Recruiting 2017 and Beyond

[sybarite]

The expectations that year were very high! Especially after the Paris twins left. You know why? Because The chemistry was their. Anytime you have that, you are almost impossible to beat. DROB, Ny, Amanda , Olajuwon had unbelievable chemistry. They played together and for one another.

As for Wilson, what if everyone's issue with her? Can she just not be a great player without all the negative feedback? If she were Dungee or any other OU commit Syb would of had a full 10 page rant on why we should not scold her.
Wilson is a great player And the best in the state! It's my opinion! As for recruiting goes, I bet you all didn't know she had an offer from Notre Dame now did you? Does that make her any greater or less? Let the judgements begin...

I guess that you don't remember that I had indicated that I was less impressed than everyone else by Wilson after watching her against Choctaw and Broken Arrow in the state tournament. You may not have noticed, but I am not the only one who questions what we saw. No matter how highly some of you rate her, we had questions long before she was or was not recruited by OU. Notre Dame? Are you sure? At least a few of us question whether she can score if she can't get to the middle, and she is not that good of a ball-handler. One of your national scouts that have these (Hoopgurlz or Prospect Nation) did indicate that she had to develop an outside game.

It seems that some of you want to compare men's and women's basketball until the comparisons don't favor your position. Then, suddenly, there is a difference.

Our expectations were high? We lost two Paris sisters. We had no idea that we had a good replacement at post, and at midseason, we were still debating whether it should be Abi or Joanna. Abi didn't really come through until later in the year. at midseason, I don't remember many who were that high on our chances.

 

[sybarite]

I agree with you but the life we live today is about what have you done for me lately. I'm a Dallas cowboys fan and if you want to talk history......there is only one team in the nfl that has more super bowl trophies, but at the end of the day we haven't won since the early 90's.

As of today OU is being out recruited by Baylor and Texas......you can almost make an argument that TCU had a better 2016 class, let's not forget that Kansas (jessica Washington and McKenzie Calvert) has a brand new staff. The bottom line is this, you can't ever get relaxed and you can never settle.

I don't think SoonerNorm is saying Wilson is the best to ever come out of Oklahoma, but that she is the best kid for 2016. I personally think she's the best for 2015, 2016, and 2017 that Oklahoma as a state has to offer.

What have you done for me lately? Aren't we taking that a bit to an extreme to make a point? When was the last Cowboy champion? Wasn't it somewhat due to the fact that they had done some things to build a program that their owner had a part in making impossible to do again? Are they likely to rebuild soon? But, have they won since Sherri took over the OU program? Have the OU men won since Sherri took over the program. The last men's final four was the same year as Sherri's first. Has the OU football team won a title since Sherri was in the Final Four the first time?

Have the Texas women been to the Final Four since Sherri was in 2002? Why are they even in the discussion? They have been the team on the rise since they hired GiGi. They rose so quickly that they finished 9-9 in the Big Twelve last year. Shouldn't they have to get to the Elite Eight or something before they are said to be better than Sherri? Why doesn't Johnny-come-lately apply to Texas?

Baylor. I won't even discuss this situation. Let's just say that I am pleased that we have UConn and ND as examples rather than Kim and Baylor.

 

[SOONERGRAD]

I guess that you don't remember that I had indicated that I was less impressed than everyone else by Wilson after watching her against Choctaw and Broken Arrow in the state tournament. You may not have noticed, but I am not the only one who questions what we saw. No matter how highly some of you rate her, we had questions long before she was or was not recruited by OU. Notre Dame? Are you sure? At least a few of us question whether she can score if she can't get to the middle, and she is not that good of a ball-handler. One of your national scouts that have these (Hoopgurlz or Prospect Nation) did indicate that she had to develop an outside game.

It seems that some of you want to compare men's and women's basketball until the comparisons don't favor your position. Then, suddenly, there is a difference.

Our expectations were high? We lost two Paris sisters. We had no idea that we had a good replacement at post, and at midseason, we were still debating whether it should be Abi or Joanna. Abi didn't really come through until later in the year. at midseason, I don't remember many who were that high on our chances.

