Pledger and M'Baye

[playmakr]

Posts like this are really weird to me because that play was obviously a result of M'baye not cutting the open basket like Pledge thought he should. How does this reveal inconsistent effort? I guess maybe on M'Baye's part for sitting on the perimeter when he had an open lane. This is just confirmation bias in action. Pledger got upset that M'Baye called for the ball and didn't go to it. You (and many others in this thread) are seeing what confirms your negative opinion of Pledger instead of seeing what happened. This isn't some kind of deeper issue. It was a miscommunication in the first game of the season that frustrated Pledger.

I didn't comment on the play, and my post had nothing to do with the play.

As an aside, inconsistent effort isn't the only thing I said.

Pledger is part of the old guard of attitudes and inconsistent effort. He needs to let others lead and just stand around the perimeter, shoot open 3's, and attempt to guard someone.

I will add to my original post. He did a good job in game 1. Stood around the 3 point line, and shot open 3's, and attempted to guard someone. This is his job with the talent influx for the team, 3 point specialist. Rarely should be dribble. Doesn't mean he isn't a good player or that I don't like him, he simply now has the talent around him where he doesn't have to do things he isn't good at and can stick to what he is GREAT at.

 

[PledgerFan]

Happens all the time with teams everywhere. Not a big deal, guys. Seriously.

 

[JBaker]

Man, that was one of the most insignificant little things I've ever seen going back and watching it.
Stuff like that happens in every game for every team.

Frankly, I'm glad that both guys cared enough up 32 with 3 minutes left in a game to be arguing with each other.

 

[dahldennsull]

Man, that was one of the most insignificant little things I've ever seen going back and watching it.
Stuff like that happens in every game for every team.

Frankly, I'm glad that both guys cared enough up 32 with 3 minutes left in a game to be arguing with each other.

Will agree with this.

Already sad how long we have to wait between games. Looking for another solid game against a good team on the road

 

[jmizzy4ou]

:ez-roll::ez-roll::ez-roll:

15 people saw the scene, and 15 interpretations followed. Gotta love the Internet.........


Why don't we just execute Pledger. That is the only way one or two of you here will ever be happy.

 

[garyeb2]

:ez-roll::ez-roll::ez-roll:

15 people saw the scene, and 15 interpretations followed. Gotta love the Internet.........


Why don't we just execute Pledger. That is the only way one or two of you here will ever be happy.

Help him get his degree. Honor him on senior night. Pass his scholorship on to a player alittle more well rounded. That's all.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Help him get his degree. Honor him on senior night. Pass his scholorship on to a player alittle more well rounded. That's all.

:ez-roll::ez-roll::ez-roll:

 

[DenverSooner]

I will add to my original post. He did a good job in game 1. Stood around the 3 point line, and shot open 3's, and attempted to guard someone. This is his job with the talent influx for the team, 3 point specialist. Rarely should be dribble. Doesn't mean he isn't a good player or that I don't like him, he simply now has the talent around him where he doesn't have to do things he isn't good at and can stick to what he is GREAT at.

Do you really think that? I would like to see a little more from Pledger than just being a 3 point shooter. If that is all he does, doesn't he become fairly predictable and easier to defend?

 

[Mr.B!!!]

I'm glad guys are holding each other accountable. Getting mad while up by more than 30 for a blown read is good. At some point it might be a two point game at the same juncture, bet the same mistake won't happen again. I thought RO did a good job too, best I could tell he just said to calm down.

 

[MNsooner]

Do you really think that? I would like to see a little more from Pledger than just being a 3 point shooter. If that is all he does, doesn't he become fairly predictable and easier to defend?

He doesn't actually think that. He is just phrasing his position as more extreme than it actually is because that is what people do online when their opinion is challenged.

 

[playmakr]

Do you really think that? I would like to see a little more from Pledger than just being a 3 point shooter. If that is all he does, doesn't he become fairly predictable and easier to defend?

Of course I think that. Our best offense is going to be others creating and either teams staying on him or him going for 20 plus when they help, making 5 threes in a game. His game is best suited off the ball, we simply didn't have enough guys to create for him and cause defenses to react until now. We are in trouble if we have to rely on him playing with the ball and trying to create, it's not his strength. He's pretty good at coming off baseline and mid post screens as well, so that part of his game can still be used. He will benefit the most from an influx in talent, he will get more open shots than he ever has, and won't have to work to do it. He will be the exact same to defend as he always was, but with a lot more help.

