Thoughts on the Texas game

[steverocks35]

this factually was not a bad loss .. in any way ..

I knew you wouldn't disappoint!

 

[steverocks35]

He has no choice... He has a serious roster management and talent problem. And that is with NO injuries. Point guards are terrible. OU's point guards combined for 68 minutes yesterday and scored 4 points and had 3 assists. They had more air balls than assists.

His only option is to iso Doolittle and hope it creates something for Manek if he doesn't score himself.

If our talent is that horrific maybe we should run the Princeton offense like Pete Newell did back in the day.

 

[WTSooner]

this factually was not a bad loss .. in any way ..

Losing at home, to a team that will either not make the Dance or will sneak in, when said team has struggled all year and is playing short handed, is, in fact, a bad loss.

The fact that I even have to type that is kind of silly.

Bad loss for OU doesn't have to be bad in terms of the quad system.

 

[TINY]

I think our "offense" is horrible. Iso-ball 99% of the time is just so easy to defend. You have to have superior offensive players (like the NBA) to pull off that sort of gameplan. I don't understand why we don't incorporate motion and ball movement and try to get our guys layups and easy shots.

This is a very fair assessment. Lon is an average bench coach relative to his peers.

 

[TheMont]

Though it may not have been a bad loss by the quad system, it was a bad loss in terms of the eye test. That was the most brutal basketball game I’ve watched in a looooonnng time. So many bricks, airballs, pouting and bone headed mistakes.

Everytime it appears this team has turned a major corner and they have promise, they immediately regress.

Lon’s iso-ball offense is only effective when there is a literal NBA all star on the team.

 

[stormspencer]

More of the latter. The offense wasn't great but definitely wasn't awful. Plenty of the missed threes were good looks, including some from Manek. Manek also fumbled away a couple easy layup opportunities. I know it will be forever lost given the way the game ended and how low scoring it was, but Fran mentioned several times on the broadcast how good a job Lon does finding and exploiting mismatches, and he gave several examples of him doing that very thing last night. I'm sure a lot of people on the board will dismiss that since they refuse to believe that we run any offense, but I'll trust a guy who was a successful D-1 coach, knows the Big 12 better than any other announcer, and is a very well respected basketball mind.

Like you, I thought we had plenty of good looks. However, it seemed like most of our shots were not in rhythm....they were either rushed (when they didn't need to be) or there was slight hesitation (i.e. should I shoot this?). As an example, Doo could've shot at least (3) threes, but hesitated and drove instead. I think this led to lack of confidence once the misses started piling up (not so much for Doo, but definitely for the rest of the team).

 

[skyvue]

Losing at home, to a team that will either not make the Dance or will sneak in, when said team has struggled all year and is playing short handed, is, in fact, a bad loss.

The fact that I even have to type that is kind of silly.

Bad loss for OU doesn't have to be bad in terms of the quad system.

Actually, they haven't struggled all year; they've been on a very good roll of late. Last night was their fifth victory in a row, including a road win over Tech that was no fluke. How they played in December or January didn't factor into last night's game.

We obviously still should have won, but painting them as some crummy, bottom-tier team just isn't accurate.

We shot horribly last night but otherwise played well enough to win. That's of no comfort after a loss like that, of course, but it's good to keep things in perspective. If anyone had told me in advance we were going to hold texas to 52 points, I'd have signed on for that in a heartbeat.

 

[thebigabd]

Actually, they haven't struggled all year; they've been on a very good roll of late. Last night was their fifth victory in a row, including a road win over Tech that was no fluke. How they played in December or January didn't factor into last night's game.

We obviously still should have won, but painting them as some crummy, bottom-tier team just isn't accurate.

We shot horribly last night but otherwise played well enough to win. That's of no comfort after a loss like that, of course, but it's good to keep things in perspective. If anyone had told me in advance we were going to hold texas to 52 points, I'd have signed on for that in a heartbeat.