I guess you have to be a sooner commit for you to like a recruit. It's ok to like someone else, nothing will happen I promise. It's funny how you are not impressed by watching 2 games last year, meanwhile you criticize Skilled for not being impressed with Mulkey or Dungee and he has seen them both multiple times in person. You can have it both ways. And yes I'm 100% sure about Notre Dame. Jessica Washington had an offer from them back in 2013 as well. Do your homework before making assumptions about a player.

Does that surprise you? Instead of looking for every flaw in someone other than a sooner recruits game, how bout just giving the credit when it's due. I'm not saying you have to like her game but come on now, she's obviously a big time player.

Your observations were made over a year ago, she started pouring in these big time offers over the summer, anyone with basketball knowledge would indicate that she's obviously been working on her game. Maybe the part of her game where people like you criticized it...

 

[sybarite]

I guess you have to be a sooner commit for you to like a recruit. It's ok to like someone else, nothing will happen I promise. It's funny how you are not impressed by watching 2 games last year, meanwhile you criticize Skilled for not being impressed with Mulkey or Dungee and he has seen them both multiple times in person. You can have it both ways. And yes I'm 100% sure about Notre Dame.

Does that surprise you? Instead of looking for every flaw in someone other than a sooner recruits game, how bout just giving the credit when it's due. I'm not saying you have to like her game but come on now, she's obviously a big time player.

Your observations were made over a year ago, she started pouring in these big time offers over the summer, anyone with basketball knowledge would indicate that she's obviously been working on her game. Maybe the part of her game where people like you criticized it...

You are having a difficult time getting the picture. My thoughts on Wilson were formed before she had anything to do with OU.

My points on skilledserv were due to the fact that he began by saying some things that simply were not true, thereby discrediting his report and evaluation. Nancy does not sit at the three point line. As NorthCarolinaSooner noted, his evaluation was not that of a scout, but a disgruntled fan. He mentioned that the fans in the crowd were unhappy with Nancy sitting at the three point line.

 

[SOONERGRAD]

You are having a difficult time getting the picture. My thoughts on Wilson were formed before she had anything to do with OU.

My points on skilledserv were due to the fact that he began by saying some things that simply were not true, thereby discrediting his report and evaluation. Nancy does not sit at the three point line. As NorthCarolinaSooner noted, his evaluation was not that of a scout, but a disgruntled fan. He mentioned that the fans in the crowd were unhappy with Nancy sitting at the three point line.

Lol! Anything to do with OU how?
OU offered Wilson back in middle school.
It's just obvious you criticize recruits other than the ones committed or being recruited by OU. If Wilson were to commit to OU I bet your feelings of her would suddenly change.

 

[sybarite]

Lol! Anything to do with OU how?
OU offered Wilson back in middle school.
It's just obvious you criticize recruits other than the ones committed or being recruited by OU. If Wilson were to commit to OU I bet your feelings of her would suddenly change.

Well, you have accepted a "political" position. But, your are absolutely wrong. In fact, I made my position on her known to others, some on this board, some time ago. I did not know OU's position on her. Frankly, I don't believe most of the reports that someone knows where these kids are going. Indeed, OU is said to be recruiting a prospect that I have questions about. Based on what I've seen, I hope OU goes into a different direction. But, I do trust Sherri's judgement.

If you want to make it about me, that's fine. If you don't have the perspective to credit Sherri with competence and intensity, that discredits you---not Sherri. Regardless of all of the posts that Sherri doesn't do this, or Sherri is being passed by Jane Doe, Sherri IS the only expert in this room that is in the Hall of Fame.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Recruiting is a complicated enterprise for a number of reasons:

1. Requires lots of time and energy.

2. Requires coaches to overlook "arrogant and often illegal" requests by club coaches and their friends.

3. Requires coaches to ignore warning signs about behaviors and "lifestyles" to recruit certain big name players.

4. Requires coaches to offer illegal inducements to land certain players.

Having spent time in this arena, I can tell you lots goes on that does not get in the public view. Don't be fooled by it. And don't fall for the easy line about why certain players end up at certain schools.

 

[skilledserv]

I guess that you don't remember that I had indicated that I was less impressed than everyone else by Wilson after watching her against Choctaw and Broken Arrow in the state tournament. You may not have noticed, but I am not the only one who questions what we saw. No matter how highly some of you rate her, we had questions long before she was or was not recruited by OU. Notre Dame? Are you sure? At least a few of us question whether she can score if she can't get to the middle, and she is not that good of a ball-handler. One of your national scouts that have these (Hoopgurlz or Prospect Nation) did indicate that she had to develop an outside game.

