Our future "style" in question

[coolm]

Huggy and the rest of the league gave us the Kelvin treatment.

They uglied up our pretty, elegant offense that was built on years of experience together and excellent shooting. Bodied us up, knocked us around, threw us down, and took OU's team to the woodshed just like Kelvin useta do to them.

Don't get me wrong ... I really like the offensive capabilities. But this season must stand as a lesson. I seriously think we wasted this season.

Sure, we can (and certainly might) make it up in the ncaa's. But you know darn well that every team we play will be doing the same thing that WVU and other league teams did to us physically. After the first round we could easily be thrown down and not advance.

I dont think we can just ignore what happened and not adjust the future MO of OU's teams. Gonna hafta be more physical, more rugged. Gonna hafta ugly it up. Otherwise we will continue to play bridesmaid.

 

[oudna]

It's unfortunate that the refs of the NCAA can't stick to one set of rules. Gradually changes every year once conference starts.

If they called it to the letter, Huggins and Sampson's style would be obsolete.

 

[coolm]

It's unfortunate that the refs of the NCAA can't stick to one set of rules. Gradually changes every year once conference starts.

If they called it to the letter, Huggins and Sampson's style would be obsolete.

I agree 100%.

 

[opsooner]

I thought we were pretty physical yesterday and have no issue with that. However, there is a difference between being physical and being tough to me. We were not tough enough on offense. We were tentative with the ball and you cannot be tentative against WV. You have to be ready to pass the ball before you get trapped, guys need to want to receive the passes, and guys need to take it to the basket and be tough on the finish.

For most the second half our D was great. Except for a few cases where we fell asleep and gave layups it was not bad throughout the game.

We just have to be tougher and that is all in the players' heads and also coaching people where they need to be.

 

[coolm]

I dont disagree with you overall OP ... but these KU players are beating WVU because WVU isn't knocking them off their feet like they do OU. Maybe it is just toughness. But it needs to be on both sides of the court and WE dont knock them off their feet enough to get their fg% to lower.

maybe the numbers bear a different mark but it sure FEELS like guards and 3's have career days against OU because we get knocked around and they shoot unmolested shots.

 

[oudna]

I dont disagree with you overall OP ... but these KU players are beating WVU because WVU isn't knocking them off their feet like they do OU. Maybe it is just toughness. But it needs to be on both sides of the court and WE dont knock them off their feet enough to get their fg% to lower.

maybe the numbers bear a different mark but it sure FEELS like guards and 3's have career days against OU because we get knocked around and they shoot unmolested shots.

They're also shooting 15% from 3. Instead of whatever they shot yesterday.

 

[coolm]

They're also shooting 15% from 3. Instead of whatever they shot yesterday.

you're right ... but WHY do guys always seem to have these stellar 3-pt nights against OU's perimeter D?

 

[skyvue]

Also? We won two of three from WVU this season and came within a tenth of a second of taking all three. Your initial post would suggest to someone who didn't know better that we got swept three games by them.

KU will, at best, match OU's season results against WVU.

 

[coolm]

you're right there sky. but WVU wasn't the only one doing that to us. WVU didnt have the offensive firepower to get over the OU hump ... but the ones who DID used the WVU example to take OU to task.

 

[opsooner]

I dont disagree with you overall OP ... but these KU players are beating WVU because WVU isn't knocking them off their feet like they do OU. Maybe it is just toughness. But it needs to be on both sides of the court and WE dont knock them off their feet enough to get their fg% to lower.

maybe the numbers bear a different mark but it sure FEELS like guards and 3's have career days against OU because we get knocked around and they shoot unmolested shots.

I think we agree. KU also moved the ball much better and did not give WV the opportunities to mug them as much. I am sure the crowd also plays an impact.

We can play good D when we want to do it. There was a stretch in the second half when it was really flawless on about 8 straight possessions.

 

[coolm]

yep. I just watched KU's offense run through their bigs quite often for 2 hours ... often on the wing or the elbow ... and the poor ballhandling from the bigs that we suffered didnt phase the gawks at all. I dont know if it was so much better hands or how solid and thick their bigs are. I suspect both. Lattin and Spangler did some excellent things and we used Spangler as relief in bringing the ball up the court ... but in the offense it was ugly.

