Rules Question

[perryj74]

I broadcast high school sports for a station out in Woodward and Tuesday night we had a call in the game I was covering that I hadn't seen before and I was curious what the correct call was.

As a team was inbounding the ball after a made basket the ball was kicked by a defender and hit the back of the backboard. On the ensuing inbound play the official informed the player he could run the baseline.

Was the official right to allow the baseline to be "ran" or should that have been a spot throw in?

 

[p230]

Good ol' Woodward. I am not for sure but if the defender kicked it without it ever being "in play" then I would think it was the right call. My thinking there is slapping it away with a hand is using a "legal" if you will part of you body. Feet not so much so. I am not an official though.

 

[campbest]

He is allowed to run, the violation doesn't negate the in-bounder's right to move the baseline. If the kick happened, say, near half-court for some weird reason, it would be a spot-throw on the sideline.

 

[BCSooners]

I believe it would be a spot throw in. You can only run after a made basket, but since the kicked ball happened they would be throwing it in after the kicked ball violation, not the made basket.

 

[CoachTalk]

He still should be able to run. regardless of the violation you cant take away the "running" the baseline.
That is the correct call.

 

[oketex]

Since the ball was never in play from the previous made shot, that's the key, the made shot, then the player would be allowed to run the baseline. Now if a play had in bound control and the ball was kicked out of bounds, then it would be "spot" in bound play. The officials were correct on that one. Always keep in mind that the ball must be "inbound".

 

[BCSooners]

He still should be able to run. regardless of the violation you cant take away the "running" the baseline.
That is the correct call.

I may be wrong on this particular incident, but if you inbound the ball to your team and the defender knocks it out of his/her hand and out of bounds on the baseline you wouldn't be able to run the baseline.

 

[p230]

I may be wrong on this particular incident, but if you inbound the ball to your team and the defender knocks it out of his/her hand and out of bounds on the baseline you wouldn't be able to run the baseline.

With a hand yes but not with a foot. It is a violation to kick the ball and that is probably what they were still allowed to run the base line. Plus in your example if it touches the hands then it is "in play".

 

[campbest]

I may be wrong on this particular incident, but if you inbound the ball to your team and the defender knocks it out of his/her hand and out of bounds on the baseline you wouldn't be able to run the baseline.

Knocking it with a hand isn't a violation...kicking intentionally is.

 

[CoachTalk]

Was it directly after the made bucket or was the inbounder trying to inbound and it got kicked?
if that makes sense

 

[perryj74]

The inbounder was trying to inbound the ball when it was kicked by the now defender.

I understand what is being said about because of the kicked ball violation the ability to run the baseline is still there but to play devil's advocate say there was a 5 second call or the inbound pass went out of bounds without touching anyone. The next inbounder doesn't have the option of running the baseline so the whole violation saving the ability to run the baseline only applies to kicked balls? Or say there was a defensive foul before the ball was inbounded if the inbounding team isn't in the bonus do you still have the ability to run the baseline?

 

[opsooner]

I agree with others and like the explanation from oketex.

There should have never been a clock start so they should still have allowed running the baseline. Others have said as well, that if they defender had hit the ball legally OOB (not kicked it) then the offensive player would not be allowed to run the baseline again. But in your case it should really be treated like the kick never happened because it was an illegal touch on an OOB play after a made basket - no play and no start of clock (if that applies).

 

[CoachTalk]

The inbounder was trying to inbound the ball when it was kicked by the now defender.

I understand what is being said about because of the kicked ball violation the ability to run the baseline is still there but to play devil's advocate say there was a 5 second call or the inbound pass went out of bounds without touching anyone. The next inbounder doesn't have the option of running the baseline so the whole violation saving the ability to run the baseline only applies to kicked balls? Or say there was a defensive foul before the ball was inbounded if the inbounding team isn't in the bonus do you still have the ability to run the baseline?

Should be a dead ball spot throw. the ball was "in play" but kicked. Dead ball

 

[perryj74]

Coach Talk that was exactly my take. We seem to be in the minority on this one. Does anyone have a NFHS basketball rule and/or case book or access to one?

 

[campbest]

Should be a dead ball spot throw. the ball was "in play" but kicked. Dead ball

Incorrect, you don't penalize the in-bounder based on a violation by the defender. Offense can still run the baseline.

Coach Talk that was exactly my take. We seem to be in the minority on this one. Does anyone have a NFHS basketball rule and/or case book or access to one?

7.5.7 SITUATION B:

Team A scores a field goal. B1 picks up the ball after the made basket, then proceeds out of bounds to start the throw-in process. B1 runs along the end line out of bounds while attempting to find an open teammate for the throw-in. Immediately after B1 releases the throw-in pass, (a) the ball is kicked by A2 near the end line; (b) the ball is kicked by A2 near the division line; or (c) the ball is deflected out of bounds across the end line off of A2.

RULING: In (a) and (b), A2 has violated by kicking the ball. In (a), Team B will be awarded a throw-in and retain the right to run the end line on the ensuing throw-in. In (b), Team B will put the ball in play at a designated spot nearest the violation, which is the division line. In (c), A2 legally contacted the ball and subsequently hit it out of bounds, ending the throw-in. Team B is awarded a designated spot throw-in on the end line.

 

[CoachTalk]

I could be wrong. I have a couple text out to some officials.

 

[CoachTalk]

I stand corrected. You can still run the baseline after a kicked ball. I learn something everyday!

 

[CoachTalk]

You can run the baseline because a kick is not a legal move. therefore it should penalize the offense or inbounding team.

 

[perryj74]

Campbest thank you!