Pledger and M'Baye

[garyeb2]

Well I don't think I have attacked anyone, called anyone names, or been mean spirited about anything. If I have, I apologize for that........

I wasn't pointing a finger at you.

 

[skyvue]

I have spent the last year putting those people on tilt just for the fun of it. Pledger has just been the most convenient vehicle.

It has taken awhile, but, it has worked to some degree. For the most part, myself or anyone else can come and go with a minority opinion without much grief.

Wow. Just ... wow.

 

[Mutron76]

What is fun about that? I have respected your posts even though I have always thought your pledge hate was over the top. However, even then I believed this was your particular honest view which is fine. But what you describe in your post is clearly the act of trolling in the sense you are purposely trying to instigate message board fights for the fun of it. I always give people the benefit of the doubt and really appreciated your practice reports but clearly Skyvue's assessment of your threadjacking appears to be spot on and I was'nt convinced of that. I would just hit ignore now that you have made your real motives clear but you post in almost every thread and I would still have to read them when other people quote you so that would not do any good.

 

[Crocker's Long Sleeves]

Wait so garyeb2 has just been trolling this place for years about Pledger? What a giant douchenozzel, who has the time or effort to do that? You must live a wonderful life.

 

[luckyc1423]

Im not sure exactly what all has been posted because reading some of these posts is like watching children bicker.

But, I for one think pledgers minutes will be reduced over the year in average.

I think just like play said he is a huge value as a 3 point specialist. But he wont shoot well everygame, in those games I expect Kruger to sit him thus reducing his minutes. We dont have to have pledger keep shooting this year in hopes he gets hot. If pledger isnt shooting well im sure he will be benched which will reduce his average minutes.

 

[garyeb2]

What is fun about that? I have respected your posts even though I have always thought your pledge hate was over the top. However, even then I believed this was your particular honest view which is fine. But what you describe in your post is clearly the act of trolling in the sense you are purposely trying to instigate message board fights for the fun of it. I always give people the benefit of the doubt and really appreciated your practice reports but clearly Skyvue's assessment of your threadjacking appears to be spot on and I was'nt convinced of that. I would just hit ignore now that you have made your real motives clear but you post in almost every thread and I would still have to read them when other people quote you so that would not do any good.

No, I said I don't have anything personal against Pledger. I do think he is too slow and limited athletically to be the bell cow. He is a good shooter and that is it.

Sky boy started this. He popped into a thread and stated that he had arrived to put this new guy in his place. Rallied up the pilers on and then he proceeded with what I considered mean spirited personal insults. Nothing to do with the topic at hand. He didn't like the consequences of his actions. And he still doesn't like it. And he still wants to pop in to whine about Gary being mean to him.

So, do you think I've done something bad by targeting a handfull of name callers, key board bullies, and the insult posse. Is the message board world a place with no consequences. If someone says my opinions are crap, guess what, I'm going to insist that they defend theirs.

 

[BoulderSooner]

None of us know for sure who was at fault. And I just rewatched it about 5 times, and the "bickering" doesn't look nearly as bad to me as it did watching it live.

The play starts at the 1:41:04 mark if you watch the SoonerSportstv replay.

If somebody can read lips, I'd love to know what Osby said. Kruger was right there, and didn't say anything, or have a disgusted look on his face, so I'd say it isn't a big deal.

I'd be pretty surprised if LK thought M'Baye did the right thing on that play though. His defender was VERY late getting back down the floor, and M'Baye was hanging out near the top of the key. Had he flashed to the lane, probably an easy dunk. Had he flared out to the wing, probably an open 3. But he just stood there. JMO.

m'baye just stopped on the play just when pledge passed him the ball .. his defender was trailing behind him and he had the entire lane ...

pledger should have ripped him

 

[skyvue]

pledger should have ripped him

Really? So every time a player makes a misstep or poor choice a teammate should rip him?

I say let the coach handle that. The players need to tend to their own business. None of them are perfect; they'll all make boneheaded plays. And if a player does want to speak to a teammate about a poor play, it should be one-on-one on the bench (or, even better, in the locker room), not out on the court.

 

[25mob]

m'baye just stopped on the play just when pledge passed him the ball .. his defender was trailing behind him and he had the entire lane ...

pledger should have ripped him

That's funny since pledger did the same exact thing to cousins in the Washburn game but cousins didn't rip him. No matter how its spun... Pledger handled it incorrectly. I was pleased to see Ro step in and show some Senior leadership and showed why he's a captain.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Really? So every time a player makes a misstep or poor choice a teammate should rip him?

