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You are dead on about our fouls. Position, position, position. And then they follow a play where they are beat by making another bad play by reaching. Experience helps-its why our junior and seniors are better than our freshmen and sophomores on defense
 
you can do what ever with these players, but the real problem is their just not that good right now. And I'm not sure they ever will be. If you can't shoot better than we are right now you won't beat many teams. And if you can't rebound and play defense you won't beat many teams.
 
you can do what ever with these players, but the real problem is their just not that good right now. And I'm not sure they ever will be. If you can't shoot better than we are right now you won't beat many teams. And if you can't rebound and play defense you won't beat many teams.

You are exactly correct. I think they are a little ahead of schedule than what I expected them to be simply based upon where they were ranked and their success level in high school. You can't be middle of the road in high school, get to college and think you are going to win against the other players that were in high school with you that were far above your ability and skill level. They are steadily improving as well...can't catch'um! We need some of those top 10 players EVERY year to compete beyond just making to the tournament.
 
And...I say the team is on a decline based on the DATA. Again, we didn't build on our best years of talent, skill, exposure and successes. Look at the data... http://issuu.com/soonersports.com/docs/2012-13_wbb_media_guide?e=1157558/2616971

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We have never gone this many years without winning regular season Big 12 and Big 12 tourneys. It's fine to do all of the community service, academic work and just make it to the tournament, but those should be GIVENS! Ain't nothing special about that. That's like paying your kids to do chores around the house! That's expected. The key is grasping success...2002...building on it and taking it to the next level. The next level for OU was a NC. We've missed that opportunity...unless a miracle on Jenkins street takes place!
 
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It's fine to do all of the community service, academic work and just make it to the tournament, but those should be GIVENS! Ain't nothing special about that. That's like paying your kids to do chores around the house! That's expected. The key is grasping success...2002...building on it and taking it to the next level. The next level for OU was a NC. We've missed that opportunity...unless a miracle on Jenkins street takes place!

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It's crazy to think it's been 12 years since that magical season began. I wonder if the recruits these days even remember watching that team. They would've been like 5 or younger, so they probably don't. To kids these days, that's like 100 years ago.
 
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It's crazy to think it's been 12 years since that magical season began. I wonder if the recruits these days even remember watching that team. They would've been like 5 or younger, so they probably don't. To kids these days, that's like 100 years ago.

You're right Three... But that is why strategic, consistent and effective recruiting is imperative. IF the recruiting and official visit strategies had been better during 2006-current...then we would not have to worry about the current recruits' inability to remember the players, because they would constantly be recruiting players that are only 1-4 years ahead of the recruit. You can't wait until 2013 and start showing pictures of Abi Olajawon and her Dad! Heck, her dad is old enough to be their grandfather! They can't relate.

(Edit) But what about this novel idea? Hire AO as a Grad Asst. and let her tell the story to the parent and player. Surely OU can afford it. It's not like they have to scramble around for money to cover scholarships! That was taken care of with all the endowments, season ticket sells and ESPN exposure back in 2005-2010.

But if they had been recruiting strategically and effectively EACH YEAR, they would have had some top 10 players every year since 2005. If you get the first one, you have to build on it. Now... ALLEGEDLY many of the top players came on official visits and many of them were interested and wanted to go there but never could get the reassurances and comfort they needed as players and parents...so I've been told! That can't happen when you're trying to get to the next level.
 
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And further more... these folks are doing well at other places AFTER working at OU as videographers...

http://www.gohuskies.com/ViewArticl...B_OEM_ID=30200&ATCLID=208307561&Q_SEASON=2013

A RECRUITING COORDINATOR?
http://www.tulsahurricane.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/brown_britney00.html

And where in the heck is Stacy Hansmeyer? She was NOT the coach to be replaced with the most unsuccessful coach in the history of Cali; college or high school!

Go figure! But hey...let's sing Kumbaya and thank the basketball gods that we still have a WBB program at OU! :woot
 
Here is my thought. I like having a positive approach to things. Sherri said we don't know who we are. Think of the loses as growing. Finding who we are. When you lose leaders like Whitney and Jo it is hard to find someone to step up. You have to think about how young this team is. 6 new comers plus Maddie and Kornet being super young. This might just be an off year and a way of growing for the youngsters. We may not win the conference or a national championship but the sooner the underclassmen figure their roles out the better off this team is going to be. You I realize going to NYC and LA are nice and may "lose focus" but if you don't allow them to have fun they are not going to enjoy the little things of the game. Giving Sherri the benefit here she is doing what she can. You can say Sherri is doing bad at her job but until you have been there in her shoes you have no room to talk. I respect Sherri too much to have people say she is not doing her job well.
 
If Sherri Coale weren't at least ten times as competent as you seem to think, there would be no board on which to post your hatred of Sherri Coale.

If it hadn't been for Sherri Coale, OU would have a mundane basketball program, if we had one at all. Your memories are short, and your wisdom shorter.

If it hadn't been for Sherri Coale, nobody would have enough interest to post on a board about OU women's basketball. How many schools in this area have solid boards for women? How is KU's board, or KS's? Tell me about OSU's board. Tech and Baylor have boards, for now. I understand that Tech's is waning a bit. The Cyclones have a board, but apparently not with the same interest. Nebraska's board was weak, as was the Buff board. This is probably the strongest board in the Big Twelve. Yet, it wouldn't have developed had it not been for Sherri Coale. Not only would this board not be here to complain on, you would never have had enough interest to show up and complain.

