Roster Next Year

[Boom Soon]

Obviously the new coach will need to reconstruct the roster in the offseason. I'm curious who you guys think will stay. Obviously, there are so many factors at play, but I would rather speculate about next year than think about the debacle of this season.

I think Miles and Forsythe are the two guys the new coach needs to re recruit first. I think there's a chance they both stay with the right amount of $$.

Next on the list is Atak. He may stay simply because he's redshirted and where the heck would he go?

I hope Cole sticks around. I think he could be a player someday. I think Moser has misused him this year. But I could see him dropping a level kinda like Cooper did.

I think Northweather should be processed out. He should go back to Missouri and play for MO State or Southeast MO State.

I think the two inured guys are probably out no matter what.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Obviously the new coach will need to reconstruct the roster in the offseason. I'm curious who you guys think will stay. Obviously, there are so many factors at play, but I would rather speculate about next year than think about the debacle of this season.

I think Miles and Forsythe are the two guys the new coach needs to re recruit first. I think there's a chance they both stay with the right amount of $$.

Next on the list is Atak. He may stay simply because he's redshirted and where the heck would he go?

I hope Cole sticks around. I think he could be a player someday. I think Moser has misused him this year. But I could see him dropping a level kinda like Cooper did.

I think Northweather should be processed out. He should go back to Missouri and play for MO State or Southeast MO State.

I think the two inured guys are probably out no matter what.

Idk that I care if anyone stays but forsyth. A lot of bad habits in any player that pm "coaches". Id take any bench players that don't play if they are really cheap (except keiyta)

Very interested in the injured guys but not if they think they need more money cuz they didn't even play this year.. if anything, they should give us a discount (and i don't believe that they will have a market at all - but I thought i read jadon Jones entered the portal, no?).

 

[hoopsaustin]

Idk that I care if anyone stays but forsyth. A lot of bad habits in any player that pm "coaches". Id take any bench players that don't play if they are really cheap (except keiyta)

Very interested in the injured guys but not if they think they need more money cuz they didn't even play this year.. if anything, they should give us a discount (and i don't believe that they will have a market at all - but I thought i read jadon Jones entered the portal, no?).

Throw 40-50k at this dude from nwosu and/or just give him keiyta Keiyta's scholly. 26.6/game on good shooting on a bad team.

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[CoachTalk]

Price of poker is going up. spoke to an asst coach from a d1 school Thursday. Had a kid on a visit... 2 handlers 3 coaches said player and host athlete were finished with dinner. Handler goes... we all know this visit went great, but lets cut to it... What's the dollar figure?

Very few guys care about the school. it's about the money.

BG choose UK because of money. never visited.
Sean as well.

Sure maybe you get hometown guy to take a little less but 3.7 for a team of Revenue money from the NCAA then whatever your collective will give...

 

[SoonerDutch]

lol, 40-50k for any impact guys seems laughable. Oh well, believe what you want to believe.

 

[StoopsBros]

Hypothetically, assuming Moser is not at OU (fired or leaves for another job)....


Keep but probably not happening:

• Jeremiah Fears - stay in college or go pro?....probably pro even if I think it's the wrong decision (to each their own, not arguing it again lol). Regardless, the next coach should at least have a conversation with him. He won't likely end up staying at OU but you kind of have to try, right?
• Jadon Jones - I think his (on-court) presence alone would have been enough to win an extra game or two and save Moser's job/make the tourney. I doubt he'll stay either way now and has already been placed on Trilly Donovan's portal watch list.

Keep....could/should happen:

• Dayton Forsythe - he'll command some more NIL now but he's a must keep. Foundational piece....both playing-wise (his talent) and for fans/attendance. It's his team, in a way.
• Kai Rogers - I love his potential. The next coach needs to try hard to keep him.

