Russian tanks, artillery, aircraft, etc being deployed in Syria

[thebigabd]

CNN Headlines Today:
Russia Launches New Syria Strikes

NBC News Main headline:
Hurricane gains power

ABC News:
Russia Targets in Syria Chosen in Cooperation with Assad Army

BBC News:
Russia Launches Fresh Syria Strikes

Reuters:
Assad, Iran, and Russia Ready Ground Attack in Syria

CBS News:
Russia accused of Bombing US-Armed rebels

FOX News:
Russian Strikes Target CIA Backed Rebels

I agree with you a lot of the time Boca, but it's pretty damn laughable that you are pretending like nobody cares about this. It is the main headline on pretty much every news site. I was flicking through CNN, NBC, CBS, FOX, etc last night and they were all talking about it. It's all over the news. It was the primary discussion and news story at the UN this week.

I can't tell if you just don't want to admit you are wrong, but I have never seen someone stick their guns when I go to every news site and every headline is about Russia, Syria, ISIS, etc. It's literally not even disputable.

 

[thebigabd]

Looks like Iran is bringing in large numbers of troops, under the command of the infamous General Qasem Soleimani. Hezbollah is sending in more troops to team up with the Syrian Army and the Iranians.

Russian air support... Iranian led ground operation.

The US-supported rebellion could be in trouble here. Very interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks.

Perhaps this is the "surprise the world" moment that the Iranians claimed would happen in Syria after Soleimani's trip to Moscow in July.

 

[bocabull]

Wait a minute, you said Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers in the war on ISIS.

Now it's revealed his airstrikes are not against ISIS but against US backed rebels in the civil war.

The reason it's news is because Putin is once again isolating himself from the civilized world. Has nothing to do with ISIS or the phony war on terror. Has to do with Putin challenging the international community which is going to cause him to be more isolated and sanctioned.

 

[thebigabd]

Wait a minute, you said Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers in the war on ISIS.

Now it's revealed his airstrikes are not against ISIS but against US backed rebels in the civil war.

The reason it's news is because Putin is once again isolating himself from the civilized world. Has nothing to do with ISIS or the phony war on terror. Has to do with Putin challenging the international community which is going to cause him to be more isolated and sanctioned.

That's what I said the other day... I will quote myself:

"Probably a bad day for this exercise, as Russia started military action today."
-thebigabd

Russia/Syria/Iran is the story. Syria IS a story.

 

[thebigabd]

Wait a minute, you said Putin was playing chess while Obama was playing checkers in the war on ISIS.

Now it's revealed his airstrikes are not against ISIS but against US backed rebels in the civil war.

The reason it's news is because Putin is once again isolating himself from the civilized world. Has nothing to do with ISIS or the phony war on terror. Has to do with Putin challenging the international community which is going to cause him to be more isolated and sanctioned.

We will see on Putin... This is somewhat unprecedented. Lots of options on the table here.

 

[bocabull]

The bottom line is simple. You have been misled into the bogus talking point that Putin is "winning" and outmaneuvering Obama and the US. You were misled into the bogus $500 million to train 60 fighters. We had no beef until you started offering up the laughable right wing anti Obama talking points.

Putin is desperate. He has been isolated and his economy is in tatters. Obama has trashed him. That's the truth. The entire world outside of Russia and Fox News knows this. Putins moves in Syria are similar to Bush running in 2004 on the "war on terror". He's done a terrible job so is appealing to nationalist military and fear to maintain his job.

 

[thebigabd]

You were misled into the bogus $500 million to train 60 fighters.

Sorry, 36 million for 60 fighters, who then turned over their equipment, changed sides, or ran off.

You have been misled into the bogus talking point that Putin is "winning" and outmaneuvering Obama and the US.

Well, it depends. It is the goal of the US for Assad to go, and the goal of the Russians for Assad to stay. If Assad doesn't go, then the Russians won that fight.

