reach at all.

 

[sybarite]

Sherri actually seemed to be concerned that we didn't have enough guards to keep from fouling everyone out.

I don't know that they will call it like she said, at least not at first. She indicated that the committee would be insistent. She didn't say much about what would happen under the basket. She seemed to be saying that the committee didn't want rough play outside. They also wanted to clear more lanes with the inability to hand check everyone away from driving. When I saw the practice that they televised, she seemed to be emphasizing cutting to the basket. That's where she has expressed so much interest in Kornet.

We won't know how long it takes to sort this out. But, I doubt that teams that depend on pushing and shoving out front are going to fare well.