Impartial:

• Duke Miles - he's been super inconsistent and could easily be replaced. If he stays, cool. If he leaves, cool. He's not as good as I thought he'd be....became even more prevalent as the competition got harder (SEC play).
• Alec Blair - I think he's overrated as a basketball player and could struggle in the SEC....especially right away.
• Andreas Holst - a little too soft/Luke Northweather-esque. Needs a lot of development.
• Jeff Nwankwo - I expect him to stay at OU and that's okay. We'll see if he can bounce back and be a good player. If he leaves though, I won't care.

On both Holst and/or Blair, I think OU would be better off letting them find new programs, while portal-ing more talented players, but if one or both is at OU next season, that's okay too, I guess. I expect Blair to be at OU because of baseball. Holst is a wild card. It depends on the next coach. A good coach probably lets him walk/develop at a mid major.

Let walk:

• Jacolb Cole - needs to drop a level
• Luke Northweather - needs to drop a level
• Yaya Keita - needs to go pro in something other than sports
• Kuol Atak - too raw and may not ever be SEC quality
• Mo Wague - foul machine...a new coach should be able to find a better big man (or two+).

Out of eligibility:

• Kobe Elvis - Thankfully! OU beat out College of Charleston for a kid Dayton didn't want to keep. It's like some of us knew he was a bad take...imagine that.
• Brycen Goodine - an elite shooter...46%. Sadly, he didn't offer much more than that, though. I expected a little more defensively, for sure. Not all-SEC level...just more. I thought he was P4/5 worthy and I think that's still right. He could have helped a lot of good teams off the bench. One trick pony.
• Jalon Moore - using hindsight, he should have portal-ed out of OU, and found a better program like Milos and/or Otega. I legit feel bad for him. Tough kid, you could tell he cared most of the time....Unfortunately, he's the prominent example of going down with the Moser ship. I hope he kills it overseas....his athleticism should earn him a nice decade long (or so) international career.
• Glenn Taylor Jr - meh...okay at times, non-existent at other times. Truly, and easily, replaceable.
• Sam Godwin - I can't hate on him too much. He should have been a career backup big at OU and I think that would have been a good spot for him....but alas, his coach couldn't recruit good bigs so Sam was forced to fight above his weight class (start 2 straight years in tough leagues).

 

[WichitaSooner]

Hypothetically, assuming Moser is not at OU (fired or leaves for another job)....


Keep but probably not happening:

• Jeremiah Fears - stay in college or go pro?....probably pro even if I think it's the wrong decision (to each their own, not arguing it again lol). Regardless, the next coach should at least have a conversation with him. He won't likely end up staying at OU but you kind of have to try, right?
• Jadon Jones - I think his (on-court) presence alone would have been enough to win an extra game or two and save Moser's job/make the tourney. I doubt he'll stay either way now and has already been placed on Trilly Donovan's portal watch list.

Keep....could/should happen:

• Dayton Forsythe - he'll command some more NIL now but he's a must keep. Foundational piece....both playing-wise (his talent) and for fans/attendance. It's his team, in a way.
• Kai Rogers - I love his potential. The next coach needs to try hard to keep him.

Impartial:

• Duke Miles - he's been super inconsistent and could easily be replaced. If he stays, cool. If he leaves, cool. He's not as good as I thought he'd be....became even more prevalent as the competition got harder (SEC play).
• Alec Blair - I think he's overrated as a basketball player and could struggle in the SEC....especially right away.
• Andreas Holst - a little too soft/Luke Northweather-esque. Needs a lot of development.
• Jeff Nwankwo - I expect him to stay at OU and that's okay. We'll see if he can bounce back and be a good player. If he leaves though, I won't care.

On both Holst and/or Blair, I think OU would be better off letting them find new programs, while portal-ing more talented players, but if one or both is at OU next season, that's okay too, I guess. I expect Blair to be at OU because of baseball. Holst is a wild card. It depends on the next coach. A good coach probably lets him walk/develop at a mid major.

Let walk:

• Jacolb Cole - needs to drop a level
• Luke Northweather - needs to drop a level
• Yaya Keita - needs to go pro in something other than sports
• Kuol Atak - too raw and may not ever be SEC quality
• Mo Wague - foul machine...a new coach should be able to find a better big man (or two+).

