Pledger's three....

[garyeb2]

Here is the problem with going on a constant whine about officiating. It is just a fog machine that obscures the big picture.

OU has not reached a point in their rebuild that they should go on the road and beat a top 20 team. They almost did. They had a chance to. But, they didn't. If they replayed that game 100 times in the same place under simular circumstances, OSU would probably win 75-80 of them.

OU will be the best team soon enough. But, is just isn't now.

 

[propoke]

Another view, obviously a couple of tenths before the one on the front page

This was where the jump ball was called. Any contact after this point doesn't matter because both players are said to have possession of the ball. If it were considered a block that went off OU the contact might be different. This is no different than any other jump ball where there is a lot of contact after both players have possession.

 

[skyvue]

This was where the jump ball was called. Any contact after this point doesn't matter because both players are said to have possession of the ball. If it were considered a block that went off OU the contact might be different. This is no different than any other jump ball where there is a lot of contact after both players have possession.

Really? Shooting fouls are called all the time when the contact comes after the ball has left the shooter's hands.

That contact was in no way incidental. Pledger got knocked back six feet and Smart went sprawling, ending up on the ground.

If the contact was truly incidental, according to the standards oshwoFan suggests that rule puts forth, then I have seen literally hundreds of fouls this season alone that should never have been whistled and many, many thousands of inappropriate fouls called in my lifetime.

In fact, if we were to go strictly by that definition, the only fouls that should be whistled are intentional ones, because virtually all other contact happens in "an unplanned or subordinate conjunction with something else."

 

[CompOUnder]

Really? Shooting fouls are called all the time when the contact comes after the ball has left the shooter's hands.

That contact was in no way incidental. Pledger got knocked back six feet and Smart went sprawling, ending up on the ground.

If the contact was truly incidental, according to the standards oshwoFan suggests that rule puts forth, then I have seen literally hundreds of fouls this season alone that should never have been whistled and many, many thousands of inappropriate fouls called in my lifetime.

In fact, if we were to go strictly by that definition, the only fouls that should be whistled are intentional ones, because virtually all other contact happens in "an unplanned or subordinate conjunction with something else."

Terms even a crybaby can understand:

This isn't like contact after a shot because once the ball is tied up the contact after doesn't matter. After a shot that isn't tied up it is still live play.

That simple enough for you even?

 

[propoke]

Really? Shooting fouls are called all the time when the contact comes after the ball has left the shooter's hands.

That contact was in no way incidental. Pledger got knocked back six feet and Smart went sprawling, ending up on the ground.

If the contact was truly incidental, according to the standards oshwoFan suggests that rule puts forth, then I have seen literally hundreds of fouls this season alone that should never have been whistled and many, many thousands of inappropriate fouls called in my lifetime.

In fact, if we were to go strictly by that definition, the only fouls that should be whistled are intentional ones, because virtually all other contact happens in "an unplanned or subordinate conjunction with something else."

This is true if the ref called it a blocked shot, but that is not what he called. The ref determined that both players had possession of the ball before the contact took place.

You would be 100% correct if Smart would have just tipped the ball, then made contact with Pledger.

 

[Dignon003]

Really? Shooting fouls are called all the time when the contact comes after the ball has left the shooter's hands.

That contact was in no way incidental. Pledger got knocked back six feet and Smart went sprawling, ending up on the ground.

If the contact was truly incidental, according to the standards oshwoFan suggests that rule puts forth, then I have seen literally hundreds of fouls this season alone that should never have been whistled and many, many thousands of inappropriate fouls called in my lifetime.

In fact, if we were to go strictly by that definition, the only fouls that should be whistled are intentional ones, because virtually all other contact happens in "an unplanned or subordinate conjunction with something else."

The ball never left his hand. From the expression on the face the pictures look to be taken at the same time.

 

[IndySooner]

The ball never left his hand. From the expression on the face the pictures look to be taken at the same time.

Right. Which means the contact took place BEFORE the jump ball was called.

 

[DenverSooner]

OU will be the best team soon enough. But, is just isn't now.

Based on head to head I would say OU is the best team. OU controlled OSU in Norman. OU lead most of the game in Stoolwater. I agree that OU is not so much better that OSU doesn't win most games in Stoolwater but I think your precnetages are a bit too high. I think OU wins about 35% of the time in Stoolwater and 85% of the time in Norman. Obviously my percentages are made up but that would be 120-80 in a 200 game serries. It is pretty difficult to conclude OSU is the better team in that situation.

 

[garyeb2]

Based on head to head I would say OU is the best team. OU controlled OSU in Norman. OU lead most of the game in Stoolwater. I agree that OU is not so much better that OSU doesn't win most games in Stoolwater but I think your precnetages are a bit too high. I think OU wins about 35% of the time in Stoolwater and 85% of the time in Norman. Obviously my percentages are made up but that would be 120-80 in a 200 game serries. It is pretty difficult to conclude OSU is the better team in that situation.

How often would Gooms go off for 18 in Stillwater? And even that wasn't enough. Factor that into your formula.

Whatever you come up with, you're welcome to your opinion.

 

[DenverSooner]

How often would Gooms go off for 18 in Stillwater? And even that wasn't enough. Factor that into your formula.

Whatever you come up with, you're welcome to your opinion.

In 80 minutes of head to head, OU led for about 65 of them. Even you suggested OU would win 30 of 100 in Stoolwater. If you think OU wins 80 of 100 in Norman that is 110-90 in 200 game serries. It seems to me OU is the better team.

 

[garyeb2]

In 80 minutes of head to head, OU led for about 65 of them. Even you suggested OU would win 30 of 100 in Stoolwater. If you think OU wins 80 of 100 in Norman that is 110-90 in 200 game serries. It seems to me OU is the better team.

I don't think that OU would win 80 of 100 in Norman. You think that. OU was a 3 pt. favorite. 3 pt. home favorites tyically win close 65% of the time.

If they play on a nuetral court this season, OSU will be favored by 5/6 and will probably win. From top to bottom they have better players. OU is a recruiting class or two away from being as good as they were in the Kelvin years.