OU vs Marist on Dish?

[SoonerNorm]

This is not softball. It doesn't take much to notice a difference.

Geography is one aspect. Academic standing is another. Neither is the key.

And, no, Bay, nor Norm, has a clue about recruiting.

If you think Sherri's recruiting has been what you have expected, then your expectations are much lower than mine. You continue to make weak excuses and attack others when you realize your silly argument makes no sense.

 

[sybarite]

I am stating, quite clearly, that the nonsense that you, Bay, and others spout about recruiting is without any perspective of what the problems are or what has been accomplished. I think you, to use your term, are being so obviously silly in your approach to OU women's basketball and its recruiting---so obviously uninformed---that your concerns aren't even worth noting.

If you want to improve recruiting, look at the reality of the situation and determine if there is anything that you can do to improve it. Why doesn't the #1 recruit in the nation this year consider OU one of the top five or six schools to consider? Figure it out rather than blame it on Sherri.

When you are agreeing with Bay on Sherri, you need to reexamine your position.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I am stating, quite clearly, that the nonsense that you, Bay, and others spout about recruiting is without any perspective of what the problems are or what has been accomplished. I think you, to use your term, are being so obviously silly in your approach to OU women's basketball and its recruiting---so obviously uninformed---that your concerns aren't even worth noting.

If you want to improve recruiting, look at the reality of the situation and determine if there is anything that you can do to improve it.

Let me explain something...fans cannot do anything with regard to recruiting per the NCAA.

Why doesn't the #1 recruit in the nation this year consider OU one of the top five or six schools to consider? Figure it out rather than blame it on Sherri.

If North Carolina or UCLA can have the #1 recruiting classes, why shouldn't OU expect to sign a few top 10 players as well???

When you are agreeing with Bay on Sherri, you need to reexamine your position.

Several agree with me about recruiting. If you look around, hardly anyone is agreeing with you.

You still have not offered a legitimate explanation as to why Gasso has out-recruited Sherri. Is it because basketball players are so much more sophisticated when it comes to selecting a school than softball players?

 

[sybarite]

Forget softball. It is a vastly different set of recruits from vastly different places.

I don't think it's all that difficult to get a perspective on this. Try it. Why isn't it that the #1 recruit in the nation seldom lists OU among their top five?

Don't give me the nonsense that others are agreeing with you. Those who always diss Sherri are the ones who are doing all the talking right now. I'm not listening to any of you.

If you can't put things into perspective, why bother having a board? Think. Look at OU. Look at Norman. Look at Oklahoma. Look at the history, the demographics, the culture, the academic standing, and see if you can begin to figure out why we aren't the favorite target of the #1.

Don't argue with me. It won't solve anything because it won't change anything. Neither of us has ever listened to the other, and I don't listen to most of the whining on the board. Think about why the number one recruit would prefer NC or Stanford, or UConn, or Duke.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Forget softball. It is a vastly different set of recruits from vastly different places.

That is a very weak answer that explains nothing. Both sports recruit players from various parts of the country. One sport is bringing in some of the top players at their positions and the other is not. Period.

I don't think it's all that difficult to get a perspective on this. Try it. Why isn't it that the #1 recruit in the nation seldom lists OU among their top five?

We don't have to have the #1 player. I would be happy with a few top 10 players on the roster.

Don't give me the nonsense that others are agreeing with you. Those who always diss Sherri are the ones who are doing all the talking right now. I'm not listening to any of you.

You are wrong, again. Many of us praise Sherri when we think she has done a good job. But, I don't feel obligated to do so when I think she needs to improve. Nothing that much different than when you say so and so should be playing. That is clear you disagree with who Sherri is playing. You also criticize Carter, Kaylon, and others but you quickly complain to the moon if the rest of us say something like that. I think there's a word for that.

If you can't put things into perspective, why bother having a board? Think. Look at OU. Look at Norman. Look at Oklahoma. Look at the history, the demographics, the culture, the academic standing, and see if you can begin to figure out why we aren't the favorite target of the #1.