He's a 3 point shooting specialist and decent rebounder who was asked to do too much out of need in the past. He's not a creator on an Tourney caliber team, but a hell of a shooter that those teams covet and need.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Of course I think that. Our best offense is going to be others creating and either teams helping off him or him going for 20 plus, making 5 threes in a game. His game is best suited off the ball, we simply didn't have enough guys to create for him and cause defenses to react until now. We are in trouble if we have to rely on him playing with the ball and trying to create, it's not his strength. He's pretty good at coming off baseline and mid post screens as well, so that part of his game can still be used. He will benefit the most from an influx in talent, he will get more open shots than he ever has, and won't have to work to do it. He will be the exact same to defend as he always was, but with a lot more help.

He's a 3 point shooting specialist and decent rebounder who was asked to do too much out of need in the past. He's not a creator on an Tourney caliber team, but a hell of a shooter that those teams covet and need.

I agree 100%.

 

[garyeb2]

Of course I think that. Our best offense is going to be others creating and either teams helping off him or him going for 20 plus, making 5 threes in a game. His game is best suited off the ball, we simply didn't have enough guys to create for him and cause defenses to react until now. We are in trouble if we have to rely on him playing with the ball and trying to create, it's not his strength. He's pretty good at coming off baseline and mid post screens as well, so that part of his game can still be used. He will benefit the most from an influx in talent, he will get more open shots than he ever has, and won't have to work to do it. He will be the exact same to defend as he always was, but with a lot more help.

He's a 3 point shooting specialist and decent rebounder who was asked to do too much out of need in the past. He's not a creator on an Tourney caliber team, but a hell of a shooter that those teams covet and need.

Can you cite an example of that? Tubbs recently said that those players that he had that could take a defender off the dribble and hit a junper were the ones he put on the floor. Those that couldn't were on the bench.

I know that was a long time ago. I bought into that. Has the game passed me and old Billy by?

 

[jmizzy4ou]

Can you cite an example of that? Tubbs recently said that those players that he had that could take a defender off the dribble and hit a junper were the ones he put on the floor. Those that couldn't were on the bench.

I know that was a long time ago. I bought into that. Has the game passed me and old Billy by?

In my best Mack Brown voice, I'll answer that for Play!!!!

Jeff Hornacek, Ray Allen, JJ Redick, Michael Neal, Glen Rice, Kyle Korver, Dave Sieger, Dennis Scott, Dale Ellis, Dell Curry, etc.....

I mean come on gary, now you are being ridiculous. Everyone knows countless spot up shooters/3 pt specialist who have not only thrived in college, many have made alot of money on NBA rosters and over seas. Of course many of them could do a little more, but many on the short list I gave were known as shooters only, defensive and off the dribble challenged.

here are a few more: Steve Kerr, Jim Paxson, Chuck Person, Wesley Person, etc......

Just admit you don't care for Pledger, whatever your reason is, only you truly know. No matter what happens, you seem more set on Pledger getting no credit, and if you had your way, he would be long gone. Anyone being objective can see you have a personal bone with the guy, and it shows in your inability to refrain from taking a shot at him at every turn. It really has gotten old, and it kills your credibility when it comes to discussing Pledger, IMO......

 

[StatGeek]

Of course I think that. Our best offense is going to be others creating and either teams helping off him or him going for 20 plus, making 5 threes in a game. His game is best suited off the ball, we simply didn't have enough guys to create for him and cause defenses to react until now. We are in trouble if we have to rely on him playing with the ball and trying to create, it's not his strength. He's pretty good at coming off baseline and mid post screens as well, so that part of his game can still be used. He will benefit the most from an influx in talent, he will get more open shots than he ever has, and won't have to work to do it. He will be the exact same to defend as he always was, but with a lot more help.

He's a 3 point shooting specialist and decent rebounder who was asked to do too much out of need in the past. He's not a creator on an Tourney caliber team, but a hell of a shooter that those teams covet and need.

Solid

 

[cfin5256]

I agree with play. I like Pledger, but am just as happy we have the talent where he can be a spot up guy again.

 

[StatGeek]

In my best Mack Brown voice, I'll answer that for Play!!!!

