OU vs TCU

[euphguy]

This is seemingly the worst shooting OU team I can recall. They're fortunate to have as many wins as they do right now.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Does anyone know if we had any recruits at the game?

 

[Oliver Hardy]

Peyton played herself to the bench, then had a solid 4th defensively.

This is the worst shooting team I can remember.

Maddie's best game as a Sooner, IMO. Edwards should be starting.

Vivi is really becoming a force. Proof today that if Sherri had left her in we would have beaten OSU. She is calmer under the basket in crunch time than Kay-Kay is and she's a better shooter the last few games.




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[SoonerNorm]

ViVi now leads the conference in FG shooting at 62%.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

You kinda feel bad for Gabbi because she's a good player, and isn't playing terribly lately. But TT is that player that we just need if we want to go far. Every top team has a pg that can dominate the game, usually with her speed. First of all, TT is one of the toughest point guards I have even seen, she will scrap with anybody. And she can flat out fly. Then the move on the fast break where she changed speeds on the guy, was that put in over night!? I have never seen anything like that from her, nothing even close. She gets better everyday, if that shot can just become something you can't just give her, she will be one of the best pg's in the conference. She can just do so much that Gabbi just can't... But Gabbi can also play 2, she'll get a lot of minutes-- But I think its only a matter of time before TT supplants her in the starting lineup. She's just starting to get too good- TT's Ceiling is just astronomically higher, and thats no knock because it might be as high as anyones in college basketball right now- and she continues to close the gap on that ceiling. Gabbi was unfortunately close to that ceiling when she first came in, and Its not because Gabbi is a bad player, its because TT is becoming a very, very good one.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

ALSO. Gioya Carter is a very improved basketball player from a year ago as well. She isn't a one trick pony anymore, she has a wide range of moves- that center around her crossover, which is what needed to happen and she can get a shot whenever she wants. With that being said, I know we have the shoot in 6 seconds rule- but I don't like when she dribbles up the court and shoots a quick jump shot, she's good enough that she can throw it around once and catch in good position, then can attack out of a triple threat. Every now and then, she might need to hit take those shots to keep herself going but I'd like to see her move the ball a little bit. You don't see Kobe dribble up the court into a 18 footer too often, enless he's really feeling it..... But this is a vastly improved basketball player, has really cut down on mental lapses and she is fun to watch. I hope her aggressive nature rubs off on Maddie some cause if those two can just take over the game from a scoring a standpoint, ---AND Tt plays 30 a game, I think were a atleast a top 10 ball team. Shooting woes will cease, we have a lot of good shooters and its only a matter of time- hopefully its all at the right time.

 

[sybarite]

I don't know that Gioya is that improved as yet. I think there is a difference. Last year, she was our go-to player when she started scoring. This year, she "supposedly" had some help. What she really does is add a piece that the defense has been giving us---the short-range jumper. Occasionally, Maddie hits it. Gioya thrives on it. Since they do have to watch Vivi and Kay Kay, having someone who can hit the short-range jumper is a valuable option. I don't think she is anywhere near what she was at her peak last year. But, she is getting closer.

We had a series of short bursts yesterday. It's interesting to look at what started and stopped them. We jumped out to a 10-2 lead at the outset. During that time, Maddie did not score a point. She blocked two shots and got two rebounds. At 4:25, we subbed out Maddie with zero points, two blocks, and four rebounds, and a 10-5 lead. When she was subbed back in at 0:32, our lead had shrunk to 14-13. Maddie played the entire second quarter, and we tied it up at 29-29 with no spectacular thing from Maddie other than another block and a three, her only points of the first half.

The third quarter, we did it again. We jumped out to a 37-29 in the first 100 seconds. At 7:01, we subbed Maddie out with a 37-29 lead. We subbed her back in at 5:41 with a 37-34 lead. In both halves, we jumped out to an eight-point lead and subbed Maddie out, proceeding to lose the lead.

