OK..I'll admit I'm too lazy to read all the threads..what's up with Honore?

[SoonerDude]

Considering that the guy guarding him was 3 inches shorter and gave up 20 pounds yet outplayed him, its hard to say hes too good. Sorry.

 

[Seymore Cox]

Barry Honore
Orlando Allen
Kyle Hardrick



Honore sees the floor before the other two. Honore is better.

 

[McG78]

I realize that these players don't play as hard in pick up games as they would for the actual team, which is a shame in and of itself because they should try and win at everything. But I think a lot of people overestimate what it takes to be a D-1 basketball player.

A good example is Bobby Maze. His freshman year he would come to the Huff all the time and get used. Guys would just out work him.

 

[SoonerNorm]

If a D-1 player gets in a pickup game and dominates, he is a bully and a show-off. If he lets up, he is labeled as being no good. Not much way to win in a situation like that.

 

[SoonerfanTU]

If a D-1 player gets in a pickup game and dominates, he is a bully and a show-off. If he lets up, he is labeled as being no good. Not much way to win in a situation like that.

I'm sorry, but I've played enough pickup ball to know that there are TONS of kids around the country that are as good at basketball as a walk on, or small college player.

I used to play pickup ball in Dallas all the time. A LOT of quality players passed through there, most never played beyond HS. Yet, when someone that played in college, or the occassional overseas pro came in, the talent difference wasn't always distinguishable.

To play in college, you have to have graudated from HS. Too many good hoopers didn't.

I don't know what to make of Honore, I've never seen him play. I'm just saying, there are probably quite a few guys around the globe that never made it to college, but would slaughter him in a game of one-on-one.

 

[luckyc1423]

Can we not hi jack the thread and get back on topic..

Does anyone know for sure if honore is on the team or not? Will he be on scholorship?

My fear is that we give him a scholly and someone else like jersey gates...then that is two more schollies that were contribute small amounts...we need impact guys to be on scholly...juco types or whatever

 

[SoonerfanTU]

Can we not hi jack the thread and get back on topic..

Does anyone know for sure if honore is on the team or not? Will he be on scholorship?

Dude, what is known, has been said. It looks like he'll have a chance to be back on the team next year. With his troubles, I doubt he'll be on scholarship, but nobody outside of Capel and the staff probably knows the answer to that right now.

 

[campbest]

If a D-1 player gets in a pickup game and dominates, he is a bully and a show-off. If he lets up, he is labeled as being no good. Not much way to win in a situation like that.

True....and what's the definition of getting "worked"? Someone scoring a few buckets on you? Does that mean I "worked" Greg Buckner last week at Lifetime Fitness when I hit two 3's over him? Doubt Barry was taking his pick-up game on Court 1 very seriously, forgive him.

Played against Maze on his recruitng visit to OU and as a high school senior was more talented than 99% of the guys at the Huff. If someone was beating him at the Huff it was because some frat star saw it as a chance to prove himself and went full throttle for 20 minutes while he ran up and down.

 

[luckyc1423]

Dude, what is known, has been said. It looks like he'll have a chance to be back on the team next year. With his troubles, I doubt he'll be on scholarship, but nobody outside of Capel and the staff probably knows the answer to that right now.

If he is on the team and is "still" considered a walk on then I think he can really help us. I think he has a chance to have a very small role in our team..but having him as a walk on and having that role will be nice.

I feel bad for the kid, because if it wasnt for allen and hardick I would be all for giving this kid a scholly, but we cant afford to have 3 schollies sitting on the bunch 99% of the time their whole career

 

[campbest]

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I used to play pickup ball in Dallas all the time. A LOT of quality players passed through there,

 

[SoonerfanTU]

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I probably scored on you. Or shut you down.

Where did you play? There was a gym around the Tollway and Beltline. Best collection of non-college talent I've ever seen.

 

[campbest]

I probably scored on you. Or shut you down.

Where did you play? There was a gym around the Tollway and Beltline. Best collection of non-college talent I've ever seen.

That gym is a 24 Hour Fitness, where I currently go, live near there. Been going for about 8 months off and on (grad school has cut into the hoops time) but the run is pretty serious. Always a good work-out because there are some good basketball players, but everyone else is still real athletic.

 

[SoonerfanTU]

That gym is a 24 Hour Fitness, where I currently go, live near there. Been going for about 8 months off and on (grad school has cut into the hoops time) but the run is pretty serious. Always a good work-out because there are some good basketball players, but everyone else is still real athletic.

That's the place. Seen a few pros, a few overseas pros, and several college guys pass through there. I spent a few nights up there playing for 3-4 straight hours, b/c we wouldn't lose, and it sure wouldn't seen like that long.

Small world.

 

[campbest]

That's the place. Seen a few pros, a few overseas pros, and several college guys pass through there. I spent a few nights up there playing for 3-4 straight hours, b/c we wouldn't lose, and it sure wouldn't seen like that long.