This.... they have no seniors and it took them awhile to find an identity, but they are a good team. Honestly, I think it was finding Brock Cunninghams role on the team (a freshman) and changing to a warrior mentality was the turning point for UT.

If Shaka continues with that identity they will be just fine, this season and beyond. I saw somewhere they were 3rd in the nation in defensive efficiency over the last 10 games.

They have 3 warriors on their team... we will see if that spreads to the higher rated guys next year.

OU has zero warriors.

 

[cvangild]

Don't "over analyze" this game. We barely lost to a team that has been on a tear...on a night where we could only shoot 2-20 (10%) from the 3 pt. line! If we simply hit our season average (about 33%), the missed free throws wouldn't have even come into play!!

We had a 80% FT shooters miss THREE STRAIGHT free throws to end the game!!! Does anyone even know the statistical chance for that to happen (80% FT shooters to miss 3 consecutive FT's?)

The answer is LESS than 1%!!!! (.20 x .20 x .20) = approximately 1%.

At that point you can call it bad luck!!!

 

[sheepdogs1]

Don't "over analyze" this game. We barely lost to a team that has been on a tear...on a night where we could only shoot 2-20 (10%) from the 3 pt. line! If we simply hit our season average (about 33%), the missed free throws wouldn't have even come into play!!

We had a 80% FT shooters miss THREE STRAIGHT free throws to end the game!!! Does anyone even know the statistical chance for that to happen (80% FT shooters to miss 3 consecutive FT's?)

The answer is LESS than 1%!!!! (.20 x .20 x .20) = approximately 1%.

At that point you can call it bad luck!!!

It's a bit different when the outcome of one shot is related to another shot, dependence. Things such as pressure and game circumstances can easily affect one free throw from another.

 

[steverocks35]

Don't "over analyze" this game. We barely lost to a team that has been on a tear...on a night where we could only shoot 2-20 (10%) from the 3 pt. line! If we simply hit our season average (about 33%), the missed free throws wouldn't have even come into play!!

We had a 80% FT shooters miss THREE STRAIGHT free throws to end the game!!! Does anyone even know the statistical chance for that to happen (80% FT shooters to miss 3 consecutive FT's?)

The answer is LESS than 1%!!!! (.20 x .20 x .20) = approximately 1%.

At that point you can call it bad luck!!!

We scored 51 points at home, tell me more about how we just got unlucky. That’s just making excuses.

 

[cvangild]

We scored 51 points at home, tell me more about how we just got unlucky. That’s just making excuses.

How many times have we shot 10% from the 3 pt line at LNC???

And several of those were wide open!!!

 

[cvangild]

It's a bit different when the outcome of one shot is related to another shot, dependence. Things such as pressure and game circumstances can easily affect one free throw from another.

I agree...so what would you adjust it to?? 10%?? My point is, we win that game under the same scenario 9+ times out of 10.

 

[Max Power]

How many times have we shot 10% from the 3 pt line at LNC???

And several of those were wide open!!!

Not often, but we are like 275 in the nation in 3 point shooting. So we aren’t that good at it

 

[steverocks35]

How many times have we shot 10% from the 3 pt line at LNC???

And several of those were wide open!!!

We were 3-18 from the 3 point line against a horrific William and Mary team at the LNC back in November, so let’s not pretend like this is some amazing phenomenon

 

[WTSooner]

Not often, but we are like 275 in the nation in 3 point shooting. So we aren’t that good at it

Ding, ding, ding!

Oddly enough though, it's also what makes us dangerous. We have a couple of guys that CAN get hot and lead us to victory over much better teams.

But yeah, on average, we don't shoot it well, and we don't do anything else well enough to consistently beat top 25ish type teams.

 

[Soonerinkc]

They are not really focusing on production as they are his frame of mind. That's how I see it.

Yes...mainly state of mind.... but that affects how ya play. Missed his FT late..didn’t get back on def because he’s complaining about a no call..