Now, I think your point (correct me if I am wrong) is that even if the Russians "win" or get their way in Syria/Iraq/Iran that they aren't really winning because the West will isolate them and continue to damage their economy and status in the world.

My point is that the Russians are doing this for a reason, and it COULD be for leverage in negotiating an end to sanctions and a favorable settlement in Ukraine and Syria. This may not happen, but I have to believe they have something positive in mind for their own country by doing this.

We had no beef until you started offering up the laughable right wing anti Obama talking points.

I have no beef with you now. I am discussing a world issue. Many times we agree, sometimes we don't. I never have beef with you though.

 

[bocabull]

Spending $36 million instead of $500 million shows good management. It's a fluid dynamic situation. You allocate resources where you are having success which has been airstrikes.

Assad is gone. It's just a matter of time. Putin is desperate. His list of allies is down to Iran and Syria. His leverage decreases with every move he makes. He's checkmating himself just like he did in Ukraine.

When I said beef I simply meant disagreement. The GOP has spent 7 years predicting failure for Obama. They have been wrong every single time. Failure was the war in Iraq. But their tiny brains see brazen aggressive reckless behavior like what W did in Iraq and Putin is doing in Ukraine and Syria as "leadership". So in their minds Putin is winning and Obama is weak. Meanwhile, our economy is doing great, our guys are not in harms way and Putin is isolated from the world just like W was.

Who is really playing chess thinking way ahead and who is making short term irrational decisions?

 

[thebigabd]

Assad is gone. It's just a matter of time. Putin is desperate. His list of allies is down to Iran and Syria. His leverage decreases with every move he makes. He's checkmating himself just like he did in Ukraine.

The Russians have to see something. Some opportunity. Why would they do this otherwise?

Spending $36 million instead of $500 million shows good management. It's a fluid dynamic situation. You allocate resources where you are having success which has been airstrikes.

Some would view it as waste of time and $36 million. Regardless, if the Russians/Iranians go after the Syrian rebels (not IS) it will fail unless the US and Gulf Allies are willing to really invest heavily in the rebellion.

The GOP has spent 7 years predicting failure for Obama.

He has had many policy victories that have changed the path of our country. It has been a significant presidency, for sure.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

He has had many policy victories

WHich ones?

 

[thebigabd]

WHich ones?

• Iran deal
• Healthcare
• Ending major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
• The economy has added nearly 7.9 million jobs, and the unemployment rate is now lower than the historical median.
• Business establishment start-ups have increased by 20 percent, and the number of job openings is the highest in more than 14 years.
• U.S. oil production is up 94 percent. Wind and solar power are up 252 percent. U.S. dependency on oil imports is down to the lowest point since the 1970s.
• U.S. oil production is up 94 percent. Wind and solar power are up 252 percent.
• Corporate profits have soared under Obama, smashing all previous records.
• Profits are now running 182 percent higher than in the recession-plagued quarter just before Obama entered office. And they are 34 percent higher than in the best quarter prior to his taking office, which was the third quarter of 2006.
• Stockholders continue to do quite well under Obama. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was 157 percent higher at the close on July 6 than it was the day Obama took office. Other stock indexes show similarly robust gains. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has more than doubled, rising 122 percent during Obama’s tenure, and the NASDAQ Composite index has tripled, rising 246 percent.

There are negatives though:

---Food Stamps are up 45% since Obama took office
----Home ownership is at its lowest point in 25 years
----Total debt, counting money the government owes to itself, currently stands at nearly $18.2 trillion, up 71 percent under Obama
----US Exports are up 34% under Obama, but he promised to double it when he took office
----American-Russian relations are at Cold-War lows and getting worse
---Wages are stagnant

 

[bocabull]

WHich ones?

Stimulus, GM bailout, Cash for Clunkers, mortgage relief plan, Affordable Care Act, Dodd Frank Financial Reform, removing combat troops from Iraq, Ending Bush tax cuts on top tax brackets, normalizing relations with Cuba, stopping Iran Nuclear development ...