Out of eligibility:

• Kobe Elvis - Thankfully! OU beat out College of Charleston for a kid Dayton didn't want to keep. It's like some of us knew he was a bad take...imagine that.
• Brycen Goodine - an elite shooter...46%. Sadly, he didn't offer much more than that, though. I expected a little more defensively, for sure. Not all-SEC level...just more. I thought he was P4/5 worthy and I think that's still right. He could have helped a lot of good teams off the bench. One trick pony.
• Jalon Moore - using hindsight, he should have portal-ed out of OU, and found a better program like Milos and/or Otega. I legit feel bad for him. Tough kid, you could tell he cared most of the time....Unfortunately, he's the prominent example of going down with the Moser ship. I hope he kills it overseas....his athleticism should earn him a nice decade long (or so) international career.
• Glenn Taylor Jr - meh...okay at times, non-existent at other times. Truly, and easily, replaceable.
• Sam Godwin - I can't hate on him too much. He should have been a career backup big at OU and I think that would have been a good spot for him....but alas, his coach couldn't recruit good bigs so Sam was forced to fight above his weight class (start 2 straight years in tough leagues).

Agree with almost all of this and laughed at the Yaya analysis.

I think the discussion of Blair and Holst is a good one. I’ve seen so many people again fall into the trap of thinking that we have a great class coming in (since people think Moser is a good high school recruiter), but I don’t think any national services have our class ranked in the top 25. And we know that Moser doesn’t develop guys who are raw prospects.

A few of us got absolutely bashed last summer when we raised concerns about the quality of the incoming transfers, but I think we have been proven right, and then some. In addition to all the other reasons to fire this bum, can you imagine having to watch him fill out our roster with another batch of mid major players to start the cycle all over again??

 

[hoopsaustin]

lol, 40-50k for any impact guys seems laughable. Oh well, believe what you want to believe.

D2.. he's already playing for free. He'd sell his soul to simply tell people he played D1 imo

 

[hoopsaustin]

Hypothetically, assuming Moser is not at OU (fired or leaves for another job)....


Keep but probably not happening:

• Jeremiah Fears - stay in college or go pro?....probably pro even if I think it's the wrong decision (to each their own, not arguing it again lol). Regardless, the next coach should at least have a conversation with him. He won't likely end up staying at OU but you kind of have to try, right?
• Jadon Jones - I think his (on-court) presence alone would have been enough to win an extra game or two and save Moser's job/make the tourney. I doubt he'll stay either way now and has already been placed on Trilly Donovan's portal watch list.

Keep....could/should happen:

• Dayton Forsythe - he'll command some more NIL now but he's a must keep. Foundational piece....both playing-wise (his talent) and for fans/attendance. It's his team, in a way.
• Kai Rogers - I love his potential. The next coach needs to try hard to keep him.

Impartial:

• Duke Miles - he's been super inconsistent and could easily be replaced. If he stays, cool. If he leaves, cool. He's not as good as I thought he'd be....became even more prevalent as the competition got harder (SEC play).
• Alec Blair - I think he's overrated as a basketball player and could struggle in the SEC....especially right away.
• Andreas Holst - a little too soft/Luke Northweather-esque. Needs a lot of development.
• Jeff Nwankwo - I expect him to stay at OU and that's okay. We'll see if he can bounce back and be a good player. If he leaves though, I won't care.

On both Holst and/or Blair, I think OU would be better off letting them find new programs, while portal-ing more talented players, but if one or both is at OU next season, that's okay too, I guess. I expect Blair to be at OU because of baseball. Holst is a wild card. It depends on the next coach. A good coach probably lets him walk/develop at a mid major.

Let walk:

• Jacolb Cole - needs to drop a level
• Luke Northweather - needs to drop a level
• Yaya Keita - needs to go pro in something other than sports
• Kuol Atak - too raw and may not ever be SEC quality
• Mo Wague - foul machine...a new coach should be able to find a better big man (or two+).