It seems that some of you want to compare men's and women's basketball until the comparisons don't favor your position. Then, suddenly, there is a difference.

Our expectations were high? We lost two Paris sisters. We had no idea that we had a good replacement at post, and at midseason, we were still debating whether it should be Abi or Joanna. Abi didn't really come through until later in the year. at midseason, I don't remember many who were that high on our chances.

Your rant on Wilson is way off. If you feel she can't dribble or shoot......just wait till you see Dungee.

Wilson had offers from top 25 schools and yes notre dame came in at the end. Just curious, who won the Gatorade player of the year last year?

 

[sybarite]

Your rant on Wilson is way off. If you feel she can't dribble or shoot......just wait till you see Dungee.

Wilson had offers from top 25 schools and yes notre dame came in at the end. Just curious, who won the Gatorade player of the year last year?

If you haven't noticed, I'm not impressed by such things as Gatorade POY. I use my own judgement, and I was not impressed by her dribbling or her outside shot. I'm not sure that she can make the transition. She has to show me. The only thing that I did like is that she is a very hard worker. It does entertain me that she has such a following.

Did you pay any attention to the fact that someone else said he wasn't impressed with her?

I've seen Dungee in parts of three or four games. I don't know that she will be a star. But, she has the shot, and, frankly, she is as effective at driving as Wilson, although perhaps not as relentless about getting her rebound.

Give it a rest. Wilson has to prove herself after I saw that she was not effective when the other team didn't let her get her own shot until she scored.

 

[skilledserv]

What have you done for me lately? Aren't we taking that a bit to an extreme to make a point? When was the last Cowboy champion? Wasn't it somewhat due to the fact that they had done some things to build a program that their owner had a part in making impossible to do again? Are they likely to rebuild soon? But, have they won since Sherri took over the OU program? Have the OU men won since Sherri took over the program. The last men's final four was the same year as Sherri's first. Has the OU football team won a title since Sherri was in the Final Four the first time?

Have the Texas women been to the Final Four since Sherri was in 2002? Why are they even in the discussion? They have been the team on the rise since they hired GiGi. They rose so quickly that they finished 9-9 in the Big Twelve last year. Shouldn't they have to get to the Elite Eight or something before they are said to be better than Sherri? Why doesn't Johnny-come-lately apply to Texas?

Baylor. I won't even discuss this situation. Let's just say that I am pleased that we have UConn and ND as examples rather than Kim and Baylor.

So Karen has been there 3 years now. Went from not making the tournament to the sweet 16. I think that should count for something. If it's not OU its not right and stop throwing everyone else's name in to your rants to make yourself right. Nancy at this time shoots to much from the outside for muy liking. So yes she does hang out on the perimeter a little to much for a 6'9" kid

 

[sybarite]

So Karen has been there 3 years now. Went from not making the tournament to the sweet 16. I think that should count for something. If it's not OU its not right and stop throwing everyone else's name in to your rants to make yourself right. Nancy at this time shoots to much from the outside for muy liking. So yes she does hang out on the perimeter a little to much for a 6'9" kid

You don't like it when someone disagrees with your "expertise." Do you?

Did Aston inherit a bare cupboard? Wasn't GiGi the next coming as well? Weren't there players at Texas that were to lead them to the promised land? Let's let her prove herself before we annoint her.

Nobody asked you to come to our board to insult Nancy and Dungee. Or, did someone? I have yet to go to the Baylor or Texas board to insult them. Frankly, unlike here, I think I would be banned if I did. This board seems to tolerate outsiders who criticize OU, at least on the women's board.

 

[SOONERGRAD]

So Karen has been there 3 years now. Went from not making the tournament to the sweet 16. I think that should count for something. If it's not OU its not right and stop throwing everyone else's name in to your rants to make yourself right. Nancy at this time shoots to much from the outside for muy liking. So yes she does hang out on the perimeter a little to much for a 6'9" kid

Syb is team OU Commits all the way so don't even waste your time explaining. He is entitled to his own opinion no matter how bizarre they might be.

 

[sybarite]

Syb is team OU Commits all the way so don't even waste your time explaining. He is entitled to his own opinion no matter how bizarre they might be.