Jeff Hornacek, Ray Allen, JJ Redick, Michael Neal, Glen Rice, Kyle Korver, Dave Sieger, Dennis Scott, Dale Ellis, Dell Curry, etc.....

I mean come on gary, now you are being ridiculous. Everyone knows countless spot up shooters/3 pt specialist who have not only thrived in college, many have made alot of money on NBA rosters and over seas. Of course many of them could do a little more, but many on the short list I gave were known as shooters only, defensive and off the dribble challenged.

here are a few more: Steve Kerr, Jim Paxson, Chuck Person, Wesley Person, etc......

Just admit you don't care for Pledger, whatever your reason is, only you truly know. No matter what happens, you seem more set on Pledger getting no credit, and if you had your way, he would be long gone. Anyone being objective can see you have a personal bone with the guy, and it shows in your inability to refrain from taking a shot at him at every turn. It really has gotten old, and it kills your credibility when it comes to discussing Pledger, IMO......

This and other antics have destroyed all of his credibility IMO.

 

[playmakr]

Can you cite an example of that? Tubbs recently said that those players that he had that could take a defender off the dribble and hit a junper were the ones he put on the floor. Those that couldn't were on the bench.

I know that was a long time ago. I bought into that. Has the game passed me and old Billy by?

Jmizzy provided plenty of good examples, but is that what you are looking for, 3 point specialists? There are hundreds of them. Admittedly it finds more of a niche at the NBA level, but Pledger has enough size where he can be more than a 1 trick pony, I'm simply pointing to what his MAIN roll on a good team is.

Now, if you are saying you want Buddy eating into his minutes as a better defender, slasher, natural creator, then I'm with you. But you can't have too many shooters.

Edit: I probably should not have brought up Pledger's past issues that I have with him in the context of this thread, especially since the exchange didn't even deserve it's own thread or discussion in my opinion, no offense to Skyvue. I've just felt throughout his career his attitude has been poor and his effort throughout games, especially defensively, has also been poor. Granted, not on the level of a couple of the clowns who came and went, but it was there. In his defense, things were lax and loose under Capel, and if he had started under Lon maybe things would have gone differently. I think he will thrive in his new role and as we get farther and farther away from the disaster era/psyche of OU basketball.

 

[garyeb2]

In my best Mack Brown voice, I'll answer that for Play!!!!

Jeff Hornacek, Ray Allen, JJ Redick, Michael Neal, Glen Rice, Kyle Korver, Dave Sieger, Dennis Scott, Dale Ellis, Dell Curry, etc.....

I mean come on gary, now you are being ridiculous. Everyone knows countless spot up shooters/3 pt specialist who have not only thrived in college, many have made alot of money on NBA rosters and over seas. Of course many of them could do a little more, but many on the short list I gave were known as shooters only, defensive and off the dribble challenged.

here are a few more: Steve Kerr, Jim Paxson, Chuck Person, Wesley Person, etc......

Just admit you don't care for Pledger, whatever your reason is, only you truly know. No matter what happens, you seem more set on Pledger getting no credit, and if you had your way, he would be long gone. Anyone being objective can see you have a personal bone with the guy, and it shows in your inability to refrain from taking a shot at him at every turn. It really has gotten old, and it kills your credibility when it comes to discussing Pledger, IMO......

I don't have any personal bone with Pledger. I don't know him in any other context other than the times I patted him on the back and shook his hand to congradulate him on a good practice or game.

I do have some personal animosity toward the posters that react to a minority opinion with profanity, name calling, and mean spirited personal attacts. I have spent the last year putting those people on tilt just for the fun of it. Pledger has just been the most convenient vehicle.

It has taken awhile, but, it has worked to some degree. For the most part, myself or anyone else can come and go with a minority opinion without much grief.

 

[jmizzy4ou]

I don't have any personal bone with Pledger. I don't know him in any other context other than the times I patted him on the back and shook his hand to congradulate him on a good practice or game.

I do have some personal animosity toward the posters that react to a minority opinion with profanity, name calling, and mean spirited personal attacts. I have spent the last year putting those people on tilt just for the fun of it. Pledger has just been the most convenient vehicle.

It has taken awhile, but, it has worked to some degree. For the most part, myself or anyone else can come and go with a minority opinion with much grief.

Well I don't think I have attacked anyone, called anyone names, or been mean spirited about anything. If I have, I apologize for that........