Out of eligibility:

• Kobe Elvis - Thankfully! OU beat out College of Charleston for a kid Dayton didn't want to keep. It's like some of us knew he was a bad take...imagine that.
• Brycen Goodine - an elite shooter...46%. Sadly, he didn't offer much more than that, though. I expected a little more defensively, for sure. Not all-SEC level...just more. I thought he was P4/5 worthy and I think that's still right. He could have helped a lot of good teams off the bench. One trick pony.
• Jalon Moore - using hindsight, he should have portal-ed out of OU, and found a better program like Milos and/or Otega. I legit feel bad for him. Tough kid, you could tell he cared most of the time....Unfortunately, he's the prominent example of going down with the Moser ship. I hope he kills it overseas....his athleticism should earn him a nice decade long (or so) international career.
• Glenn Taylor Jr - meh...okay at times, non-existent at other times. Truly, and easily, replaceable.
• Sam Godwin - I can't hate on him too much. He should have been a career backup big at OU and I think that would have been a good spot for him....but alas, his coach couldn't recruit good bigs so Sam was forced to fight above his weight class (start 2 straight years in tough leagues).

Great post. Id move nwanko to keep, unless asking for more money. Atak to keep, if cheap. Otherwise everything else is spot on.

I disagree about Moore tho too. I don't actually think he's that good. Or said another way, I think we are likely over paying for Moore as he is not a complete player and he's a tweener.. i know he gets points, but someone has to on this flawed roster and team. I think Moore was smart to stay bc any other better coached team and roster, he'd be just another guy (tho Moore would be coached better too in that scenario)

 

[bigfish]

Hypothetically, assuming Moser is not at OU (fired or leaves for another job)....


Keep but probably not happening:

• Jeremiah Fears - stay in college or go pro?....probably pro even if I think it's the wrong decision (to each their own, not arguing it again lol). Regardless, the next coach should at least have a conversation with him. He won't likely end up staying at OU but you kind of have to try, right?
• Jadon Jones - I think his (on-court) presence alone would have been enough to win an extra game or two and save Moser's job/make the tourney. I doubt he'll stay either way now and has already been placed on Trilly Donovan's portal watch list.

Keep....could/should happen:

• Dayton Forsythe - he'll command some more NIL now but he's a must keep. Foundational piece....both playing-wise (his talent) and for fans/attendance. It's his team, in a way.
• Kai Rogers - I love his potential. The next coach needs to try hard to keep him.

Impartial:

• Duke Miles - he's been super inconsistent and could easily be replaced. If he stays, cool. If he leaves, cool. He's not as good as I thought he'd be....became even more prevalent as the competition got harder (SEC play).
• Alec Blair - I think he's overrated as a basketball player and could struggle in the SEC....especially right away.
• Andreas Holst - a little too soft/Luke Northweather-esque. Needs a lot of development.
• Jeff Nwankwo - I expect him to stay at OU and that's okay. We'll see if he can bounce back and be a good player. If he leaves though, I won't care.

On both Holst and/or Blair, I think OU would be better off letting them find new programs, while portal-ing more talented players, but if one or both is at OU next season, that's okay too, I guess. I expect Blair to be at OU because of baseball. Holst is a wild card. It depends on the next coach. A good coach probably lets him walk/develop at a mid major.

Let walk:

• Jacolb Cole - needs to drop a level
• Luke Northweather - needs to drop a level
• Yaya Keita - needs to go pro in something other than sports
• Kuol Atak - too raw and may not ever be SEC quality
• Mo Wague - foul machine...a new coach should be able to find a better big man (or two+).

Out of eligibility:

• Kobe Elvis - Thankfully! OU beat out College of Charleston for a kid Dayton didn't want to keep. It's like some of us knew he was a bad take...imagine that.
• Brycen Goodine - an elite shooter...46%. Sadly, he didn't offer much more than that, though. I expected a little more defensively, for sure. Not all-SEC level...just more. I thought he was P4/5 worthy and I think that's still right. He could have helped a lot of good teams off the bench. One trick pony.
• Jalon Moore - using hindsight, he should have portal-ed out of OU, and found a better program like Milos and/or Otega. I legit feel bad for him. Tough kid, you could tell he cared most of the time....Unfortunately, he's the prominent example of going down with the Moser ship. I hope he kills it overseas....his athleticism should earn him a nice decade long (or so) international career.
• Glenn Taylor Jr - meh...okay at times, non-existent at other times. Truly, and easily, replaceable.
• Sam Godwin - I can't hate on him too much. He should have been a career backup big at OU and I think that would have been a good spot for him....but alas, his coach couldn't recruit good bigs so Sam was forced to fight above his weight class (start 2 straight years in tough leagues).