Small world.

Indeed. From what I have seen (or experienced) best run has been at that 24 Hour Fitness and Lifetime Fitness at Preston and Legacy (north Plano). Buckner, Deion, Irvin, Dampier's posse all run up there from time to time.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

A little off topic, but a LOOOONG time ago, I played with Anthony Mason at the Bally's in Tulsa, I was probably 17 and he was playing for the CBA team in Tulsa. The guy barely even tried and was awesome....I was taking what were intended to be three point shots, and on at least three occassions he grabbed them out of the air and dunked them and said "nice pass", coolest thing ever.

Conversley, at the same place I played a game where I had to cover some former TU Center [big, big white guy], I was 16 years old, 6'0" and maybe 175...he was a professional and close to 7 feet. I was playing "hard" but was no threat to him physically or ANY threat to stop him. Of course [unlike the other pro's who pretty much had fun with things with the big men camping around the three point line or pretending they were point guards], this guy camped out around the basket, got all upset and called a "foul" everytime he missed. Lame. Even started being kind of a dick about it.

Final story, I was up at the huff and my friend was dating a girl that was a hoopster. Stacy Dales came out to play and she was raining threes and NEVER missed. I felt bad for the poor fool guarding her [ME!] becuase it was a no-win. She was better than I was at every basketball skill, and I was more athletic. Bt you know what, it was pretty cool and more importantly, FUN. Nothing I hate more than "pick-up" that gets all serious.

I guess the point of the story's are that when you are that much better than everyone else on the floor, you can take it all serious and come off like a dick; or, you can have fun with things for the benefit of everybody. It's like wrestling with my three year old...should I just kick the crap out of him and pin him in under a few seconds or humor him and even let him pin me.

Bottom Line: If BH were out at Huffman playing pick up and decided to give 100%, he could school 99.9% of the guys out there any time he felt like it. That is just a reality.

 

[McG78]

A little off topic

I will continue to hijack this thread.

Getting worked means at the end of the game people stand around and say he got a scholarship, really? I don't buy this he can't play hard bs. You can try. That is a problem with our team. No competitiveness.

Two of my favorite stories about Michael Jordan show his competitiveness. When he was in college, he got caught cheating at cards against . . . (wait for it) . . . a teamates mom. They were playing gin and MJ couldn't stand to lose so much so he cheated.

The other story involves the first shoot around the Bulls would have once the rookies would show up. It would be an unofficial thing. Players would call each other and say let's go shoot around. It was mostly what you would expect, games of horse and a lot of laughing. Then they would decide to play pick-up games. MJ would literally beat the rookies up. He didn't believe that there ever was a fun game of basketball. If you played, you went all out. He instilled this mentality in everyone on the team. There are no easy days.

 

[campbest]

Two of my favorite stories about Michael Jordan show his competitiveness. When he was in college, he got caught cheating at cards against . . . (wait for it) . . . a teamates mom. They were playing gin and MJ couldn't stand to lose so much so he cheated.

Sounds in line with his morals.

The other story involves the first shoot around the Bulls would have once the rookies would show up. It would be an unofficial thing. Players would call each other and say let's go shoot around. It was mostly what you would expect, games of horse and a lot of laughing. Then they would decide to play pick-up games. MJ would literally beat the rookies up. He didn't believe that there ever was a fun game of basketball. If you played, you went all out. He instilled this mentality in everyone on the team. There are no easy days.

Very different scenario between a bunch of NBA rookies (high level athletes getting paid to play) and a casual game at the Huff with some out-of-shape, play 2-3 times a week college students.

But I do agree on the competitiveness notion.

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I just go back to the fact that BH could probably dunk on 99% of the people at the Huff anytime he wanted. Clearly he gets to play all the "competitive" basketball that he wants, maybe he just wants to goof around at the Huff.

To keep the MJ theme going, it would be like Tiger Woods getting all amped up over playing putt-putt or something. More I hear about MJ,l truthfully the less respect I have for him, both on and off the court (funny, TW was "real competitive" as well, look where he is at now).

 

[NickZepp]

Jordan was a jerk. But I don't think there was a better competitor on the court.

 

[topdaug]

Players don't ever take pick-up games seriously...there's no need to...who do they have to prove anything to? I played pick-up against Bookout and a few other former players while at OU (one of which was Daryan Selvy, who would go out to the courts just to put on a show)...Book did nothing defensively (hell, he didn't even cross half court)...the only thing he would do was post me up and work on his hook shots and mid-range game...he wasn't out there to be competitive...there was no need for that...the players have practices to be competitive...

Pick-up games to the players were meaningless....that said, Daryan Selvy had one of the best dunks I've ever witnessed personally in a pick-up game, and I witnessed it from the him dunking right on me on a breakaway...