Why aren't you king? Well, because you didn't grow up in the royal family of a monarchy for one thing. Why isn't John Lennon king? He was probably as popular as any person in England. He wasn't born into it. We all have circumstances that define the possibilities. Look around at OU. Tell me the name of a coach who you think would have done what Sherri has done. Why?

If you have no perspective, your thought can be pretty much ignored.
 
Here is my thought. I like having a positive approach to things. Sherri said we don't know who we are. Think of the loses as growing. Finding who we are. When you lose leaders like Whitney and Jo it is hard to find someone to step up. You have to think about how young this team is. 6 new comers plus Maddie and Kornet being super young. This might just be an off year and a way of growing for the youngsters. We may not win the conference or a national championship but the sooner the underclassmen figure their roles out the better off this team is going to be. You I realize going to NYC and LA are nice and may "lose focus" but if you don't allow them to have fun they are not going to enjoy the little things of the game. Giving Sherri the benefit here she is doing what she can. You can say Sherri is doing bad at her job but until you have been there in her shoes you have no room to talk. I respect Sherri too much to have people say she is not doing her job well.

I don't believe that I've seen anyone state that "she is not doing her job well"...overall. Actually, I think she does a phenomenal job of some of the other things other than recruiting (she happens to agree with me based on what she said about 7 years ago...and she has lived up to every word of it...IMHO) and skill development. Now mind you, she is not specifically responsible for every action that occurs by players and her staff. But ultimately, she is responsible for the program.
 
If Sherri Coale weren't at least ten times as competent as you seem to think, there would be no board on which to post your hatred of Sherri Coale.

If it hadn't been for Sherri Coale, OU would have a mundane basketball program, if we had one at all. Your memories are short, and your wisdom shorter.

If it hadn't been for Sherri Coale, nobody would have enough interest to post on a board about OU women's basketball. How many schools in this area have solid boards for women? How is KU's board, or KS's? Tell me about OSU's board. Tech and Baylor have boards, for now. I understand that Tech's is waning a bit. The Cyclones have a board, but apparently not with the same interest. Nebraska's board was weak, as was the Buff board. This is probably the strongest board in the Big Twelve. Yet, it wouldn't have developed had it not been for Sherri Coale. Not only would this board not be here to complain on, you would never have had enough interest to show up and complain.

Why aren't you king? Well, because you didn't grow up in the royal family of a monarchy for one thing. Why isn't John Lennon king? He was probably as popular as any person in England. He wasn't born into it. We all have circumstances that define the possibilities. Look around at OU. Tell me the name of a coach who you think would have done what Sherri has done. Why?

If you have no perspective, your thought can be pretty much ignored.

You've stated great points of accomplishments that no one can take from the program and SC. My memory of the past (followed her at Norman H.S.) is vivid and I remember the sad state of affairs when she took the job. But does that mean she should rest on her laurels of the past? Not continue to grow and improve? And should we compare OU to various other programs and forums. What/who is the standard to which one should strive? Look no further than ones SELF. It doesn't matter if you're doing better than the other folks down the street. Are you becoming the BEST YOU/PROGRAM YOU CAN BE? I think the program has missed some opportunities to improve and it's showing.
 
There isn't even a demand for a national title in football at OU any more. We've been to the Final Four three times since we won a national title, and nobody seems to be looking to fire the coach.

Coale is doing more with less than anyone since those who made the run.
 
Probably early to write this team off.

We usually improve a lot during the holidays where they can have a lot of practice time to iron out difficulties.

We don't seem to have a clear identity as a team. Marist has a rep as a team with good outside shooters and they do well almost every game. We have the rep but have not delivered yet.

Marist stopped our running game cold and we had to rely on our half court game. Our half court game over the years has not been great and is very turnover prone. And our shot selection often suffers. Since her breakout game against Duke Hook has launched most of her trey attempts from down around Pauls Vallery. Ellenberg gets a lot of her trey makes on our running game.

We also at times seem to suffer from an uneven intensity in which we have a great run and then let the opponent close on us. Not sure the reason for that.

It is probably unfair to compare our program with Tennessee, Connecticut and Stanford. They got established well before any semblance of parity entered the womens game and well before Sherri came on the scene. We have competed fairly well with the newer teams that have emerged but we don't seem to get the quality of player that Louisville, Baylor, Duke and Kentucky get. Of course Baylor's recruiting bonanza was a bit tarnished. Probably not as much cheating in the womens game but probably some out there and not a hint about any dark side stuff from Sherri.

Two top 15 players and 3 top 50 every year is an admirable goal but how many teams other than UConn, Duke, Tennessee, Notre Dame and Stanford usually do that. And how often does it pan out. Rutgers had a recruiting bonanza a few years ago and they didn't get any further than Sherri did with her recruits.
 
There isn't even a demand for a national title in football at OU any more.

I don't understand that comment. Who have you heard say they don't expect another national title?

Coale is doing more with less than anyone since those who made the run.

That's the problem...if recruiting was better, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
I don't understand that comment. Who have you heard say they don't expect another national title?



That's the problem...if recruiting was better, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Who have you heard that is willing to terminate Stoops over not delivering with the signature program at OU for thirteen years?

The point is that recruiting is good, for our circumstances.
 
Who have you heard that is willing to terminate Stoops over not delivering with the signature program at OU for thirteen years?

The point is that recruiting is good, for our circumstances.

I really don't know what you're talking about. No one is suggesting anyone should get fired.
 
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