Again, Sherri has brought in good players and will in the future. Are they just a bunch of rednecks? That also doesn't explain why Gasso is able to bring in elite players to such a terrible part of the country.

Don't argue with me. It won't solve anything because it won't change anything. Neither of us has ever listened to the other, and I don't listen to most of the whining on the board. Think about why the number one recruit would prefer NC or Stanford, or UConn, or Duke.

I guess you can stop the discussion at any time. Just don't respond.

 

[soonerstar]

The softball facilities at OU are inferior to the ones at many SEC and west coast schools. I have wondered how Gasso is getting these top recruits from all over the country. Maybe there needs to be some discussions between the softball and womens basketball coaches about recruiting strategies.

 

[sybarite]

Norm, I didn't say I was going to explain anything. I told you to think. You just want to complain. Think.

Star, you need to look at the softball and basketball recruits. Who are they? Where are they from? What is their motivation? Are they the same set of people?

Incidentally, we don't get the top male recruits in men's basketball either, unless they are from Oklahoma. How many top three recruits from elsewhere do you remember? Why is that?

 

[SoonerNorm]

You aren't going to explain because you can't. Got it.

 

[SoonerSpock]

The softball facilities at OU are inferior to the ones at many SEC and west coast schools. I have wondered how Gasso is getting these top recruits from all over the country. Maybe there needs to be some discussions between the softball and womens basketball coaches about recruiting strategies.

Having several family members that have played coached and recruited on the college level I, from discussions with them, feel I have a reasonable amount of knowledge when saying that recruiting varies only slightly from sport to sport. Football, baseball and men's basketball are somewhat different because of professional sports rules and future professional opportunities alter things. The other sports not so much regardless of gender.

It still amounts to identifying talent, developing student/family relationships, selling your program and its opportunities, getting campus visits and closing the deal. Unfortunately recruiting has been Sherri's Achilles heel. To quote Syb. "Coale is doing more with less...". If recruiting isn't a problem why does Coale consistently have less?

As a fan it is reasonable to expect that your college team when it is a top ten program nationally to frequently have top ten talent recruited to their school not virtually never.

At Oklahoma Patty Gasso, Mark Williams and K.J. Kinder have proven you can consistently get top talent to Norman, OK. They have won seven national championships between them and all three made the NCAA WCWS/Super Six in each of the last three years.

These three coaches have been able to consistently get top talent to Norman, OK from out of state (40 of 53 on their rosters from 11 states and 3 countries) without any apparent difficulty. I wonder why? I wonder how? Must be as Switzer said "you don't win with Xs and Os, you win with Jimmies and Joes".

 

[SoonerNorm]

Excellent post, SoonerSpock!

 

[sybarite]

You aren't going to explain because you can't. Got it.

I can't explain it all. But, I, at least, have a clue. Some of you don't.

Spock, you aren't getting it either. There is a vast difference in recruiting gymnastics and basketball. Who, exactly, are the recruits? Why is basketball, men's and women's different? Other than Courtney Paris, name one top basketball prospect, #1, that came to OU, male or female.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I can't explain it all.

:clap I knew we could agree on something!

 

[SoonerinNC]

I don't think anyone is in a position to defend Sherri's recruiting. Particularly if you are expecting an elite program. Fact is we rarely get one of the elite recruits that we are pursuing. typically our recruits are interesting under the radar talents who are usually better than their ranking. While I am not a strong believer that we should have a recruiting bonanza after reaching a final four we did get four all-americans in the twins, Thompson and Olijawan but we didn't benefit that much on the court. Good seasons but not vary many great seasons. Since all four were basically inside players maybe that should not be a great surprise. We are probably a B in recruiting. More because we appear to do a good job of recognizing talent than in landing the big ones. We get a lot of good sleepers.

Watching this team is like being on a roller coaster. It ranges from disappointing losses to inspiring wins. From 15-0 runs to 0-15 runs often in the same half.