Maddie was kind of a stabilizer that made something happen to help us establish or maintain a flow. The nine points she scored doesn't measure what she contributed. Her blocks and steals were directly responsible for about eight points. Her non-assists in which she fed Vivi or Kay Kay with them getting free throws resulted in six free throws made. It takes a lot of different things to win a game.

Peyton was the only thing that was totally absent yesterday. If she just had had one half, it would have helped. She is in a rather severe funk, and her shot tends to hit the side or bottom of the backboard. She'll get it back. Gabbi and Peyton made some injurious turnovers yesterday.

Yet, there is some promise emerging. If Gioya can continue to recover, it will really help to have someone other than the post.

 

[threepointshooter]

I'm enjoying watching Vionise put points up.

 

[Sooners4Life0101]

I don't know that Gioya is that improved as yet. I think there is a difference. Last year, she was our go-to player when she started scoring. This year, she "supposedly" had some help. What she really does is add a piece that the defense has been giving us---the short-range jumper. Occasionally, Maddie hits it. Gioya thrives on it. Since they do have to watch Vivi and Kay Kay, having someone who can hit the short-range jumper is a valuable option. I don't think she is anywhere near what she was at her peak last year. But, she is getting closer.

We had a series of short bursts yesterday. It's interesting to look at what started and stopped them. We jumped out to a 10-2 lead at the outset. During that time, Maddie did not score a point. She blocked two shots and got two rebounds. At 4:25, we subbed out Maddie with zero points, two blocks, and four rebounds, and a 10-5 lead. When she was subbed back in at 0:32, our lead had shrunk to 14-13. Maddie played the entire second quarter, and we tied it up at 29-29 with no spectacular thing from Maddie other than another block and a three, her only points of the first half.

The third quarter, we did it again. We jumped out to a 37-29 in the first 100 seconds. At 7:01, we subbed Maddie out with a 37-29 lead. We subbed her back in at 5:41 with a 37-34 lead. In both halves, we jumped out to an eight-point lead and subbed Maddie out, proceeding to lose the lead.

Maddie was kind of a stabilizer that made something happen to help us establish or maintain a flow. The nine points she scored doesn't measure what she contributed. Her blocks and steals were directly responsible for about eight points. Her non-assists in which she fed Vivi or Kay Kay with them getting free throws resulted in six free throws made. It takes a lot of different things to win a game.

Peyton was the only thing that was totally absent yesterday. If she just had had one half, it would have helped. She is in a rather severe funk, and her shot tends to hit the side or bottom of the backboard. She'll get it back. Gabbi and Peyton made some injurious turnovers yesterday.

Yet, there is some promise emerging. If Gioya can continue to recover, it will really help to have someone other than the post.

O, Im fully aware of Maddies contribution- I don't find it necessary to keep beating that drum tho- some people get it, some don't- Im tired of repeating myself. She wins games without scoring, ether you get it or you don't. All Maddie has to do is just get her averages up to 40-45% and she will take the country by storm- and I think its inevitable that that will happen.

But Gioya has definitlely added a lot of variation to her game- she still works off her cross over but she varies in so many way. Last year it was literally a hard left to right and that was it. And her mid range game has really improved- but thats the obvious. With Gioya I sense confindence, combined with comfort right now- That all came with MINUTES. Maddie also helps Gioya out this season as anybody would probably love to play with Maddie. She draws a lot of attention, is our best passer, and is extremely smart and instinctual. Gioya also helps Maddie by taking some pressure off her, so she doesn't have to be the only that can get bucket when we need it. That's a really good thing for Maddie in this transitional period where she is still learning to be a scorer. Gioya and Maddie though, are the two players the whole thing will center around and This whole thing is gonna click soon- when it does were gonna be almost unbeatable.

Peyton also sat on the bench in the whole 3rd quarter... All we need her to do is hit open shots, tho she isn't limited to just that, that is what we really need- it'll free everybody up quick. I have a good feeling that'll eventually come as well.


