Point guards and shooters.

[coolm]

What if we just recruited and signed nothing but point guards and shooters?

We can emphasize some size to help in the paint more, but you can put 5 on the floor and play this way whether you get size or not. And go to the tourney. We see it often.

I think it would be interesting to see the ways they do end up reconfiguring the team season by season doing that.

I think it behooves us more to lean one way or the other.

 

[TINY]

What if we just recruited and signed nothing but point guards and shooters?

We can emphasize some size to help in the paint more, but you can put 5 on the floor and play this way whether you get size or not. And go to the tourney. We see it often.

I think it would be interesting to see the ways they do end up reconfiguring the team season by season doing that.

I think it behooves us more to lean one way or the other.

Can't have enough ball handlers and shooters.

You have to have some bigs to make the tournament in the big12 though.

 

[j2d2]

A big with ability limited to get put-backs and rebounds with the rest of the team being guards would do nicely. A big butted wide body.

 

[jaymOU]

What if we just recruited and signed nothing but point guards and shooters?

We can emphasize some size to help in the paint more, but you can put 5 on the floor and play this way whether you get size or not. And go to the tourney. We see it often.

I think it would be interesting to see the ways they do end up reconfiguring the team season by season doing that.

I think it behooves us more to lean one way or the other.

Used to cover Don Sumner who coached at St. Gregory's JC back in the day. This was his philosophy 30 years ago. Always had a great winning percentage and was a blast to watch and cover.

It's interesting to ponder. Lon seems like longer, athletic wings who aren't always the best shooters when they arrive. I love the way Golden State and Cleveland plays but they have a freaks at the 3, so it's hard to compare.

I think it would work well, not sure it would be Final Four good, but it would be fun to watch.

 

[NorthCarolinaSooner]

What if we just recruited and signed nothing but point guards and shooters?

We can emphasize some size to help in the paint more, but you can put 5 on the floor and play this way whether you get size or not. And go to the tourney. We see it often.

I think it would be interesting to see the ways they do end up reconfiguring the team season by season doing that.

I think it behooves us more to lean one way or the other.

I have some experience with this. I used to be a small college head coach and we built everything around this same philosophy. Mainly out of necessity since we had a tough time getting bigs but we had tons of shooters.

For our level we were pretty good (#12 in the country my last year there) we played the NAIA national runner up to a 6 point Ball game. We led the country in our association in three pointers attempted (almost 900 attempts) and three pointers made (almost 300) to give you an idea of how many threes we put up.

That year we played 5 NCAA D1 teams, including three that made the NCAA tourney and one that should have. We went to Mercer and only had 5 TO's in 40 minutes and we went to the MEAC Champs and only had 9 TO's in 40 minutes. We lost both games by around 30. We were demolished on the boards and they MURDERED us in the paint. Pretty much every shot was one and done.

Now OU could get way better (and bigger) athletes than we could but they would really struggle inside....very similar to what Oklahoma State killed us with and Texas killed us with on the glass. You need that inside presence against the big physical boys.

I know it isn't a great comparison but it's a similar idea. I love the idea of having a lot of shooters though.

 

[coolm]

You need that inside presence against the big physical boys.

I know it isn't a great comparison but it's a similar idea. I love the idea of having a lot of shooters though.

No, quite the opposite actually. I appreciate your insight there. I figured it would be rough inside in conference. Thought we could zone and press and crash the boards.

But thats why you also sign a couple of big stiffs. man mountains inside whose only job is to eat up space. Big bodies and big booties.

 

[Larry72]

Your proposal is basically what the Houston Rockets currently are.

The new 2018 commit is a 6'4" PG, Shooter, and versatile defender. I think that Lon is headed in that direction and a lot of other teams as well.

With Shooters, the lane is going to be open for penetration and shots / kick outs.

 

[coolm]

Your proposal is basically what the Houston Rockets currently are.

With Shooters, the lane is going to be open for penetration and shots / kick outs.

exactly!! Thats what made me think about it. The game is going that way now. I think that's our future.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

THe Rockets have a good center in Nene and a budding start down low in acapella

 

[thebigabd]

The floor isn't so spread out in college basketball, and the lane is much more clogged. I don't know that you can truly implement this new brand of NBA basketball in the college game. Maybe you can? But I know the floor spacing is a big part of it in the NBA, that you physically don't have in NCAA.

 

[AdaSooner]

No, quite the opposite actually. I appreciate your insight there. I figured it would be rough inside in conference. Thought we could zone and press and crash the boards.

But thats why you also sign a couple of big stiffs. man mountains inside whose only job is to eat up space. Big bodies and big booties.

Now you're talking! You can't win consistently in today's college game without a quality big or two, preferably as you said with "big bodies and big booties." Tall, athletic post players (see Khadeem and Jamuni) aren't enough. Post players like them get pushed around too much by 6' 8" Power Forwards with big butts. That's one of the reasons I'm anxious to see what Hannes Polla can do. He may be on the raw side, but it won't be nearly as easy to move 6' 11" 265 out of position down low.

Your plan might work if you add a couple of bigs to the mix. Point guards and shooters may sound good. But your team would get killed on the boards and by giving up too many points in the paint without a couple of blue collar big uglies to offset the size disadvantages.

 

[OUballer]

no matter how many shooters you have you will always need some bigs in the middle. You saw how the bigs dominated the the final game. We need an atheletic big to come in next year. Our 67 pf is not big enough for most teams. Watch the games

 

[sperry]

The floor isn't so spread out in college basketball, and the lane is much more clogged. I don't know that you can truly implement this new brand of NBA basketball in the college game. Maybe you can? But I know the floor spacing is a big part of it in the NBA, that you physically don't have in NCAA.

What? The floor is much more spread out in college basketball because there are way more teams playing small lineups out of necessity. OU had 4 guys on the perimeter on offense a ton last year.


But I also agree with CoolM. Basically, in college hoops with the line so close, teams should be shooting 30+ 3s per game. I know he's a forgotten man, but I really hope Freeman takes a step forward next year. If we could run a lineup of Trae, James, McGusty, Doolittle, Freeman that would be ideal.

 

[chuckb]

What? The floor is much more spread out in college basketball because there are way more teams playing small lineups out of necessity. OU had 4 guys on the perimeter on offense a ton last year.


But I also agree with CoolM. Basically, in college hoops with the line so close, teams should be shooting 30+ 3s per game. I know he's a forgotten man, but I really hope Freeman takes a step forward next year. If we could run a lineup of Trae, James, McGusty, Doolittle, Freeman that would be ideal.

I disagree. ABD is right. The floor is much more spread out in the NBA due to the longer 3 pt distance and the fact that shooters can shoot effectively from farther away. It's much easier for college defenses to clog the lane and force teams to shoot from the outside. The shorter shot clock in the NBA also forces faster movement and quicker shots. NBA defenses are forced to defend as soon as offenses cross halfcourt. It's just a much more spread out game.

 

[Zimwillett]

I mean, the two teams in the title game this season got there largely because they were able to dominate people with size and rebounding. Villanova was about the closest to an "all guards" lineup as I can think of this year. Obviously, it worked out really well for them for most of the season, but it cost them against Wisconsin.

I do think that the new shot clock and freedom of movement rules are going to put more of a premium on skilled bigs who can shoot and make plays for themselves, but at the end of the day, the best teams are still going to have to have some kind of force in the paint.

 

[CobraKai]

Wasn't this essentially Travis Ford's philosophy?