And, on a board that supports OU women's basketball, this is a bad thing?

 

[skilledserv]

You don't like it when someone disagrees with your "expertise." Do you?

Did Aston inherit a bare cupboard? Wasn't GiGi the next coming as well? Weren't there players at Texas that were to lead them to the promised land? Let's let her prove herself before we annoint her.

Nobody asked you to come to our board to insult Nancy and Dungee. Or, did someone? I have yet to go to the Baylor or Texas board to insult them. Frankly, unlike here, I think I would be banned if I did. This board seems to tolerate outsiders who criticize OU, at least on the women's board.

Do you pay attention to anything other than OU? Do you go back and read your post? What are you talking about she inherited that team? Karen recruited the players that are getting the bulk of the minutes. If you said something about her recruiting is great but let's see if she can coach the talent.....i would agree with you but you doubting her recruiting is crazy.

What i will say it's this.... That lady might be one of the smartest recruiters in the big 12. The people she put around her is second to none. That's how she was able to build Texas so fast and that's how she got simms and griner to Baylor.

 

[sybarite]

Do you pay attention to anything other than OU? Do you go back and read your post? What are you talking about she inherited that team? Karen recruited the players that are getting the bulk of the minutes. If you said something about her recruiting is great but let's see if she can coach the talent.....i would agree with you but you doubting her recruiting is crazy.

What i will say it's this.... That lady might be one of the smartest recruiters in the big 12. The people she put around her is second to none. That's how she was able to build Texas so fast and that's how she got simms and griner to Baylor.

I'm sure that they will appreciate your expertise on the Texas boards.

 

[skilledserv]

I'm sure that they will appreciate your expertise on the Texas boards.

They actually do....so does boneyard and Baylor board. It's fun to talk to honest and real basketball fans. Also i get to chuckle at you and you only. No other board has anyone like you. Lol

 

[sybarite]

They actually do....so does boneyard and Baylor board. It's fun to talk to honest and real basketball fans. Also i get to chuckle at you and you only. No other board has anyone like you. Lol

You can be assured that I will not be over at the Texas or Baylor boards criticizing them.

 

[j2d2]

Both of you....This is tiresome.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Do you go back and read your post? What are you talking about?

That lady might be one of the smartest recruiters in the big 12. The people she put around her is second to none. That's how she was able to build Texas so fast and that's how she got simms and griner to Baylor.

Well, I like Karen, but we don't actually know yet if those recruits are as good as advertised or not. Last year they struggled (even needed some home cooked up officiating in at least one game) to break even at 9 - 9 in the Big-12.

And as to "that's how she got simms and griner to Baylor", the NCAA said they did some (or maybe all) of it by cheating. I admit I believe it was mostly Kim, but that is just an assumption since we don't actually know what else may have gone on.

But let's drop all this arguing. Some of us like taking a positive approach to OU's team, while some prefer to be more negative about OU and more positive about other schools. It would help if we at least agree to post respectful things about the team this board is dedicated to following - at least as long as they are in the top 2 or 3 in the conference.

If someone wants to support a team that wins the National Championship every year, convert to a UCONN supporter. As for me, I will continue to support OU.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Well, I like Karen, but we don't actually know yet if those recruits are as good as advertised or not. Last year they struggled (even needed some home cooked up officiating in at least one game) to break even at 9 - 9 in the Big-12.

And as to "that's how she got simms and griner to Baylor", the NCAA said they did some (or maybe all) of it by cheating. I admit I believe it was mostly Kim, but that is just an assumption since we don't actually know what else may have gone on.

But let's drop all this arguing. Some of us like taking a positive approach to OU's team, while some prefer to be more negative about OU and more positive about other schools. It would help if we at least agree to post respectful things about the team this board is dedicated to following - at least as long as they are in the top 2 or 3 in the conference.

If someone wants to support a team that wins the National Championship every year, convert to a UCONN supporter. As for me, I will continue to support OU.

I think just about everyone here wants OU to win conference championships and get back to final fours. Fans are seeing those expectations drifting further away. The same happened with the football team. Fans were NOT happy. Stoops made some tough decisions and replaced most of his staff and this year has the team back on track. Fans here do not like watching Baylor and Texas recruiting like crazy knowing that does not bode well for our future. Some are okay with our rivals pulling ahead of us but most of us are not okay with that at all.