Just a minor correction, but Mo Wague is out of eligibility; has played at Harcum, West Virginia, Alabama, and OU.

It's crazy to think that whoever is coaching next year could have eleven or more players that didn't play at OU the previous year.

 

[StoopsBros]

Just a minor correction, but Mo Wague is out of eligibility; has played at Harcum, West Virginia, Alabama, and OU.

It's crazy to think that whoever is coaching next year could have eleven or more players that didn't play at OU the previous year.

He can use one more year if he wants to because Harcum is a juco (think Diego Pavia rule).

 

[WichitaSooner]

Just a minor correction, but Mo Wague is out of eligibility; has played at Harcum, West Virginia, Alabama, and OU.

It's crazy to think that whoever is coaching next year could have eleven or more players that didn't play at OU the previous year.

Crazy but not all that uncommon these days. Was watching Illinois/michigan today and heard the announcers mention how few returners both those teams had. No shock with Michigan since they had a coaching change, but Illinois didn’t and yet they only have a couple guys back from last year. The best teams and coaches manage to fit the new pieces together and keep winning.

 

[BoulderSooner]

He can use one more year if he wants to because Harcum is a juco (think Diego Pavia rule).

I would very much take Wague back (as a 3rd big) ..

 

[notaburner]

- I am with you all on keeping Wague as a third big, I think he would be serviceable in that role.

-From what I heard in preseason we need to keep Jeff N. He will be discounted due to his injury and if he can return to form he has HIGH upside. Not a hyperbole when I was told he was one of the best players on the team until he got hurt.

-Depending on the coaching situation I don't think Jadon to the portal is a forgone conclusion.

 

[The_Banker]

I would very much take Wague back (as a 3rd big) ..

I'd take Wague back as the backup big if it meant we went out and bought a top half of the SEC caliber starting big.

 

[hoopsaustin]

I would very much take Wague back (as a 3rd big) ..

At what price tho?

 

[WichitaSooner]

At what price tho?

He is so frustrating to watch because he has shown glimpses of what he can do and how he can help the team, but in four years, he hasn't figured out how not to foul. I can't kill CW too much on that front, since Oats and others haven't been able to get that fixed, either. It's just baffling that he can't get improve that issue -- it's not like he is unathletic and has to foul because he doesn't gave the foot speed or range to guard people.

 

[hoopsaustin]

He is so frustrating to watch because he has shown glimpses of what he can do and how he can help the team, but in four years, he hasn't figured out how not to foul. I can't kill CW too much on that front, since Oats and others haven't been able to get that fixed, either. It's just baffling that he can't get improve that issue -- it's not like he is unathletic and has to foul because he doesn't gave the foot speed or range to guard people.

He is just an awkward moving guy (the type of guy that moves like a girl for some reason. If you've played ball, you know what I'm talking about, like he has the girl center of gravity to fall forward instead of the general man falling backward), combined with the fact that he's not a high IQ player (which is weird bc hes a nice passer and even makes good reads).

I would not pay more than what we pay southweather/godwin, and if he already is above that price, tell him discount or move on imo. He has little value bc he doesn't play full games, or even close

 

[Moneyball]

Does anyone know what happened with Jadon? Was not coming back a “business decision” or could he really not get back?

 

[BoulderSooner]

Does anyone know what happened with Jadon? Was not coming back a “business decision” or could he really not get back?

If he could have made it back by mid december he would have come back ..

but he was mid jan or later at best and that would not have been smart for him

he has 1 year left to play in college ..