From brilliant passes on backdoor plays to passes that sail to no one or hit Griffin from the knees down.

We can close up on the Dukes and Louisvilles but then there is the dry spell where we either get too far behind to do more than get close or lose a big lead like against Louisville that should have set us up for a win.

It is a wild ride. But we usually end up better at the end of the season than we look in late December.

 

[sybarite]

:clap I knew we could agree on something!

The difference is that I don't criticize Sherri over stuff that I know nothing about.

I told you to think about it. Thus far, all I've seen are smart(not so) remarks that don't even address the issue. Several times, I have posed a question.

Why isn't OU among the top five on basketball's #1s, male or female? The answer has absolutely nothing to do with softball or gymnastics. If we got recruits from the same places, we would have a problem in those sports as well.

Either think about the problem or quit discussing it.

 

[sybarite]

I don't think anyone is in a position to defend Sherri's recruiting. Particularly if you are expecting an elite program. Fact is we rarely get one of the elite recruits that we are pursuing.

OK. You are typically a good thinker. Why do you think this is?

 

[SoonerNorm]

The difference is that I don't criticize Sherri over stuff that I know nothing about.

I told you to think about it. Thus far, all I've seen are smart(not so) remarks that don't even address the issue. Several times, I have posed a question.

Why isn't OU among the top five on basketball's #1s, male or female? The answer has absolutely nothing to do with softball or gymnastics. If we got recruits from the same places, we would have a problem in those sports as well.

Either think about the problem or quit discussing it.

I've thought plenty about it and I've already explained it to you as have others. Hopefully one day you will understand.

 

[sybarite]

I've thought plenty about it and I've already explained it to you as have others. Hopefully one day you will understand.

Someday, you will learn the difference between sarcasm and moderation, but probably not as long as you are a moderator.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Someday, you will learn the difference between sarcasm and moderation, but probably not as long as you are a moderator.

You're behind, I haven't been a moderator for several weeks.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I don't think anyone is in a position to defend Sherri's recruiting. Particularly if you are expecting an elite program. Fact is we rarely get one of the elite recruits that we are pursuing. typically our recruits are interesting under the radar talents who are usually better than their ranking. While I am not a strong believer that we should have a recruiting bonanza after reaching a final four we did get four all-americans in the twins, Thompson and Olijawan but we didn't benefit that much on the court. Good seasons but not vary many great seasons. Since all four were basically inside players maybe that should not be a great surprise. We are probably a B in recruiting. More because we appear to do a good job of recognizing talent than in landing the big ones. We get a lot of good sleepers.

Watching this team is like being on a roller coaster. It ranges from disappointing losses to inspiring wins. From 15-0 runs to 0-15 runs often in the same half.

From brilliant passes on backdoor plays to passes that sail to no one or hit Griffin from the knees down.

We can close up on the Dukes and Louisvilles but then there is the dry spell where we either get too far behind to do more than get close or lose a big lead like against Louisville that should have set us up for a win.

It is a wild ride. But we usually end up better at the end of the season than we look in late December.

Lots of good info!

 

[SoonerSpock]

I can't explain it all. But, I, at least, have a clue. Some of you don't.

Spock, you aren't getting it either. There is a vast difference in recruiting gymnastics and basketball. Who, exactly, are the recruits? Why is basketball, men's and women's different? Other than Courtney Paris, name one top basketball prospect, #1, that came to OU, male or female.

I have a question with all your knowledge explain to us less knowledgeable the specific differences in recruiting basketball and gymnastics. Remember to provide facts, examples and specifics not the mere statement that Syb said there was a difference because when you consider that source it becomes folly. Give us a clue not a declaration for Syb.

Otherwise acknowledge that you might be wrong. Oh and I am an acquaintance of two members of the football coaching staff, two members of the men's basketball staff and one member of the women's basketball staff and another head coach at OU that concur with my generality based on discussions we have had. So being as how you use Sherri as a source frequently I thought I would use a couple of mine now.