 

[OUReality]

One bright spot from last night was the play of James. He was not intimated by the WV pressure and was aggressive with the ball. If James' attitude is contagious next year, I would say OU's future is just fine.

 

[campbest]

Difference is pretty simple...personnel and depth.

 

[jaymOU]

I agree 100%.

My frustration is movement was THE point of emphasis this year and as conference play has wound down, the rules have changed. OU does not need to "change" styles, they need to continue to do what they are doing, it's the future of basketball. The Warriors are setting the bar. OU is recruiting to continue playing this style.

What the Sooners did not do against WVU - mind you a top 10 team OU beat twice and was a milli-second from 3-0 was make WVU pay for pressing with lay ups. What they did to Hield was foul him - early and often. If the NCAA's own point of emphasis is called, OU style will be the future

 

[KBaden145]

Huggy and the rest of the league gave us the Kelvin treatment.



They uglied up our pretty, elegant offense that was built on years of experience together and excellent shooting. Bodied us up, knocked us around, threw us down, and took OU's team to the woodshed just like Kelvin useta do to them.



Don't get me wrong ... I really like the offensive capabilities. But this season must stand as a lesson. I seriously think we wasted this season.



Sure, we can (and certainly might) make it up in the ncaa's. But you know darn well that every team we play will be doing the same thing that WVU and other league teams did to us physically. After the first round we could easily be thrown down and not advance.



I dont think we can just ignore what happened and not adjust the future MO of OU's teams. Gonna hafta be more physical, more rugged. Gonna hafta ugly it up. Otherwise we will continue to play bridesmaid.

Nothing wrong with our 'style'. We need better balance offensively inside and out and better bench production. These things will come. This program is still building. You're projecting a style based on the construction of this year's team.


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[Darwin]

Difference is pretty simple...personnel and depth.

I agree and it comes back to being able to attract enough athletic players which is now the case but a struggle 3 or 4 years ago. The future is bright including the rest of this great season.

 

[TINY]

The main difference between the ku-wvu game and ou-wvu game was the fact that the refs let wvu foul Ou multiple times every possession and rarely called a foul. Wvu went 12 minutes before their first foul against Ou. Conversely, Ku was in the bonus with 12 minutes to go in the half. It really has more to do with the refs than anything else. The refs hosed us so badly that it isn't even worth dissecting anything else IMO.

 

[coolm]

The main difference between the ku-wvu game and ou-wvu game was the fact that the refs let wvu foul Ou multiple times every possession and rarely called a foul. Wvu went 12 minutes before their first foul against Ou. Conversely, Ku was in the bonus with 12 minutes to go in the half. It really has more to do with the refs than anything else. The refs hosed us so badly that it isn't even worth dissecting anything else IMO.

Sorry Tiny ... but I am not interested in another single word of discussion about how once again "the refs" screwed OU out of winning. When you have a group that has been starting together for 100 games they shouldnt be surprised about how any game is called. OUr problrms extend beyond that excuse.

IF it's "Once again" as you say then we already know about it and we havent adjusted. that makes it OUR fault. not the refs. and the other teams playing us seem to accommodate it just fine.

 

[TINY]

Sorry Tiny ... but I am not interested in another single word of discussion about how once again "the refs" screwed OU out of winning. When you have a group that has been starting together for 100 games they shouldnt be surprised about how any game is called. OUr problrms extend beyond that excuse.

IF it's "Once again" as you say then we already know about it and we havent adjusted. that makes it OUR fault. not the refs. and the other teams playing us seem to accommodate it just fine.

How do you adjust to the refs letting the other team play tackle football, missing possession arrows and other very basic rules that a middle school official can make without breaking a sweat?

Their ability to tackle us up and down the court led to about half of our turnovers, which led to the discrepancy of shots taken. The refs didn't let wvu touch ku without a whistle. Ku was in the bonus with over 10 minutes on the clock in both halfs. That's the difference. The refs allowed wvu to mug us and the same crew called it a completely different game the next day...hmm...I wonder why?

 

[coolm]

and NBA players are expected to adjust to different refs every night.

Sorry but I am tired of it all being the refs fault at OU. Other programs seem to adjust.