Self and KU implicated by defense

[mizzOUstu702]

This will be pinned on an assistant coach and nothing will happen to ol' Billy Toupee.

 

[AdaSooner]

LOL!!!

Not only did he know, he’s telling them in order for adidas to continue the exclusive contract with KU, to pay players to come to KU.

Bill Self is calling the shots, telling adidas to buy him players.

If the NCAA doesn’t throw the book at KU and self, they have no right to ever say anything to anyone ever again.

Agreed. I don’t see how Mr. Squeaky Clean can walk away from this unscathed.

Oh, wait! This is KU. All their coach did was agree to pay high profile players to sign with his school. OU’s coach made too many telephone calls. That’s a lot worse than paying recruits to play for you.

 

[WaymanFan]

Let's keep in mind that nothing really happened to us when it became apparent that Tiny Gallon's family financially benefitted from coming to OU. However, the only reason we got a slap-on-the-wrist (since we were still technically on probation for Kelvin's texts) was because of the hiring of Lon Kruger. Since all parties involved with Gallon were gone from the program, this should not be viewed as an apples-apples comparison when dealing with Bill Self. That said, I do remember a lot of college hoops fans posting their displeasure with OU getting off so easy.

I used to work closely with a guy who played major D-I basketball on scholarship. After the Gallon situation became public, I asked him what the chances were that a player or his family was getting paid money and the head coach knew nothing about it. His reply was: "Less than 1%". If my buddy is even close on his percentage, then we have a rather high corruption rate in college hoops, if not all college sports.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Let's keep in mind that nothing really happened to us when it became apparent that Tiny Gallon's family financially benefitted from coming to OU. However, the only reason we got a slap-on-the-wrist (since we were still technically on probation for Kelvin's texts) was because of the hiring of Lon Kruger. Since all parties involved with Gallon were gone from the program, this should not be viewed as an apples-apples comparison when dealing with Bill Self. That said, I do remember a lot of college hoops fans posting their displeasure with OU getting off so easy.

I used to work closely with a guy who played major D-I basketball on scholarship. After the Gallon situation became public, I asked him what the chances were that a player or his family was getting paid money and the head coach knew nothing about it. His reply was: "Less than 1%". If my buddy is even close on his percentage, then we have a rather high corruption rate in college hoops, if not all college sports.

Good points. I guess I don't understand why so many people seem to think that the NCAA is out to get our basketball program. It's not like we ever were banned from the postseason or anything close to it.

As for the KU deal, I think it is way too early to draw any conclusions as to what will happen. I agree that it is highly unlikely that Self didn't know what was going on, but the question is whether the NCAA will have enough evidence to prove it. The texts look bad for KU, but none of them directly show that he authorized payments or knew about them. You can certainly infer that, but I haven't seen anything that I'd consider a smoking gun. Of course, there could still be more info that comes out, so who knows how it will all play out. In the short term, the most interesting decision KU will have to make is whether to play De Sousa now that there is strong evidence that he and/or his guardian received money. Even if KU claims they didn't know about the payment, that would obviously call his eligibility into question.

 

[WTSooner]

Good points. I guess I don't understand why so many people seem to think that the NCAA is out to get our basketball program. It's not like we ever were banned from the postseason or anything close to it.

It's the biggest problem I have with OU fans. They are worse on the football side. EVERYBODY hates OU football, regardless of what the actual facts suggest. Giant chip on our shoulders. I'll never get it.

And I don't give a flip about KU. If we want to put them in their place, that starts on the court.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

It's the biggest problem I have with OU fans. They are worse on the football side. EVERYBODY hates OU football, regardless of what the actual facts suggest. Giant chip on our shoulders. I'll never get it.

And I don't give a flip about KU. If we want to put them in their place, that starts on the court.

I read message boards of several teams other than OU. OU fans are not alone in their paranoia. I am not defending it, as I don't get it either.

As to point number 2, yes. Let's just beat the beaks.

 

[vbdad]

Adidas isn't the first business to send players to KU. Their football ticket scandal was 100% a deal for ticket brokers who also ran AAU teams around the country. They would make money and then send the kids to KU.
It's also well known in college hoops that entire families get moved to Lawrence, Durham and Tuscon when their basketball stars go to college. The coach that told me this said they had tried to figure out how there is anyway this can be done legally with the NCAA. They couldn't figure it out but maybe those three schools are just smarter than the rest.

 

[Darwin]

How can the NCAA not hit every team connected with this. Its the NCAA that decides what is proof and what isn't. There are many many more schools that want the rules followed and they will scream about this.

 

[WaymanFan]

How can the NCAA not hit every team connected with this.

It's called "corruption".

 

[StoopsBros]

 

[coolm]

It's also well known in college hoops that entire families get moved to Lawrence, Durham and Tuscon when their basketball stars go to college. The coach that told me this said they had tried to figure out how there is anyway this can be done legally with the NCAA. They couldn't figure it out but maybe those three schools are just smarter than the rest.

meh, really not that hard to do. everyone likes to be associated with a winner so it's easy to get businesses to extend courtesies. they dont even have to be asked by the school. with about 7 degrees of separation it's relatively safe except by appearance.

 

[sdcloud9]

Adidas isn't the first business to send players to KU. Their football ticket scandal was 100% a deal for ticket brokers who also ran AAU teams around the country. They would make money and then send the kids to KU.
It's also well known in college hoops that entire families get moved to Lawrence, Durham and Tuscon when their basketball stars go to college. The coach that told me this said they had tried to figure out how there is anyway this can be done legally with the NCAA. They couldn't figure it out but maybe those three schools are just smarter than the rest.

The money for moving/living expenses is often provided by an agent/shoe company rep for future representation.

Michael Beasley did this at K-State, his mother moved to Manhattan the year he played. She had no job (she may be able to afford it but I doubt it). The school doesn't have any "knowledge" of it but they know it happens.

Former Duke players Chris Duhon's mother moved to Durham and got a job as a cleaning lady making $100,000 per year for a drug company.

It's a sham and always has been.

 

[hoopsaustin]

Prep schools should be closed down anyways too

 

[CoachTalk]

Trier mom in Arizona as well. Dude was paid well.

But glad he’s doing well for the knicks

 

[NickZepp]

Every one of the schools involved should be in post season bans of at least a year.

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[soonerdanny]

I hope KU gets burned to the ground. F'ing hate that school and those fans.

 

[CobraKai]

The money for moving/living expenses is often provided by an agent/shoe company rep for future representation.

Michael Beasley did this at K-State, his mother moved to Manhattan the year he played. She had no job (she may be able to afford it but I doubt it). The school doesn't have any "knowledge" of it but they know it happens.

Former Duke players Chris Duhon's mother moved to Durham and got a job as a cleaning lady making $100,000 per year for a drug company.

It's a sham and always has been.

I have a family member who played baseball for Texas. Baseball. Not football. Not basketball. Baseball. The day he committed to Texas a Texas Ex at a local Oklahoma company called him and said he needed to come sign his timecards. He said he didn’t. Know what they were talking about and the guy said “Longhorns take care of each other.” He got a paycheck every two weeks his entire senior year of high school and literally never worked 1 minute for this company. He also said that OU and OSU, who also recruited him, did not offer him a nickel. Only Texas.

 

[mict085]

BYU gonna get probation for $12000 given to players. Meanwhile, KU buying players on the open market for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

 

[NickZepp]

BYU gonna get probation for $12000 given to players. Meanwhile, KU buying players on the open market for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

They won't even get looked at even if they paid a billion dollars to players.