People keep saying "Villanova is a 3 point shooting team"

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like... I understand they are ok...but when we shoot 43% it's hard for me to shake in my boots about a team that shoots 35%.

I know they've lit it up a couple of games in the tourney but almost every team can have a night where they hit 10/18. Doesn't mean they are gonna do that every night.

When you have a team that AVERAGES 43% that's what would make me think "geezus those guys can fill it up from deep!!" Also saying their defense is like a different level(.404 FG% defense) gets on my nerves as well when our defense (406 FG% defense) has been just as good in a WAAAAAY better conference...

I dunno I know I'm being nitpicky but I just think a team with four 42% and above 3 point shooters is a lot more insane then a team with two 38% 3 point shooters...maybe it's just me. But Saturday our boys will show em what shooting perfection looks like!

BOOOOMER!!
 
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like... I understand they are ok...but when we shoot 43% it's hard for me to shake in my boots about a team that shoots 35%.

I know they've lit it up a couple of games in the tourney but almost every team can have a night where they hit 10/18. Doesn't mean they are gonna do that every night.

When you have a team that AVERAGES 43% that's what would make me think "geezus those guys can fill it up from deep!!" Also saying their defense is like a different level(.404 FG% defense) gets on my nerves as well when our defense (406 FG% defense) has been just as good in a WAAAAAY better conference...

I dunno I know I'm being nitpicky but I just think a team with four 42% and above 3 point shooters is a lot more insane then a team with two 38% 3 point shooters...maybe it's just me. But Saturday our boys will show em what shooting perfection looks like!

BOOOOMER!!

First, comparing any team's 3 point shooting to OU this season is a little unfair. Second, I think the "Nova is a 3 point shooting team" narrative is a little bit of a carryover from last season where they averaged a solid 39% from 3 as a team.

In reality, Nova's a defensive team. They're 7th in KenPom AdjD, 15th in scoring defense, and they've only allowed more than 80 points in regulation twice all season. They haven't allowed anyone to score more than 71 points in the month of March, and held everyone in the NCAA tournament under 70. This will be a tough test for OU's offense.
 
Lon's gameplan against them in December was risky, but it paid off quite nicely. He knew they shot lots of threes but were not necessarily great at it. We conceded the three point line and, as luck would have it, they went something like 4/30 from three in that game.
 
They shoot a lot of 3s - hence a 3-point shooting team. But don't have a great percentage.

What they are great at is 2-point FG%. One of the best in the country.
 
I think the reference to Villanova being a 3-point shooting team is more because they take so many of them. They've attempted 50 more 3s than us on the season, and we attempt a lot of them.
 
All those 3 they take are opening up easy looks. Credit them for finding those.
 
Lon's gameplan against them in December was risky, but it paid off quite nicely. He knew they shot lots of threes but were not necessarily great at it. We conceded the three point line and, as luck would have it, they went something like 4/30 from three in that game.

I agree, Lon probably did concede the three-point line in that first meeting – and with great results. But I doubt he will emphasize that strategy this time. OU's defense is much better now than it was early in the season and the Sooners, defensively, should not have to concede anything to Nova now.

Of course, if Nova can't hit its threes early, maybe Lon will adjust his strategy as the game progresses.
 
Nova has more 3 pt attempts than the Sooners. Is anyone saying Nova is a 3 pt shot MAKING team? The point is they rely on making 3s, just like we do. But we make ours at a much higher %.
 
They shoot a lot of 3s - hence a 3-point shooting team. But don't have a great percentage.
Whether it's assessing teams or individual players, people get too caught up in comparing percentages without accounting for volume.

All those 3 they take are opening up easy looks. Credit them for finding those.
Exactly. Shooting a ton of 3s at a mediocre clip stretches a defense more than shooting very few 3s at a higher percentage. They force you to defend the 3-point line, which helps create easier looks closer to the basket.

Thabo Sefolosha had a two-year stretch in OKC where he was hitting more than 40% of his 3s, but he didn't really force opposing defenses to account for him because he wouldn't shoot when faced with any half-decent closeout attempt. His shooting percentage was so high because he was only taking completely wide-open looks with no one within several feet of him. A 35% shooter with a quick trigger would have put more pressure on opposing defenses, thereby opening up the floor for the rest of the offense.

Shooting a ton of 3s at a mediocre rate is also efficient, in and of itself. A 35.4% 3-point clip is worth 1.062 points per shot. That's the same as shooting 53.1% inside the arc.

Ideally, you want to shoot a ton of 3s AND convert at a high rate, as OU does, but that's pretty rare. But failing to match OU in that department doesn't negate Villanova or any other team from being a 3-point shooting team. Villanova's 3-point rate (3PA/FGA) is .431, compared to .406 for OU. In that sense, Villanova is more reliant than OU is on making 3s.

As for defensive FG%, it's a misleading number for multiple reasons. For one, it doesn't factor in the reality that 3-pointers are worth more than 2-pointers, so it makes look as if giving up a bunch of 3s at a 40% clip is better than giving up 2s at a 45% clip. eFG% is a better standard, but even that doesn't take into account factors like defensive rebounding percentage, foul rate, and turnover rate. There are more holistic measures, such as defensive efficiency (adjusted or unadjusted), and Nova is ahead of OU in those measures, largely due to forcing a higher percentage of turnovers.

First, comparing any team's 3 point shooting to OU this season is a little unfair. Second, I think the "Nova is a 3 point shooting team" narrative is a little bit of a carryover from last season where they averaged a solid 39% from 3 as a team.

In reality, Nova's a defensive team. They're 7th in KenPom AdjD, 15th in scoring defense, and they've only allowed more than 80 points in regulation twice all season. They haven't allowed anyone to score more than 71 points in the month of March, and held everyone in the NCAA tournament under 70. This will be a tough test for OU's offense.
Nova is a very good defensive team, but those PPG figures are also largely a function of playing at a slow pace (fewer possessions = fewer points). PPG is a garbage measure of offense and defense. Stick to the KenPom stats.
 
I guess I forgot to put "good" 3 point shooting team. Which is what some analysts are saying. And they aren't.
 
I would say 35% as a team is good, It's just we are an all time great 3 point shooting team

Haha think I'm just shocked by the analysts tooting villanovas horn on being a good 3 point shooting team and a good defensive team when we are the BETTER 3 point shooting team and just as good(if not better) defensively
 
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