Also would like to point out to anybody that thinks Maddie should be playing like Senior from sitting next to Sherri 2 years, look at how much better Gioya gets with MINUTES. You need in game MINUTES to improve. Maddie is in the middle of her sophomore season, I look for next year to be her true break out party where she becomes a household name. But she has the game now to do that, and it could literally happen next game... Its all about MINUTES.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

You kinda feel bad for Gabbi because she's a good player, and isn't playing terribly lately. But TT is that player that we just need if we want to go far. Every top team has a pg that can dominate the game, usually with her speed. First of all, TT is one of the toughest point guards I have even seen, she will scrap with anybody. And she can flat out fly. Then the move on the fast break where she changed speeds on the guy, was that put in over night!? I have never seen anything like that from her, nothing even close. She gets better everyday, if that shot can just become something you can't just give her, she will be one of the best pg's in the conference. She can just do so much that Gabbi just can't... But Gabbi can also play 2, she'll get a lot of minutes-- But I think its only a matter of time before TT supplants her in the starting lineup. She's just starting to get too good- TT's Ceiling is just astronomically higher, and thats no knock because it might be as high as anyones in college basketball right now- and she continues to close the gap on that ceiling. Gabbi was unfortunately close to that ceiling when she first came in, and Its not because Gabbi is a bad player, its because TT is becoming a very, very good one.

Go back and look at TT's skill at covering her assignment in half court. What opposing player is frequently getting a wide open shot?

I like her, but at the present she is not the key to a championship for this team.

 

[soonermike22]

Go back and look at TT's skill at covering her assignment in half court. What opposing player is frequently getting a wide open shot?

I like her, but at the present she is not the key to a championship for this team.

In the 1-3-1 trap, she is by far the best defender in the back. or baseline.
In man to man, she is the best at staying in front of her opposing player with her speed, quickness, and toughness.
When we switch in man to man, several players have problems, and we sometimes act like we don't know if it is a hard switch or a soft.
We are much better on defense with her on the court. If you are implying that she is one of the worst at losing her assignment, or not guarding her assigned player I most heartily disagree.
You also have to know what defense we are running, and what we are trying to do to know who is fulfilling their assignment, and who is late. I really thought you knew that, so maybe I misunderstood what you meant

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

In the 1-3-1 trap, she is by far the best defender in the back. or baseline.
In man to man, she is the best at staying in front of her opposing player with her speed, quickness, and toughness.
When we switch in man to man, several players have problems, and we sometimes act like we don't know if it is a hard switch or a soft.
We are much better on defense with her on the court. If you are implying that she is one of the worst at losing her assignment, or not guarding her assigned player I most heartily disagree.
You also have to know what defense we are running, and what we are trying to do to know who is fulfilling their assignment, and who is late. I really thought you knew that, so maybe I misunderstood what you meant

I do not much like singling out one player and criticizing. TT brings things to the table that no one else on the team can bring. I agree with you about that.

My only point is it is not as simple as "one player getting more time" will turn us around in some significant way.

I like TT. I bet she is a really fine young lady. She is the fastest player on the team - with Lanesia a close second.

I don't want to discuss an error that is happening in a few situations - since it is possible we have opponents who have not noticed it yet.

 

[soonermike22]

I do not much like singling out one player and criticizing. TT brings things to the table that no one else on the team can bring. I agree with you about that.

My only point is it is not as simple as "one player getting more time" will turn us around in some significant way. .

OK, I agree about one player getting more playing time(or less, or one thing improved) turning us around. It takes lots of little things from many players to make a significant improvement.
My point was that TT is a really good defender.
And you are also right about do not criticizing players out there busting their rears to do their best. All too often, including this board, players are criticized by fans who do not know what the defensive scheme was, the offensive play was, or what was emphasized in practice for players.
And I was surprised at your comment because I usually agree with everything you say.

 

[Larry72]

I went to my first game Sat and will provide the following comments:
Must be Peyton's worst game ever
KK should shoot more from the high post. She has a great stroke.
Excellent FT shooting
T Edwards is the only good defensive player we have.
We have limited quickness especially on D (Really need to recruit more quickness )
Sherri coached well in the 4th
Overall conditioning did not look good, we were very slow getting up and down the court
When they zoned us, it was a struggle to get a decent shot.
The halftime show was good