Regarding this disdain for coach's "loose" style

[MNsooner]

It's a style that takes advantage of players who are experienced enough to know what to do and players who are creative. It's why last year with skilled creators and experience it looks amazing, but this year with freshman and sophomores it looks less good. Personally I think it's fun to watch and it has its advantages. I also enjoyed slower more rigid play, like the in the Sampson era.

 

[BCSooners]

I just want him to run some sets/plays. Instead of the same tired weave that every other team knows we run, and that doesn't allow THIS set of players to get good shots in the half court.

It isn't going to stunt their growth. If anything, if they are ready to play more open next year, they'd have this in their back pocket to run in special situations.

KU plays a pretty wide open offense. They ran a TON of set plays against us last night. Just about every one of those lobs dunks were off "sets". If KU can do it, we should be too.

They run options out of thier offense. The only problem is that it takes a lot of time to get acclimated with it and have everyone on the same page. It won't happen in a year when everyone but Lattin & James didn't get to work with it in game action. KU ran the same weave action about 15-20 times last night. Only they have guys that know the system better & one of the lobs was out of a timeout where Self excels at. We had an oppurtunity to throw one off the weave action (I think to McNeace) but the ball handler didn't see it.

You can run a ton of set plays but they won't consistently work so you have to know what to do when a play breaks down, unlike KState who ran a ton of sets but when they didn't work had to jack up a terrible shot late in the shot clock. There are arguments to be made both ways, but I like that Kruger is teaching them how to play openly then to micromanage them when they are mostly frosh/soph.

 

[Soonerinkc]

I just want him to run some sets/plays. Instead of the same tired weave that every other team knows we run, and that doesn't allow THIS set of players to get good shots in the half court.

It isn't going to stunt their growth. If anything, if they are ready to play more open next year, they'd have this in their back pocket to run in special situations.

KU plays a pretty wide open offense. They ran a TON of set plays against us last night. Just about every one of those lobs dunks were off "sets". If KU can do it, we should be too.

exactly...along with some solid PICKS on the weave...we just dribble hand off.

I generally like his style....the lack of very few called plays...just a few here and there... and the HORRIBLE in bounds possessions when we are pressed are frustrating.

I'm sorry, but yes he makes a hell of living coaching, has done it for many years successfully but he's also had failures, we all do.

Basketball isn't rocket science I'd bet that if most of us on here had the same time or opportunity could coach as well. If you don't think that then you're in a fixed mindset. It's about personality and style...that is his maybe some folks see things different.

just sayin

 

[opsooner]

We are playing a lot better than earlier in the year. We just lack the toughness in my opinion. A lot of people were on Buford last night but I saw no one on the court who demanded the ball (which is what you need in those situations).

As far as Lon's style I don't have any significant issues. I think he sticks with it and waits for guys to grow into it which could help us for next year but it hurt us this year.


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[MsProudSooner]

All offensive styles look good if the shots go down.

 

[coolm]

Our shot selection is terrible. Anybody that thinks otherwise either doesn't know the game, or is kidding themselves.

well, believe what you will. But suffice it to say that I know and have known many that know more than either of us and they would side with me. and do for that matter. opinions vary.

 

[Sooner04]

I don't think our shot selection is very good either, but in a different way. I think we pass up too many open shots early in the clock and settle for contested ones later.

 

[sdcloud9]

I agree, the shot selection looks bad at times, especially really early in the possession when someone takes a quick one or at the end of the clock when it's desperation.

As Young is able to penetrate and make things happen, the shot selection will get better.

Not saying Young is Magic Johnson but Shepherd is an east-west point guard and DSM is quick enough but seems to go without purpose (or else the others aren't moving to open spots.)

 

[BCSooners]

exactly...along with some solid PICKS on the weave...we just dribble hand off.

I generally like his style....the lack of very few called plays...just a few here and there... and the HORRIBLE in bounds possessions when we are pressed are frustrating.

I'm sorry, but yes he makes a hell of living coaching, has done it for many years successfully but he's also had failures, we all do.

Basketball isn't rocket science I'd bet that if most of us on here had the same time or opportunity could coach as well. If you don't think that then you're in a fixed mindset. It's about personality and style...that is his maybe some folks see things different.

just sayin

You really think most people on here could be a college coach? Or coach as in Y league?

 

[Soonerinkc]

You really think most people on here could be a college coach? Or coach as in Y league?

well, I guess "most" is the issue? My point is/was basketball isn't that difficult. Just like any craft if you dedicated as much time as Kruger has you could successful as well. Maybe not 600 wins, but I guess I don't see being critical of a coach's style, product, etc as a big issue....the OP.

He doesn't walk on water...is he good yes, and some of that is he was a great athlete, but again after being in the business 40 yrs I'd expect someone to be pretty good at whatever their trade was. So yes, I think "most" folks (I guess I see most as fairly knowledgable of the game since they post here on a reg basis) could be fairly successful after 40 years of coaching.

Just my 2 cents.

Not bashing ya, but have you coached? Coaching is 90% WHO ya know to get started..even in HS...heck Middle school.