I say let the coach handle that. The players need to tend to their own business. None of them are perfect; they'll all make boneheaded plays. And if a player does want to speak to a teammate about a poor play, it should be one-on-one on the bench (or, even better, in the locker room), not out on the court.

If it is b/c of a lack of effort or hustle, I would hope a senior would get onto a new comer

 

[skyvue]

If it is b/c of a lack of effort or hustle, I would hope a senior would get onto a new comer

I would, too -- but not in so public and demonstrative a fashion. Save it till you're on the sidelines. M'Baye responded in kind, so he's not off the hook, either, in my eyes (especially if he didn't give full effort on the play), but there's no need to take the criticism public in that way.

 

[MNsooner]

Really? So every time a player makes a misstep or poor choice a teammate should rip him?

I say let the coach handle that. The players need to tend to their own business. None of them are perfect; they'll all make boneheaded plays. And if a player does want to speak to a teammate about a poor play, it should be one-on-one on the bench (or, even better, in the locker room), not out on the court.

I think if it was Osby ripping him we would be talking about our seniors being leaders and holding new guys accountable. I think it is a positive change that bad plays are an issue that get our guys upset. I just don't think this was a serious spat just one guy calling another guy out for not hustling.

 

[skyvue]

I think if it was Osby ripping him we would be talking about our seniors being leaders and holding new guys accountable. I think it is a positive change that bad plays are an issue that get our guys upset. I just don't think this was a serious spat just one guy calling another guy out for not hustling.

Fair enough. I am glad that the guys are invested enough to care.

 

[25mob]

I think if it was Osby ripping him we would be talking about our seniors being leaders and holding new guys accountable. I think it is a positive change that bad plays are an issue that get our guys upset. I just don't think this was a serious spat just one guy calling another guy out for not hustling.

Didn't Ro and Pledger get into something similar during the first scrimmage?

Also, I just watched it again and it's clearly not M'Baye fault. he was standing at the 3 point line while Pledger was trying to take number 15 off the dribble then Pledger attempted a one handed pass of a dribble to M'Baye which was off target and went out of bounds. How anyone can say M'Baye wasn't hustling or giving effort in this particular instance is beyond me and they need to go back and watch it again.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Watched it. The turnover was pledgers fault clearly. They both pointed to one another at the same time. Mbaye left it at that and pledger kept talking. Seems like they don't like each other

 

[WTSooner]

Didn't Ro and Pledger get into something similar during the first scrimmage?

Also, I just watched it again and it's clearly not M'Baye fault. he was standing at the 3 point line while Pledger was trying to take number 15 off the dribble then Pledger attempted a one handed pass of a dribble to M'Baye which was off target and went out of bounds. How anyone can say M'Baye wasn't hustling or giving effort in this particular instance is beyond me and they need to go back and watch it again.

How anyone can say M'Baye was doing the "correct basketball thing" there, is beyond me. You are almost NEVER in the right, in basketball, if you are standing still without the basketball. Pledger threw the ball where M'Baye should have been going. Just like a QB throwing to where a receiver is "suppose" to be.

 

[Sam]

The fact that this has made 3 pages is amazing. Bless the Internet.

 

[25mob]

How anyone can say M'Baye was doing the "correct basketball thing" there, is beyond me. You are almost NEVER in the right, in basketball, if you are standing still without the basketball. Pledger threw the ball where M'Baye should have been going. Just like a QB throwing to where a receiver is "suppose" to be.

Hahaha! thank you for that laugh. It was just a bad basketball play on Pledger's part. Pledger should have thrown the ball to M'Baye because he was standing still open. If M'Baye was moving then yes Pledger should lead him.

Just like a qb leads a moving receiver running a route but if that receiver has already settled down then the qb will throw it directly to him.

Pledger made a mistake it's not the end of the world...

 

[playmakr]

The fact that this has made 3 pages is amazing. Bless the Internet.

It would be better if all threads had 1 page with no responses.

 

[MNsooner]

The fact that this has made 3 pages is amazing. Bless the Internet.

:ez-roll:

You'd think it was the only possession we played in the game if you only read this board.