The results? rescued the economy from the worst recession in 80 years, saved the auto industry, rescued the housing market, lowest uninsured rate in 40 years and lowest growth in healthcare costs on record, record increase in household wealth, record GDP, record stock market, record corporate earnings, unemployment below the 50 year average, deficit below the 50 year average ...

Obama inherited a $1.4 trillion deficit in an economy with GDP shrinking 8% and unemployment surging past 10%. Claiming he ran up the debt and caused food stamps to rise is pure 100% fiction. No historian or economist buys that BS.

Massive success. Most consequential and successful President since FDR.

 

[bocabull]

Now why don't you list the successful policies of George W Bush and their results bounce. And before you say "kept you safe" remember the worst terrorist attack in history happened on his watch and his response was to invade the wrong country wasting trillions of $ and costing thousands of young men and woman their lives. He sure as F didn't keep them safe now did he.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

• Iran deal--Too early to tell
• Healthcare--hasn't changed a thing. Lied about costs decreasing. I'm not anti health reform...but the way this went down and the issues it had can hardly be called a victory. Unless by victory you mean he got it passed?
• Ending major wars in Iraq and Afghanistan--I was glad to see the wars end. Still pretty early to see if this is a victory.
• The economy has added nearly 7.9 million jobs, and the unemployment rate is now lower than the historical median. In his last year we finally have more jobs than we did when he took office. You have to account for population growth as well. Same comments on the unemployment rate. If that can be considered a success, then my goodness that is low standards.
• Business establishment start-ups have increased by 20 percent, and the number of job openings is the highest in more than 14 years.Nothing to do with Obama
• U.S. oil production is up 94 percent. Wind and solar power are up 252 percent. U.S. dependency on oil imports is down to the lowest point since the 1970s. Absolutely nothing to do with Obama. Zero. None. Ziltch.
• U.S. oil production is up 94 percent. Wind and solar power are up 252 percent.
• Corporate profits have soared under Obama, smashing all previous records. Zero to do with Obama
• Profits are now running 182 percent higher than in the recession-plagued quarter just before Obama entered office. And they are 34 percent higher than in the best quarter prior to his taking office, which was the third quarter of 2006. Again, it took 8 years to get back to normal numbers. 8.
• Stockholders continue to do quite well under Obama. The Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was 157 percent higher at the close on July 6 than it was the day Obama took office. Other stock indexes show similarly robust gains. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has more than doubled, rising 122 percent during Obama’s tenure, and the NASDAQ Composite index has tripled, rising 246 percent.

Seems liek you listed a lot of things that are too early to be considered victories or are results that have nothing to do with Obama being in office.

Obama didn't inherit a good situation, but he definitely didn't help it and prolonged crap.

Worst of all, he continues to create a divide where ever possible between americans. Whether is it religious, race, gender, class. He sticks his nose in business taht is not his.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

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[SoonerBounce13]

obama has been set up "not to fail". The left couldn't let their dream candidate fail. And they got the media to play along. He could crap on the flag and the media wouldn't care.

 

[bocabull]

Yeah Obama really divides the country. Remember his first year when he did an address to students about how important education was and to encourage them to do their best ... and the right wing hick school districts refused to show it. They formed the tea party to "take back their country" when W had been running up massive deficits and they never said a word. They claimed Obama wasn't born in the USA, claimed he was a socialist, a muslim, claimed he hated the USA, etc.

Yeah it's Obama dividing the country, not the right wing white trash filth who has violently opposed him every day of his administration. Unpatriotic Losers. No different from the fake Benghazi "investigation which is really a smear campaign.

Saying Obama has divided the country is as ignorant as saying he ran up the debt. I can't wait for Hillary to be President after Obama and I hope it makes right wing white trash miserable.

It's not your country and never was.