 

[coolm]

When I see Coach Haskins and my dad again some day I will tell them WT doesn't think they know anything about the game. My dad would just giggle a hillbilly laugh, Haskins would call him an idiot. Those kids are taking the shots in rhythm, normally feet squared, from the spots they are comfortable. That is good shot selection. Altering the timing for game situations (running clock and working the ball around more) is an experience issue. I will agree about OOB plays, but not the rest. Coach is doing it in a logical manner. If you look at the shot charts it is almost always from one of 3-4 spots on the floor save the drives. Almost always in rhythm - coach does a really good job there.

 

[WTSooner]

When I see Coach Haskins and my dad again some day I will tell them WT doesn't think they know anything about the game.

Where did I say anything about your dad or Coach Haskins? I'm talking about THIS team. Neither of those folks, I'm assuming, have been around to see THIS team play. Quit being a drama queen.

 

[WTSooner]

Anybody know where you find a shot chart for college games? Might be the easiest way to prove cool wrong, since he brought it up.

Doolittle takes what, IMO, is the worst shot in the game. Semi-contested two point jumpers from a step inside the three point line. Does it every game. That is a terrible shot.

And in general, the team takes the first semi-open jumper they get. That is not good shot selection when the entire team is doing it. One or two of your best players? Sure. But the entire team? Selfishness.

 

[coolm]

Quit being a drama queen.

MY drama? you're the one who suggested "anyone who doesnt agree with you doesn't know the game". Pretty sure the opening drama was your own.

I encourage you to get out the shot charts and look. I agreed about driving from the elbow only to take an 18 footer. Other than that I completely disagree with you. They take those shots from 3-4 spots on the floor and they take them in good rhythm. Pull the charts all you want. I watched every single shot taken during a Sooner game this year. Their shot selection is very good.

 

[SoonerBred]

I like Lon as a coach but finishing the game with KU going on a 31-9 run is unacceptable and I am sure Lon would say the same. We could have won without Trae Young last night but went into our shell the last 8 minutes as the pressure was amped up.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Anybody know where you find a shot chart for college games? Might be the easiest way to prove cool wrong, since he brought it up.

Doolittle takes what, IMO, is the worst shot in the game. Semi-contested two point jumpers from a step inside the three point line. Does it every game. That is a terrible shot.

And in general, the team takes the first semi-open jumper they get. That is not good shot selection when the entire team is doing it. One or two of your best players? Sure. But the entire team? Selfishness.

This is from ESPN

 

[chuckb]

Anybody know where you find a shot chart for college games? Might be the easiest way to prove cool wrong, since he brought it up.

Doolittle takes what, IMO, is the worst shot in the game. Semi-contested two point jumpers from a step inside the three point line. Does it every game. That is a terrible shot.

And in general, the team takes the first semi-open jumper they get. That is not good shot selection when the entire team is doing it. One or two of your best players? Sure. But the entire team? Selfishness.

You had a chance at a convincing argument when you mentioned this team takes a lot of bad shots. They do. But your argument went off track and ultimately became unhinged when you called the players "selfish." It's preposterous. The bad shots stem from youth, inexperience, and a lot of confidence from those young players. That confidence is what makes them good now and it's what will make them great down the road. Taking good shots is a learning experience and they'll get better with experience.

I disagreed when you suggested that the solution was for Kruger to take the ball out of their hands and run more plays. But it's absurd to call the players selfish for feeling confident in their ability to make plays. I'm glad this team has players who are confident in their ability to make plays and I'm glad that Trae Young, another guy with similar confidence, will be on the team with them next year.

 

[Big Old Booger]

You had a chance at a convincing argument when you mentioned this team takes a lot of bad shots. They do. But your argument went off track and ultimately became unhinged when you called the players "selfish." It's preposterous. The bad shots stem from youth, inexperience, and a lot of confidence from those young players. That confidence is what makes them good now and it's what will make them great down the road. Taking good shots is a learning experience and they'll get better with experience.

I disagreed when you suggested that the solution was for Kruger to take the ball out of their hands and run more plays. But it's absurd to call the players selfish for feeling confident in their ability to make plays. I'm glad this team has players who are confident in their ability to make plays and I'm glad that Trae Young, another guy with similar confidence, will be on the team with them next year.

This.

 

[BCSooners]

well, I guess "most" is the issue? My point is/was basketball isn't that difficult. Just like any craft if you dedicated as much time as Kruger has you could successful as well. Maybe not 600 wins, but I guess I don't see being critical of a coach's style, product, etc as a big issue....the OP.

He doesn't walk on water...is he good yes, and some of that is he was a great athlete, but again after being in the business 40 yrs I'd expect someone to be pretty good at whatever their trade was. So yes, I think "most" folks (I guess I see most as fairly knowledgable of the game since they post here on a reg basis) could be fairly successful after 40 years of coaching.

Just my 2 cents.

Not bashing ya, but have you coached? Coaching is 90% WHO ya know to get started..even in HS...heck Middle school.

Yes I coach in HS.

I'm not saying people on here couldn't coach middle school or HS, some might even have coached higher. But to say playing experience, time, & who you know is the main difference in coaching between Kruger & the rest of us is a huge disservice to him. Any person can look up plays and know the game if you played it or watched it enough. But can you teach it? Relate to the players? Have the players play hard and buy in? Deal with the devils (HS-parents, college-recruiting).

 

[skyvue]

I would like to go on record as stating that I would be a terrible basketball coach.